1963-1964 Cadillacs

euphonium

Re: The White Cad in WA, which is further from you than Cuba.

parm

Ut oh! Yesterday, we signed the agreement papers for a new house. Somebody please tell me, is this a good thing or bad? :P

Mr_Shiftright

One never knows....it could start out good, then get bad...or start out bad, then get good....it's better not to project into a future that hasn't even happened yet.

As with cars, you work with what's in front of you (presuming one is seeing clearly) and yer takes yer chances. :P

euphonium

Wife person got what she wants & that is the Genesis of a Good Thing. Why?
It staves off tension resulting in a divorce. "Happy Wife, Happy Life"

Several friends have endured divorce and came out financially distraught taking them until they were over 72 working to make up for the lost community property.

Real Estate will appreciate, assuming you bought it right and are there for the long haul.

Thus, you really did make the correct business decision. Congratulations!

parm

Divorce takes a financial toll? Amen to that! I've been through one (and my last) divorce. Gee, a new house for her or a collector Cadilac for me???? I think I made the "politically correct" decision. But, don't count me out yet. I still have "this" house to sell and I'll price it right, believe me. Perhaps the proceeds from the sale of this house can be put to "good" use???? LOL!

euphonium

"Why is a divorce so expensive?" Because it is worth it!

berri

,,,and because lawyers make doctors and dentists look cheap!

lokki

http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/1026061195.html

parm

That one isn't quite my cup of tea. I'm looking for something that's pretty much bone stock. But, thanks for the "heads up". Keep'em coming!!!

parm

http://www.hemmings.com/users/158490/ride/1997.html

I'm not making a play for this one and I don't even know if it's for sale, but I think it's an interesting look. The owner put on some modified rear fender skirts in order show off the Torque Thrusts. I normally look the other way when I see a Cadillac that's been "tarted up", but this one doesn't offend me - probably because the deviation from stock is pretty subtle. Actually, I think it's kind of cool.

A bone stock '64 Deville convertible in similar condition is probably worth around $20,000 (anyone with a different opinion?). What's this one worth? The speakers under the front dash are disturbing to me. Hopefully, nothing was cut to make that happen.

Let the debate begin . . . . . . .

andre1969

Normally I'm not crazy about customized cars, but I do like that one. I kinda like those modified fender skirts. Don't really care for the radio in the glovebox, but that probably kept him from butchering the dash.

Those front speakers might not have done too much damage, depending on how they're attached to the dash above. Looks like the only real damage was to the glovebox liner. I dunno how hard it would be to find a replacement these days.

Mr_Shiftright

I'd say that since the color is not a good one, and that it's been customized somewhat, that in today's market about $17.5K seems right.

fintail

From a first impression I don't care for it. I don't love the color, and I think customizing a luxury car can be very dangerous. Although for that one I guess it would be easy to make it original again.

euphonium

Bile Green is not my favorite color.

Metallic Dark Red with a White top and Mexican hat wheel covers would help. The wheels look very out of place.

The modified skirts do look good.

fintail

I saw this unrestored car in a parking lot a couple years ago, and I took a pic with my phone....good color

Mr_Shiftright

Cadillac converts of that era look best in gold and silver metallics IMO. I don't think the ragtop looks good in black. White is neutral, red is not so good--looks like a fire engine. A light blue or green metallic is okay. These are "glittery" cars---they should glitter all over.

isellhondas

My opinion for what it's worth.

I wouldn't buy that for 5000.00!

andre1969

Cadillac converts of that era look best in gold and silver metallics IMO. I don't think the ragtop looks good in black. White is neutral, red is not so good--looks like a fire engine. A light blue or green metallic is okay. These are "glittery" cars---they should glitter all over.

I think my favorite color would be one of those light, silvery greens or blues. I actually don't like silver on those older cars, because I think that it clashes kinda funny with the chrome, and just doesn't look right. Plus, IMO at least, they really didn't do silver very well in those days..it seemed kinda weak and shallow in those days, like a Coors beer can.

As for red, I don't think a 60's Caddy would look good in just a normal, non-metallic red. It worked on cars like my '57 DeSoto or '85 Silverado, because those two are two-toned...white roof and lower body accent. I guess a white convertible top might help dilute some of that red on a Caddy, but it's still too much. And two-toning was out by the 60's, so there wasn't that option to help tone it down. I think a deeper metallic red or burgundy/wine color would be nice, though.

