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2010-2011 Buick LaCrosse

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  • e_net_ridere_net_rider Member Posts: 1,380
    It is likely that adjustable capacitor still exists which allowed tuning the antenna to the front end of the receiver. A bad SWR, standing wave ratio, is not only detrimental to a transmitter, it causes loss in signal strength for reception.
    Although I've never seen one, it is my understanding that some now use equipment, a circuit, that automatically tunes that connection. It could still go bad, which if it exists would mean replacing radio unit.
    Also culpible if you have such a mismatch, a bad antenna, a bad connecting cable, or a poor connection of the cable at either end.
  • e_net_ridere_net_rider Member Posts: 1,380
    There are certainly issues with following a developing specification. Some companies read the specification to mean something different or add some of their own protocols and don't resubmit to the certification committee for approval.
    Such is also true of USB. When USB 2 came out, it is a part of the requirements standard that the shielding be connected from one connection to the next and grounded. Most ignored, or missed, that slight change in the physical wiring requirements. Hopefully it will all be straightened out now that USB3 is released and making its way into computers. But I won't bet on it.

    My Verizon with Malibu will maintain a connection when the car is shut off so that I can continue a conversation. I have opened the phone prior to opening door and continued the conversation on the phone.
    I have not noticed if there is a BT connection interferring with phone use in the proximity of auto. I do know that it shows me that it is connecting and connected in auto after turning the key.
  • e_net_ridere_net_rider Member Posts: 1,380
    I have seen about a half dozen of them, but most were older with tall windows side rear.
  • e_net_ridere_net_rider Member Posts: 1,380
    Any part of the steel power steering line touching the body or another component that can transmit sound to the cabin needs to be eliminated. The line should be held by rubber, clamps that are lined with rubber, etc. and not press hard against the rubber. Contact of rubber hoses to parts that might transmit the sound into the vehicle need to be kept to a minimum.
    If from steering gear, I believe this is a rack and pinion and the rack may not be sufficiently isolated from the body. Some are mounted to firewall with large rubber isolators. And then there is the mechanical connection between rack and steering wheel. Hopefully there is a rubber isolator in the connection of shaft before entering cabin.
    And it could also be following the tie rod ends out of the rack and transferring to something from there.
  • e_net_ridere_net_rider Member Posts: 1,380
    Run up on this again, and I'd be sick too.
    The guy had lost his parents in a car wreck when he was little. His aunt had raised him, a bit spoiled. For graduation he was bought a new Demon. It was performance, but don't remember if it was 340 six pack or bigger engine. He totaled it in about two weeks. That is when she bought him the Yenko. It was sort of an emerald green with all of the appropriate striping and emblems, and it shined like an emerald.
    Upon destroying it he got a Hemi Bee, which lasted him about six months. That one almost killed him. Not sure if his aunt cut him off but after that it was used cars, no muscle.
  • waytoolaidbackwaytoolaidback Member Posts: 3
    Seems like they have a big problem with the tranny! Our 2010 is in the shop with tranny problem and we've only had it a few months. Its been in the shop for thee weeks now awaiting parts that seem to come each time with missing parts in the order claims the service manager. They are paying for my rental but that doesnt cut it for me. Today i called buick customer service and I expect to hear back from my district rep by monday. GM has to know about this problem, and they should issue a recall because something is terribly wrong. Our problem started with the car idling a little high and i let that go but a few days later it didnt want to shift into gear. Finally shifted into gear and heard a loud noise but it drove ok after that. The check egine light came on and onstar reps said it was a transmission code. Took it to the dealer that day and they have been trying to fix it since then. Im pretty fed up but what can you do? Hopefully this District rep tells me something positive. How can you sale cars and know that there will be problems within 2000 miles of leaving the lot. I normally by BMW's but thought i'd give the Buick a chance since it was so nice inside and out, I will not let GM lure me in like that again. UPDATE TO COME!
  • crankeeecrankeee Member Posts: 298
    Rider: We have the 2010 CXL and we also saw the GM data specs that said 2010 CXL and CXS models had the H-arm rear suspension. The tell to my eye is the cast aluminum or cast iron H shaped member that suspends the wheel hub. The piece is black painted and very heavy in appearance and shows evidence of grinding on cast edges to deburr the sharp casting overflow I believe. I agree with your comment that the CX had standard 4-link and all CXL models had H-arm to accommodate those models made with AWD and CXS models with sport/touring setup - just my opinion. Their is probably a code in the system that confirms H-arm suspension so the techs know what they are working on. I do not have a shop manual yet, so maybe Mariah in customer service at GM can help clear up how to tell for sure. hope this helps rather than muddying up the water! Car handles great on the road that is the key to us.
  • crankeeecrankeee Member Posts: 298
    I read this blog routinely to get actual experiences that relate to our 2010 Lacrosse CXL with 3.0L and AT-6. I must admit, this is the ONLY post I have read about transmission problem(s) with the new 6-speed in the Lacrosse. I believe it is the joint effort of at least Ford and GM, and has actually been around before in other models. I certainly hope we all don't have the same type catastrophic problem.
    Much more serious than the poster with the visor defect that was causing him to sell his new Lacrosse. Good luck with your solution.
  • e_net_ridere_net_rider Member Posts: 1,380
    That is terrible. Sorry to hear of such.
    Did you at anytime ever check the fluid level in the tranny?
    You can only hope it was checked by dealer during prep. But the damage may have already been done if it was run up with fluid low. I suspect but don't know that the engine and tranny have already been mated before reaching the final assembly plant. At some point after testing the tranny build, it and a torque converter will be mounted to engine. The converter bolts to the engine and then the transmission so fluid has to be added after assembled. It is certainly possible that something went wrong at that step.
    And since it sounds like major problem with all the parts needed, I'd insist on a factory new tranny at least.
    Many dealers do not have all the necessary equipment to rebuild or the test bed to check it prior to install. So they order factory new or rebuilds, or shlep it to a local tranny shop.
  • e_net_ridere_net_rider Member Posts: 1,380
    Every picture I've found of an H-arm, none on LaX, have two connection points inboard and two outboard at the hub area, one on each arm for inner and outer.
    Found picture of Lambo and learned a bit of their high tech. They have at each of the outboard connection points a shock and coil spring assembly(might be called a strut). That is two of these per rear wheel.
    Nearly all were of tubular or box steel welded in shape of H.
  • cooleyddcooleydd Member Posts: 105
    This is in the brochure on the 2010 Lacrosse for the CXS.

    "Driver Confidence Package Includes Side Blind Zone
    Alert, articulating xenon HID headlamps and HUD"

    I have the articulating xenon HID headlamps and HUD BUT NO Side Blind Zone Alert. The above indicates it comes in the package. Has anyone attempted to get the alert when it dfid not come with the car. Seems if we paid for it in the package - we should have it - a would assume it is wired for the Alert.

    Is there anyway that we can get after GM for not hainvg it in our car when the package was included? It is definately a safety item and should of been there.
  • e_net_ridere_net_rider Member Posts: 1,380
    Do you have the window sticker?
    What is the date of the printing on the 2010 brochure. I had one from early in the year, but it did not list each model or options per model. I have the 2011 that does.

    I do not know at what point the Driver Confidence package became available, that is by name or grouping of components. I do remember that HID and HUD were listed as separate items on one I drove possibly around July. I don't remember it saying anything about the blind spot alert, but it did have the directional light on mirror. I remember that because it was not what I expected. I have seen some vehicles where it was on the mirror glass and when activated it appeared as a bright red led arrow. I was told that it was the first vehicle that they received with that and since it was a 2010 I suspect there was a mid model year change. Whether it was intended from the beginning of the new LaX and that area could not meet production time or it was an after thought and they thought it such a good one they decided to incorporate it immediately, I can only guess.

    As sales have improved it seems they took some items that were standard on a model and turned them into an option or option package and thus more money.
    I wish you luck in getting it straight.

    If GM had not agreed to buy back Malibu, I'd be dancing on some heads. It is not the reason of doing buy back, but they'd owe me a set of touring tires listed on window sticker but not on vehicle.

    I'd say first step is find out if a major production wiring harness change was needed to incorporate or if it only needs added wiring. Over in the GM forums, you should be able to find someone who can give you the production code that indicates the alert. These are 3 letter/numeral codes and can be found somewhere on your vehicle. Sometimes on a sticker inside the glovebox, the trunk, or spare tire well.If you have the code for it then it would be quite interesting. And if it was on the window sticker, I'd say you are well on your way to having a car identical to yours plus the missing equipment.
  • newroadnewroad Member Posts: 1
    I also have the touring package, and must admit- the rims look amazing on this car and the ride is extremely smooth. My wife had the low profiles on her E350 and yes they are easily damaged if you are a rough driver (she is) However you can find replacements on line for a quarter of the price, which we did. I am sure the tires on this car can easily be located online as well.

    Good Luck
  • e_net_ridere_net_rider Member Posts: 1,380
    There has been some talk about replacing 19" with 18" on touring package.
    I have to wonder how that might effect a specially tuned suspension which was likely calibrated for the 19".

    And since touring is now available on CXL it would likely be noisier than on CXS because it would not get the hyper-strut that is supposed to give better control and quieter ride.
  • poodog13poodog13 Member Posts: 320
    Let's hope they do downsize the wheels. I hate the fact that wheels keep getting bigger and bigger, which only means that tires have less and less rubber and get more and more expensive to replace.
  • gfieldlacrossegfieldlacrosse Member Posts: 14
    Mariah,
    I have read a variety of posts re: problems with memory seats. I have a 2011 CXS, with a similar memory seat issue. I am the only driver, and I always use the keyless entry (remote stays in my purse). I have memory seat 1 programmed for my preferences, and I do not use the easy exit feature. Thus, there is no reason for the seat to ever move. It does not move when I turn the car off and exit the vehicle, but somewhere between 25-50% of the time, the seat moves all the way back when I open the driver's door. It does not matter whether the car has been locked or unlocked - it happens (sometimes) either way. I then have to hit #1 to get the seat back to my set position. Why is it doing this??? I have tried the "return to factory settings", and reprogrammed everything - this has not helped. My dealership has never heard of the problem. This (or something close to it) seems to be a widely known issue among owners - what is GM/Buick doing about it? Is there a fix??
    Thank you!
  • gfieldlacrossegfieldlacrosse Member Posts: 14
    To clarify - this only happens when I am approaching the car and opening the door to get in - never when I have shut the car off and am getting out.
  • kjs8kjs8 Member Posts: 53
    Mariah: Please include me in on that question. I have a 2010 CXS delivered in January and have had the problem since new. My neighbor just took delivery last week on the new 2011 which has exactly the same problem as my 2010. I am single so only one remote is used and 50% of the time the seat returns when unlocked and 50% it does not. Dealer has no info form GM on how to actual fix the defect, only words that we are using the wrong remote or not programing correctly but see he he can't get it to work either. We have no recorce than to live with this issue?
  • ppirsigppirsig Member Posts: 4
    Take a look at post #757 from coollydd: "I took my Lacrosse in to check the seat module (works correctly about half the time). Dealer said there was a new module and they ordered it. The module number that was installed was part # 1 13577747. I tried to find out if this was just a same replacement of the original module or an entirely new one (as they previously indicated). No one had an answer. Maybe someone here can answer."

    My dealer ordered and installed the same new part (1 3577747). So far the seat works correctly; that is, when I unlock and then open the driver's door, the seat consistantly returns to its memorized position.
  • kjs8kjs8 Member Posts: 53
    My dealer said that that was a trial part and he had no authorization to install it. You would think that the seats in a 2011 model would have the fix incorporated, but it doesn't work either.
  • bwiabwia Member Posts: 2,913
    edited September 2010
    I just rented a Cadillac CTS all-wheel drive until Saturday (my 2011 CXS was violated in a parking garage.) Wow! What a phenomenal car. Fast, smooth, nimble handling and the size is just right. I wish I had looked at the CTS before I bought the Lacrosse because the ergonomics is just so much better in the Caddy than in the Buick. No visibility or blind spot problems and the arm rest is perfect and soft touch. Front and rear visibility are panoramic and endless...not so for the Lacrosse as we all know. if the Lacrosse's blind spots were eliminated it would rival the CTS.

    The rental has no GPS but it has OnStar and XM radio. What impresses me most are the seats and driving dynamics. The seat hugs your body preventing lateral movement and driving in manumatic mode is as close to a manual as one can get. Unlike the Lacrosse that downshifts with the slightest easing off the gas pedal the CTS holds the desired gear until you depress the brakes.

    Not sure what kind of engine is under the hood but all I know it uses regular gas. One obvious demerit; the quality of the materials are so-so. Hard plastics are everywhere and they seem to scoff easily.

    In short, this is a great car at $34.99 per day. So my question is, how does Enterprise Rent a Car make money renting a $100/day car for $35?

    -
  • e_net_ridere_net_rider Member Posts: 1,380
    Perhaps you might get a hint of what is going on with part numbers by going to GM Parts Direct or RockAuto parts sites. Look up your vehicle and part and see if superseding of part numbers has occurred. Also comparing to previous year might give some insight.
    Unfortunately it is beyond services capability to control what GM decides about parts. It could be like Ford and the phenolic ring gears in differentials. They were lighter weight but also wore out much faster, some failing with less than 10K. Even though they figured out it was a bad decision and decided to revert to steel, a friend who had his in for multiple replacements was told that they needed to use up the phenolics in the parts system before they could get the steel. And the first ones being produced went to production line.
  • ppirsigppirsig Member Posts: 4
    Methinks your dealer is not only blowing smoke up your seat, he/she is full of [non-permissible content removed] :lemon:
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  • kjs8kjs8 Member Posts: 53
    Ok, so I have had smoke blown on the seat fix. So why would a new 2011 have the same performance problem if a module is avaliable.
  • cooleyddcooleydd Member Posts: 105
    Maybe not. Perhaps your dealer was correct in that it was a Beta and was out for testing. Since the testing may not have been completed they do not want to install on the 2011 models. I am not sure if the repair was simply a programming or a installation of some parts. From the comments I had from the dealer I believe that it was more than just programming but they had to install some parts.
  • bwiabwia Member Posts: 2,913
    Okay, okay, so I agree I need driving lessons but would you believe I banged my CXS into a parking garage pillar? And to make it worse the garage was empty at the time. Here is how it went down.

    I came to work early as usual and staked out a parking spot close to the elevator. Then I proceeded to reverse into the spot relying solely on my backup camera. The camera is suppose to flash a yellow warning light and beep a warning sound when getting too close to an object and a flashing red light when really close. But for some reason the impact and warnings came at the same time. Result? A huge dent on my spanking brand new car. And the worst part, my insurance might not pay for self inflicted damage.
  • tom2246tom2246 Member Posts: 29
    The same reason they have made defective magnetic steering assist packages since the car came on the market. Poor Quality Control of subcontaractors.
  • e_net_ridere_net_rider Member Posts: 1,380
    I had read that it is called "Magna-steer". I had that on 96 Olds Aurora and no problems. Unless they have changed function, it is not a power boost. At low speeds or parked, it does nothing. Its function is dependent upon vehicle speed and the faster you are the more power it feeds to electo-magnet.
  • e_net_ridere_net_rider Member Posts: 1,380
    Thanks for the warning. It looks like we might need to check how well ours works. Were you moving too fast for the sytem? Is yours poorly aimed? That is does it follow the tracks shown on display?
  • e_net_ridere_net_rider Member Posts: 1,380
    You know what a wheel on a train looks like? Big heavy steel that supports many tons of weight. A [non-permissible content removed] engineer poked fun as to why our trains were so much slower than theirs. He said something like, "Our engineering was flawed. There is a lot of mass in those wheels and half of it is going the wrong direction." That would be the top half and guessing he worked on Mag_LEV trains.

    A wider tire most often gives better traction. Lower sidewall will give better control, both laterally and radially.
    Although the current wide adoption may have something to do with appearance for selling, it also has function. That is I certainly hope they did not willy nilly just decide to change tire size with the touring package.
    I've considered that this might be an early stage of moving toward a run-flat tire on all vehicles. Or one filled with some sort of foam and never needs pressure adjustments. And that the science for such is not yet perfected.
    But then we have some roads that are filled with holes. Especially in freeze areas and that likely will not change until they come up with a better material for paving.
    When in a construction zone where you may have to move from a higher newly paved to the other lane that is lower, I will certainly slow down much more. As low as the profile is, the rim of the wheel might contact pavement.
    Another general rule applying to auto design is, the higher the ratio of sprung to un-sprung weight, the better the ride. Aluminum wheels is a start. Aluminum H-arms in the rear also helps. Cross drilled rotors, just to shave a bit of weight and improve stopping power, might become standard in the future.
  • e_net_ridere_net_rider Member Posts: 1,380
    I certainly hope the fix enables a momentary contact of seat position buttons.
    I plan on going to dealer and looking at my new one. Paperwork probably won't be finished until next Tuesday, but maybe I'll be able to check a couple of these issues that occur and post back.
  • adpcsadpcs Member Posts: 59
    The title says most of it. She likes the way it looks and the way it "rides", but she can't stand driving the car. She is 5 foot and cannot see around the "blind" spots on the left pillar of the car. Does anyone have any suggestions to help eliminate these? I have gotten used to them ( and do agree that they are not the best design)...I love the car, and i am the primary driver of it (just crossed 8000 miles), but she does need to drive it sometimes. She is ready for me to trade it in...
    :-(

    Thanks
  • rainman5542rainman5542 Member Posts: 114
    I decided the other positives out weighed the visibility issue for me. I am very adept at using ALL my mirrors and am not often in dense urban traffic. I also am not a frequent lane changer. With blind side assist, I can live with the design. Not everyone can and suggest you trade once you can. Let HER also test drive the next car. Good luck.
  • rainman5542rainman5542 Member Posts: 114
    Use of the pejorative, "[non-permissible content removed]" isn't appropriate. The Engineer was either Japanese or might even be fine with the adjective "Asian" (Oriental is a term for rugs). Hope its use was simple ignorance and not bigotry.

    PS. I'm Dutch
  • ppirsigppirsig Member Posts: 4
    This is what appears on my invoice for the work performed on my CSX:

    Scanner tested no codes. Has most up to date program. No bulletins found. Called tac case # 71-863207672. Performed PI0187 and pit 4913b. Car has passive memory normal operation. Ordered new memory seat module for PI0187, part # 1 13577747 F-Module. Performed bulletin 2508001 tac case # 71-863207672. Replaced memory seat module and programmed code a8762.

    The fix is now acknowledged by GM. See Car Issues - Fix it right the first time
    here.
  • rainman5542rainman5542 Member Posts: 114
    My own experience and my reading of posts here, makes me reach an inescapable conclusion: many (GM) dealers are both ignorant and apathetic.

    I stopped by Shelton Buick, Rochester , MI today.

    I asked two questions:

    1. Should cruise control allow a variation of up to 5 mph if roads have inclines? Answer: Yes. I conceded this is GM Engineering's issue if its true that there is no adjustment. My Mercedes E350 held speed inside a 2mph variance.

    2. On level roads, cruise set to 75, tires at 35#, windows shut, is 24.5 mpg acceptable when others report 29-30 under the SAME conditions and with the SAME engine? Answer: "If the engine is running correctly, then 24.5 is acceptable. Seems to me a catch 22. They have no interest in looking, diagnosing or helping.

    I raised two issues:

    1. My Blackberry Storrn 2 / Verizon is a tested and approved phone. I just left the Verizon store and they confirmed that the phone is properly updated with OS and service books. The GM website confirms I should be able to d/l my contacts to the car. Can you check my car?
    Answer: "That's something you should check with your salesmen". I asked if the salesmen get technical training on Bluetooth. No response. Dealer won't touch it.

    2. I have a clanging banging noise immediately after start. On this forum I read that GM knows this and in at least one case replaced an entire exhaust system. Are there any technical bulletins or have you run into this before. "No Sir, why don't you leave the car and maybe we can hear it doing it ourselves."

    Both Mariah and a Buick regional customer service agent have pursued the Bluetooth issue. After several emails, its clear there is no expertise. I am working with messengers who do not have even basic understanding of what pairing a phone means. In my last call with the agent, she closed the call with "Thank you for buying CADILLAC" !!! Enough said.

    I bought this car at Suburban in Troy. I will go there and try to get my two issues resolved. I hold little hope based on earlier experiences there.
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,014
    The cellphone industry (both on the technology and sales sides) is nothing more than a cesspool of broken promises and hype that fails to deliver the promises made, IMO. I can understand why dealers tend to shy away from things like Bluetooth issues since nobody really understands it and there is no way to confirm how and why this stuff is supposed to work from an engineering viewpoint.

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6

  • e_net_ridere_net_rider Member Posts: 1,380
    5'8" and I also noticed it. I'm hoping the blind spot system covers it.
    I had come across some hint of movable pedals, maybe they were available in earlier years. Moving farther back would narrow the degrees of vision blocked.
    Blind spot problems have repeatedly popped up over the years at many locations
    Not the first time it was located here.
    I would think that is considered in design because of the number of times it has happened. Yet, here it is again.
    They may have been concentrating on pillar strength and rollover protection while trying to keep weight down.
    Maybe adjusting seat higher or lower than she normally would can help reduce the size of the most critical area. And when at a stop sign, take an extra moment looking to make sure nothing is hidden by the pillar.
    I got bitten by the R/S windshield pillar on a Malibu a few months back. I did my usual L, R, L look and started to pull away and from the corner of my eye I caught the vehicle coming. It was like he just suddenly appeared. Although not fast at that point, he may have came up the far side of the hill fast and did not slow until he approached the intersection. Or he may have been somewhat camoflauged by lighting and colors. I now take a more cautiou check to that side.

    I hope your wife can find a way to cope with the situation. Be patient and supportive toward learning a new vehicle.
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,014
    I think a lot of visibility issues in todays car designs are driven by style considerations as much as anything, though claiming that thick pillars are needed for safety regulations are a nice excuse. When I owned my Olds Intrigue one of the things I liked about it was the large, airy greenhouse. My '09 Buick is based on the same platform but offers less visibility due to a higher beltline and dash. Hondas of the 90s were known for their low cowls and beltlines and large window areas that resulted from that. The gunslot window fad that started (I think) with the Chrysler 300 has now carried forward to a lot of other vehicles and poor visibility is what results. I wish some manufacturer would go back to the low-cowl look.

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6

  • e_net_ridere_net_rider Member Posts: 1,380
    edited October 2010
    Although Merriam Webster says it is short for Japanese and "usually" has negative connotations, did you see such in my usage?
    My thought of it was he showed intellect in his thinking.
    Many of my older Marine friends still commonly use [non-permissible content removed]. No matter what word you used to describe those on the other side during WWII, it likely had negative connotations, including Japanese. And today, despite bad memories, they probably think of them as valiant warriors, unlike some from western Europe.
    Definitions of a word are derived from usuage, so what a word meant 50 or 100 years ago may have no relevance. The [non-permissible content removed], ie Japanese, people of Japan, were hated by many at that time. War is hell. (I wonder if the Chinese or other Oriental people have been so forgiving.) (look up Orient and Asian in Webster, check all definitions)
    And watch out for that fringe lunatic PC group. They might ban the use of "Dutch".
    I welcome discussion, but this is so far off topic it needs to be taken elsewhere.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,595
    >I welcome discussion, but this is so far off topic it needs to be taken elsewhere.

