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My salesman also said that it was deleted when the first nav Genesis came out for the room thing, but I can't imagine why there would be a space problem that far below the unit.
http://www.thecarconnection.com/image/100234029_2011-hyundai-sonata
Yep, it's there. Check out this pic!
http://www.thecarconnection.com/photos/hyundai_sonata_2011#100306855
I also had a chance to drive the car today in about 3 inches of snow and a bit of sleet/ice, and it handled excellently. The traction control and ESC kept the car going right where I wanted it to and without feeling intrusive - most of the time I really had to pay attention to know it was kicking on. The result was a definite feeling of confidence in the snow, for those of you in colder climates.
It looks like they are jumping on this quickly to avoid the press hounds that are going after the auto industry.
Best to wait a year.
The [Sonata's] front doors incorporate a convenience feature that allows a locked door to be unlocked and opened by pulling the inside door release handle without first unlocking the door with the inside door lock switch. If a front inside door lock switch is held in the locked position while the inside door handle is pulled to open the door, the door latch may malfunction. If this occurs, the inside door handle will not return to its normal, stowed position and the door latch will remain in the unlatched position when attempting to close the door.
The repair kits are already on the way to the dealerships to fix the issue, which takes about an hour to correct. At least my brakes will work and the gas pedal won't accelerate on it's own :P
INFINITY® AUDIO SYSTEM
Audio enthusiasts with even more demanding tastes will be impressed by the AM/FM/XM/DVD/MP3 audio system with touch-screen navigation that includes a 400-watt external amplifier, dedicated Dual Voice Coil (DVC) subwoofer, eight-channels and nine Infinity speakers available on the Limited. Infinity and Hyundai engineers worked together during the early stages of development to integrate the speakers into Sonata's interior. The team spent hundreds of hours fine-tuning the system for the cabin's unique acoustic attributes.
XM, HD RADIo TECHNOLOGY, Bluetooth and Touch-screen navigation DELIVER UNRIVALED MIDSIZE SEDAN technology CHOICES
2011 Sonata comes standard with three months of XM Satellite Radio, real-time XM NavTraffic and XM Data Services
Sonata also will be the first popular midsize sedan to offer the clarity of digital HD Radio Technology from the factory
First vehicle in its class to offer a Bluetooth hands-free phone system standard
Standard auxiliary iPod/USB inputs allow drivers to fully control and charge iPods directly from the head unit
Touch-screen navigation is available on all trim levels and includes a high-resolution screen. This system provides new features including Bluetooth streaming audio capability. This easy-to-use unit can be controlled via 6.5-inch WVGA touchscreen or voice-activation by headliner-mounted microphone.
The system features 8GB of flash memory and comes matched with a sound system that plays compact discs, accesses digital music files via Bluetooth streaming audio or allows driver and passenger to access their personal listening devices through the iPod/USB/auxiliary inputs. Bluetooth audio wirelessly streams music from select mobile phones to the head unit. Also, with a Bluetooth-enabled phone one can look up a local restaurant and call for reservations before plotting the route. The XM Satellite Radio interface is also integrated into the navigation unit and features channel logos, real-time NavTraffic and XM Data services such as WX Satellite Weather®, XM Stock Ticker and XM Sports Ticker. The system is also updateable via the USB.
If the above is correct, that is good news. If anyone has a Limited with the Infinity NAV, please post.
Well, I see how this could have slipped by the QC people at Hyundai. I would not have thought to check this combination of actions. I guess Hyundai didn't think to check it either. I mean, who would hold the inside front door lock switch in the locked position while pulling the handle to open the door?? I guess automakers really do need to make their cars "idiot proof", since some people will hold the lock switch down while trying to open the front door, and they'll stack multiple floor mats on top of each other, and...
why do i need to compare Hyundais to the last generation of their "competitors"? the current 370Z and 750 iL are considerably faster than their Hyundai "counterparts". to be fair, the 370Z has 24 more HP, and the 750 iL is turbocharged, but the power to weight is either close to or just a little better than the Genesis coupe and sedan. nothing that would indicate half a second or more better 0-60 times.
Lexus claims that the LS460 does 0-60 in 5.4 seconds. this despite weighing over 500 lbs more than the Genesis. most manufacturer claims are conservative, but with Toyota you never know. speaking of Toyota, the new Sonata needs a half mile race performed by Koreans in Korea (completely unbiased) to soundly beat the aging, porkier, more underpowered Camry.
i'm not knocking Hyundai in general. i think they are now the best mainstream car company out there, but acceleration has never been their strong suit. at the moment i have given up expecting any of their cars to have class leading acceleration despite class leading power to weight. the difference between the Sonata (16.2 lbs/hp) and the second place car (Accord, 18.5 lbs/hp) is more than the difference between the Accord and the last (6th) place car (Malibu 20.2 lbs/hp). it's that much better than the field, but it doesn't translate into quicker performance. the aforementioned Camry (5th place in power to weight) has 19.6 lbs/hp but very similar 0-60 as Sonata. if they somehow end up having class leading acceleration in the future, i will be pleasantly surprised.
ls460SPORT clocked at 6.1sec by edmunds. genesis was i believe clocked at 5.9 seconds. and genesis came out well before new 7 arrived. hyundai was playing catch up with genesis.