Mr_Shiftright

Yes I see your point about silver. And burgundy, while an "old-fashioned" color, might look okay. But dark colors make the car look massive, and kind of hides those sharp edges (which are attractive).

andre1969

Ooh, I just thought of another color that might look nice. Midnight blue, either metallic or non-metallic. It's an expensive-looking color that would look good on a Cadillac, and I think would look great with a white interior and white top.

And I know this is gonna turn your stomach, Shifty, but I think one of those pale purplish/lilac colors, like that "Evening Orchid", or whatever, would look nice on a Caddy! :P

fintail

I think there was a problem making silver metallic paint back then, or it ages poorly. Every vintage silver metallic I have seen appears to be uneven and somewhat blotchy.

If I had my choice, I'd pick one in a blue like the pic I posted, with a white top and blue or maybe white interior.

isellhondas

GM used Acrylic Lacquer in those days and all of the metallic colors would quickly dull. I think white or black were the best colors in those days.

Want to hear a sad story?

When I was a kid, the people down the street had a beautiful Moss Green 1962 Coupe De Ville. When it was about six years old, the woman who owned it decided she liked light blue and they had Earl Scheib paint it for 49.95 or whatever they charged at that time. It had a green interior and the results were even worse than any of you can imagine. The car was ruined!

berri

I think pinstriping is about as far as you want to go on these cars. Anything else, you're probably better off messing with a Chevy or Pontiac.

berri

Sad - makes me want to puke. Maybe she was just a flower girl ahead of her time and the advent of psychedelics?

parm

http://www.antiquecar.com/index.php?a=2&b=16804

Here's a 1964 Oldsmobile 98 coupe. Looks to be in nice condition. The seller sent me a few additional photos (which I'd post here if I knew how) to include a full view of the car that provides a much better perspective. It's refreshing to find a car that's within a reasonable drive from my house. The seller is asking $10,000 which seems like "all the money" to me. What do you all think?

andre1969

Looks nice at a quick glance, but the carpets look kinda worn/dirty. Also, it's hard to tell from those pics, but the front and rear bumpers look like they might need to be re-chromed, and the rear looks like it might have been hit and pushed in just a bit.

I'd guess more like $6-7K?

Mr_Shiftright

I'm not seein' show quality in those photos.

Seems like a lot of money for a car nobody cares about. The 98 is not much on anybody's radar in the collector car world.

I agree, about $6,000 is all the money here.

isellhondas

I would pass on that Olds.

Those weren't the best cars. They had that Roto- Hydramatic transmission. they had sorely inadequate brakes and front ends that would eat ball joints and control arm bushings. They handled horribly and personally, I think they don't look very good.

Our host doubled the number I was thinking it was worth.

parm

Hardtop: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cadillac-Seville-1960-CADILLAC-ELDORADO-SEVILLE-M- USEUM-QUALITY_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a3Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q- Q_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem320345421560QQitemZ320345421560QQptZUSQ5fCar- sQ5fTrucks

Convertible: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cadillac-DeVille-DTS-Convertible-EXCELLENT-CONDIT- ION-COLLECTORS-CONVERTIBLE-ANTIQUE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a3Q7- c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1308QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem120386332036QQitemZ1203- 86332036QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks

I always considered the 1960 Cadillacs as big, bulbous tanks still clinging to the wretched excess of the '59. But, these two particular models have caught my eye - particularly the Eldorado Seville hardtop coupe. I really like the profile of the rear roof line and the resulting large open air space in the cabin when all the windows are down. And, naturally, I like the convertible too. 1960 is definitely a year when the 2-door model looks more svelte (is that even possible for a ’60 Cadillac?) than its 4-door sister

Are the "Buy It Now" prices they're asking for these two cars market correct?

Mr_Shiftright

60 Seville Hardtop -- they are worth decent money but at his asking price the car would literally have to be a flawless #1 automobile---that is, just like it was when it rolled out of the factory----anything less, and $45,000 should be more than enough for it.

'60 Deville convert -- price is way too high. I think on close inspection one would see that this is not a pristine car at all. I think it's a tarted up high #3/ low #2 with blemishes. No shots underneath---not a good sign.

Both these cars need eyeballs on them before an accurate price could be assessed. The hardtop looks the nicer.