    Amen. I grow tired of the PC group that want to tell everyone else what and how to do.

    Taking things off topic to "correct" someone else is a waste.

    If I want PC poliltics, I'll watch the mainstream media and let them guide my life and my money they tax away for their PC uses.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • e_net_ridere_net_rider Member Posts: 1,380
    Anything that happens to body probably has to pass the style police. They have likely stopped some very functional designs.
    I'm hoping that I can deal with the wide pillar as I did in the Olds Aurora. The sheet metal in that vehicle was extra thick, thus heavy, and it was a 4-door hardtop so it needed extra support at the roof pillars for rollover protection.
    Although Lacrosse is not a hardtop, the extra slope to windshield certainly needs consideration. Hopefully that was done for aerodynamics.
    Pound for pound, steel is much stronger than glass and probably cheaper. They are nearing the maximum steel removal to lower weight to the point that the windshield and rear window are now figured into roof strength. Hence the newer adhesives to ensure the glass adheres to the steel. Moving to less glass further reduces weight and can aid in crash protection. Adding that extra layer of plastics to the glass and dubbing it acoustic probably improved its characteristics during a crash. And some of the plastic may have replaced some of the glass, thus lighter.
    I forget which manufacturer, but there were ads touting their system which detected the likelihood of a crash and automatically closed the windows. Glass in hole versus air should make it stronger.
  • crankeeecrankeee Member Posts: 298
    Operative words are "hate" and "your car". Sounds like a poor selling job and not
    by the salesman IMO. My wife is 5'4" and I am 6'1"- power seats accomodate both of us after adjustment (no memory we use our own). Raising seat up or down changes angle to the piller somewhat and all newer cars have beefed up pillers for rollover standards. We find the mirrors to be oversized (SUV like) and when adjusted (again by us) the view is good down the car side and back down the road. Our 2010 CXL has many options and also the 18" wheels that allow for the 235x50 VR 18" HX Michelin Sport radials with feedback on major bumps only. The Bluetooth works great with current generation cell phones that paired easily and work as designed with some operator training.
    Fuel mileage is 29 at 70-75 and drops to 27.5-28.3 at 80+.
    Conclusion: Vehicle operates as designed once we "learned" the particulars of
    "her" car that she wanted and knows how to operate. I get to drive on trips(only).
    BTW - My car now is her old Bonneville - same piller type, no Bluetooth.
    Enjoy your new car and buy the wife something she wants. HA! Life is good - at times.
  • rainman5542rainman5542 Member Posts: 114
    I don't recall my comments as injecting WW II. Many informed people, Japanese and others, find the term insulting. You and your buddies are free to rationalize otherwise.
  • e_net_ridere_net_rider Member Posts: 1,380
    And yet he persists after I asked him to take it elsewhere, such as private email through forum.
    He is so "informed", yet he says he is "Dutch". I can not help but wonder if that was the pejorative.
    I will not apologize for proper use of a word because history shows the results. Even though a word may only sound like another word that is used by them, they will crucify you using the apology as an admission of guilt.
    To lump [non-permissible content removed] with Asian could be insulting to many from that part of the world. The Japanese like to think of themselves as quite independant from the mainland. And those from the mainland think of the Japanese very differently. Some of this may be feelings passed from WWII and the atrocities inflicted upon many groups of people on the mainland. That is not today, yet if you were "informed" you would understand the deep concerns Japan has concerning N Korea and China.
    Being pejorative depends upon what or how you say something.
    Any further discussion in this group will be ignorant.
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Administrator Posts: 11,241
    Any further discussion of that topic within this thread will be removed. That should be the end of it.

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