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Townhall Community Leader/Vans Conference
Remote-release gas fillers (no tab to open em from the outside noted in the pics)
Other than the headlights they look quite sharp, but thos headllights are down-right ugly Neon looking...
-mike
We'll see what they look like in real life, but they appear to be the same bug-eyed kiddie car looking headlights of the neon.
-mike
http://www.iace.com/ia/trooper
Some new stuff looks different to the point of taking time to get used to it. I put the Mercedes headlight treatment in that category; I haven't decided yet whether I find it attractive or not. Personally I'm withholding a decision on the looks of the new Impreza until I see one in 3space. (But I have to admit that I'm trying to come with a way to rationalize trading in my year-old GT on one.)
Cheers,
-wdb
Personally it wouldn't stop me from buying one cause I'm all go, no show type, so if they sold me a pea green WRX with chocolate Brown interior, i'd buy it! (if i had the $)
-mike
As to the Neon reference, I've always liked the "looks" of the Neon - especially the headlights. I've never been impressed with the vehicle per say, but I've always thought it was one of the better looking cars to come out of Detroit in the past ten years.
Bob
Ken
This nostalgy is typically lost on the younger people, which would explain why I absolutely hated the design when I first saw it in the fall of 1995. However, it grew on me (took a couple of years) and now I have one in my garage :-).
I think it's also important to note that all MB vehicles with the circular headlamps also have a smaller circular (inner) foglamp/high beam located next to the low beams - another retro thing, whereas the new Impreza a single circular headlamp on each side. If only North America could get the HID Xenons. Even the VW Beetle is getting this (optional) for MY2001!
The horizontal peanut-shaped design of the new C-class is actually surprisingly good when seen in person. I didn't like it when I saw the pictures, but the actual product turned out much better. Hopefully, I'll have the same impression of the new Impreza. Is it just me, or does the hood look rather plain without the hood scoop?
Drew/aling
Townhall Community Leader/Vans Conference
I'm with Drew on the plain hoods. I'll miss even the non-functional hood scoop. That's something my wife likes on her 99 OB that's no longer on our new Legacy's.
Dennis
They're different, and that takes some getting used to.
Bob
-mike
Ross
HAAAAAAAAA!
-mike
No seriously though, the Oval headlights on the WRX actually are 3-Dimensional and not just straight circles, they blend backwards with the lines of the car like the Mercades as you said.
Plus, they go better with the big round Foglights that we all love :P Everythings anatomically correct now!
Frank
As for the WRX, I'm sure people will buy it anyways, the lines will just be shorter. Also, how much you wanna bet the tuners come out with vinyl stickers for the tops of the headlights that make them look more aggressive?
I liked the hood scoops. With cheap group buys for the turbos, lots of people made them functional.
Borrego seems like an interesting idea, but if they produced it, they'd water it down so much it would look nothing like the concept.
wdb: is it too late to offer my vote of support? The wife could use a quick, stealthy GT-A...
-juice
Bob
The Shadow had good reliability according to Consumer Reports. My first new car was a '95 Neon. Bad car (yeah, I know, first year) and really bad dealer experiences. I read a year or so ago that Automobile regretted naming it COY. They said any minute it felt like something would come apart on the dash. Exactly the way I felt.
Traded the Neon for my 97 OBS. Great car and much better dealer experience.
Dennis
-mike
My friend has owned two, mostly out of necessity, because they kept falling apart. His turbo was fast when it was running.
-juice
Im driving my moms old car now ('92 Achieva), after she bought her '00 Legacy GT Limited Sedan (white w/ spoiler). I miss the LeBarron even though the Achieva is a 3.3l V6, cause it handles like crap...
The best American small car in decades though is definatly the Focus. Cant wait to see the Focus-RS when it comes out...
At least you can look forward to that GT eventually. Hey - tell your mom to get the turbo or H6 model when those come out, then you keep the GT...
-juice
That whole platform blows. Actually, I think the newer one does too (Malibu etc). GM has yet to figure out they need to do something about torque steer if they want to keep building FWD cars. I never drove a FORD FWD model that pulled as badly as the half dozen or so Cavaliers, Luminas, etc. I have driven.
In most cases we took turns driving each car.
-juice
Why no torque steer with Subarus -- longitudinal engine? Maybe they should turn the Cadillac over to the Subaru engineers. In fact, maybe GM should turn the WHOLE COMPANY over to Subaru.
Our AWD cars will still get the weight transfer. But since (5spd) is 50/50 power bias so there's power at the rear anyways so the car just scoots. But I've lighted all 4 of my tires for a very brief second once. I accidentally dumped the clutch at 6000 rpm and it hit the rev limiter. Tires screeched for a blink of an eye and the car takes off. Not good for tranny. But loads fun.
The suspension also plays a very large role but that's not as easy to explain. I'll wimp out and have you trust me, or ask someone else to take up the gauntlet.
Anyway, Subaru has addressed both. ;-)
-Colin
Dennis
Even the Passat has torque steer, though VW hypes the "virtual axis" front suspension.
Put simply, you're simply asking the front wheels to do too much! Carry 60% of the weight, steer, and oh, by the way, apply torque to the pavement at the same time!
Soobs divide the traction duties, and the weight distribution is better to boot.
-juice
-mike
Besides just having the 5th recall (the largest yet!) for the Escape, it's now reported that the all-new OHC 4.6 alloy block V-8, scheduled for the soon to be released 2002 Explorer 4-door has been delayed due to problems.
Will it ever end??
Bob
http://www.blueovalnews.com/
For the weight of the vehicle and the size of the tires, it shouldn't have the torque steer problem that it does if it were engineered properly. A better solution though would be RWD.
-Colin
Bob
Anyway, theres this zig-zag on a 4 lane road I go on every day (S curve, 35mph, very tight) and the Achieva goes about 50-55 before it starts seriously peeling out and the front of the car starts to give away (its really scary too, the opposite of fishtailing) while the '00 Legacy can go about 60 without peeling out.
However, the Legacy is seriously out-powered by the achieva (3.3 V6 vs. 2.5 H4) which I could easily beat a stock RS with (And these civics just love challenging me, and I just play along staying right next to them without even trying... its hilarious). The Legacy has this really nasty "stall" thing it does when accellerating from a stop (Its impossible to peel out with...), but its got good enough umph when accellerating when your already moving for sure... Anyone notice how funky the steering wheels position is though? You just cant get close enough without seriously bending your legs (im 5'10"), its hard to get in a good brasive posture... (the slick leather and flatness of the seat backs dont help)
Dont get me wrong, the Legacy is a damn good car, in fact, I got a little to close to a curbing while parking and the car just hopped right up without hesitation (!) like it wasnt even there... I still like the RS better, and cant wait for the new Impreza line...
I believe the stalling you're referring has to do with the AWD drivetrain. There is more mechanical resistance in sending power to four wheels, and so it takes more to get it going. Once on the move, you hardly notice.
Try the tilt wheel feature if you haven't. Can't help with the leather - that's why I choose cloth.
Bob: I'm surprised. The mod V8 has been in the Crown Vic for years, and it's been quite reliable. Ford seems to be in a down cycle.
-juice
I love Blue Oval News!
-mike
Dennis
The Explorer/Firestone controversy that seemed to ignite the current flamefest aimed at Ford is being scrutinized by people looking at hard numbers. Those numbers indicate some interesting things, such as the fact that the failure rate of the tires can be pinpointed to a particular factory and even a particular time period. Those numbers also indicate that the death rate in Explorers is 28 percent BELOW the national average for all vehicles combined.
Of course the damage is already done, and the fear mongers and the media outlets that sell advertising by catering to their cravings have already made their money on the basis of such questionable statistics and Naderesque, kill-the-Corvair, hatchet-job tactics. Now they are looking for the next hatchet target. Shame on us for feeding that awful machine, because it is aimed right at us.
-wdb
Ross
-mike
You don't know the agony that many of us on here have been through with various Fords...
-mike