doesn't matter what hyundai says. hyundai always benchmark better cars. E46M3 was one of the greatest car ever made. it also had 33hp more horses and more torque. 5.4-5.7 is still very respectable number for gen coupe. again, what do you expect from a 1st timer? gen coupe does destroy M3 in fuel economy though. M3 is rated at 15/22 and it drinks premium! i know many M3 owners and it's real world mpg is worse than than 15/22. gen coupe on the other hand is rated at 17/27 with regular. one of hyundai's goal was to become #1 fuel efficient car company, and they probably had to sacrifice performance to gain better mpg.
from my experiences with gen coupe, it's has a great steering feel, great handling, and great sound. comparing to 370z is unfair because 370z is 2 door hard core sports coupe. better comparison is g37coupe.
as far as sonata vs. camry, again, hyundai's main priority was the MPG, not 0-60. maybe you can't have both? i don' t know. i could careless about 0-60 from midsize sedans. but i'm sure sonata will finish among the top in 0-60 in upcoming comparison tests. should finish top 5 in 10 car comparison. mazda6, kizashi, and legacy will most likely beat sonata in 0-60. but again, look at the sales number on those 3. 0-60 has absolutely zero effect in midsize sedan sales.
As for the Sonata's 0-60, I find it hard to believe the numbers Motortrend got during their one day test drive to be accurate given the HP and weight. All of the cars they tested were probably brand new, first of all, which can negatively effect performance times. Second is that I doubt they did 0-60 with the paddle shifters, because until the transmission learns to let the engine go all the way to the red line (through a week or so of spirited driving), the car will shift before 5000 RPM and not unleash the full power potential. The HP rating is at 6250 RPM.
This system is an advantage because people get the car that they want to drive. Those that drive gently and want a more comfortable ride will get that. Those who want high-revving shifts and more power will get that too. My 2004 Sonata also had this system and it definitely made a difference of at least half a second or more in performance once the tranny adjusted to my stop-light drag races.
Most dealers will be getting their 2nd allocation of Sonatas towards the end of this week, beginning of next for a major March ad push.
Until those cars show up in their inventory with a shipping date, they really don't know what they are getting.
I can verify that it DOES come with aux and iPod jacks, just like the other models.
I bet someone cut and pasted language from another brochure regarding the Infinity sound system, including the now incorrect footnote.
Also, if you are looking for the silver/black combo LTD w/nav, go to Ed Voyles Hyundai in Smyrna (Atlanta suburb).
A salesman said he'll check his inventory and call me back. If he says he has it then I'll call my dealer and have him call them. If this works out...seems like I should get some kind of perk from my dealer for doing their work...lol
Thanks for the heads up.
You mean "you just sat in it" you didn't drive it? Was it because it was on the showroom floor?
I didn't need to drive it--I am waiting for my specific request (black/black w/nav) to come in. No luck yet on that front.
Their online inventory shows the nav model as blue, which is an error. It's actually silver.
Humm, I'm looking at their online inventory now and all I see are 4 LTD but none with black interior.
Black on Black sounds nice...that was my second choice.
Black on black will be nice...if I ever get it. They have black/grey w/o nav, and it is nice, too.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/10q1/2011_hyundai_sonata_se-short_take_r- - oad_test
"the Sonata looks downright beautiful parked next to the dowdy Accord."
Interesting comments by C&D. I've gotta go sit on one.
i can believe the slow times for the Sonata from Motor Trend. Motor Trend is actually one of the publications that usually shows faster times. there's video evidence that shows a Sonata barely matching a Camry for the first 10 seconds. like i've said in another reply, Hyundai's 0-60 times are one of their biggest weaknesses, along with ride refinement (neither floaty nor harsh) which has apparently improved. hopefully, the new GDI turbo from Hyundai changes the equation.
http://s734.photobucket.com/albums/ww347/mcc17ss/2011%20sonata%20-%20pacific%20b- lue%20pearl/
Anyone hear anything about when HD radio will be included with the Nav units? I have a hard time buying a car now when I know the feature will be included later on.
http://www.insideline.com/features/1998-acura-integra-type-r-vs-2010-honda-civic- -si.html
civic SI had 7.5 0-60. and it weighs much less than gen coupe 2.0T and only loses 10hp.
again, hyundai's 0-60 is competitive. but they aren't leaders in this department. what are you implying? you expect hyundai to be a leader in every category?
exactly.
anyway, gen coupe is a slow turd. we got your point.
real time
maybe because it was a wet track? i don't know. but clearly sonata BEAT camry. also, 8.1 second isn't bad. civic si coupe just posted 7.5 and it weighs less than 3000lb and has same HP.
Recall that the nav option was included in the price comparison with the Accord EX, because that is the only way to get a moonroof on the SE.
The 2011 Sonata is nearly an inch longer than the previous model, with a wheelbase stretch of 2.6 inches. The bloat brings the sedan up to the EPA’s large-car classification, alongside the Honda Accord.
Uh, Earth to C/D... the Sonata has been "bloated" up to the large-car EPA class since the previous generation debuted (in the ROK) in late 2004, and in the US in early 2005. I guess C/D didn't get the memo.
However, the Sonata still needs to prove itself in the market—the mainstream sedan segment in which it resides is hotly contested, with sales measured in the hundreds of thousands.
I don't recall they said anything like that when they tested the 2009 Mazda6 or 2010 Legacy--both of which the Sonata handily outsells. :confuse: