2011 Hyundai Sonata

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  • pcgeek86pcgeek86 Member Posts: 72
    edited February 2010
    Yeah, the dealership near me only had one SE, and it had black around the tips, too! I was pretty surprised, considering that the dual-exhaust on my old 2006 Sonata GLS v6 stayed pretty clean; I think in the 47k miles that I had it, I only cleaned them (with chrome treatment) once!

    Maybe I'll have to look into getting an aftermarket muffler installed. As much as I'm learning to love the little 4-cyl, the sound makes it feel like a tin can. I know that the car is much more than a tin can, so the engine sound isn't really fitting for it.

    I'm still happy that I bought the Limited, just due to all the other features it's got, but again, it surprises me that the Limited doesn't have the nicer exhaust system. Odd, is it not?

    Cheers,
    -Trevor
  • roadie22roadie22 Member Posts: 6
    edited February 2010
    Check this out from a new review on gearlog.com 2011 Sonata Review

    If HD Radio is important, check to see that your Sonata is a recent build. Some of the first Sonatas with navigation systems didn't get the HD Radio chipsets. (First dealer deliveries were in December 2009.) Since the cars are built in Alabama, it's a shorter supply line than other models out of Korea.
  • wolverinejoe80wolverinejoe80 Member Posts: 337
    gen coupe is in no man's land because the price is about 2 grand more what it should be. every one thought it was going to start at 19k and ends up at 27-28k. but gen coupe is surprisingly expensive. and it's hard to go against icons. and please don't compare it to 1 series or anything that is above 33k. price difference is huge.

    few more comments:
    -gen coupe beat Camaro v6 in the comparo already. in the comparison genesis coupe was clearly superior in almost all areas.

    -17/26 for manual 17/27 for automatic. mazda6 v6 17/25 with less HP, less torque and etc

    -genesis coupe has nothing to do with luxury. it's an affordable RWD sports coupe. it's cross shopped against civic SI, mazdaspeed 3, GTI of the world even with RWD. and the most close comparison would be G37coupe in terms of performance.

    -again i don't know why civic SI is mentioned in sonata's discussion, but it has better 0-60 because it's a civic Si! it's a fast little sporty coupe with 200hp and weighs under 3000lb. it's meant to have a faster 0-60 than a car that is twice bigger. i briefly owned 2007 civic si sedan. it's not a good or fun car. it's a huge disasppointment. it's definitely not a driver's car. i even like previous gen better. and GEN COUPE TURBO is much much better car than civic SI ever will be regardless of 0-60.
  • 2011sonatase2011sonatase Member Posts: 2
    Estimate City MPG 22 vs actual 29 using 87 Octane. Has anyone checked out MPG on a straight highway run? Sticker Estimates 35!
  • wolverinejoe80wolverinejoe80 Member Posts: 337
    edited February 2010
    GEN COUPE REVIEW(by a car fanatic, a former pilot)

    ON THE ROAD:

    OK, guys, I've know I've been b**ching for several paragraphs now about the trim/hardware and interior, but here is where the b**ching stops. It's easy to see where Hyundai put the development money here.....chassis and drivetrain. This car, on the road, is a superb sports coupe, and here is where we get the payback for the car's other mediocre features. I enjoyed driving it even more than the Nissan 370Z several weeks ago....this car is a serious BMW-fighter in its road manners, and you can bet it will command some respect among enthusiasts.

    Foot on the brake, start the 3.8L V6 with a proximity key fob and a start button on the dash...now common among upmarket vehicles. The engine fires up smoothly and not-so-quietly, with an audible but not loud exhaust tone. Throttle tip-in (a drive-by-wire system) is a little jumpy from rest under some conditions, other times smoother, so you don't want to be right up on the guy's bumper in front of you when you start up. Give it some gas under way, though, and the 306 HP and 266 ft-lbs, in this fairly light (3389 lbs, empty) RWD coupe give you a healthy shove in the back as you surge forward. It's not quite Corvette or Dodge Viper acceleration, but this engine will definitely get out of its own way. The maximum 266 ft-lbs, at 4700 RPM, is not enormous on paper (comparable to that of many competing V6s), but the torque curve feels quite flat.....the power starts coming on at low RPMs. And, again, the exhaust drone, though somewhat flat and nasal in tone, lets you know that you are in a sport-oriented vehicle, but not to the point of assaulting your ears.

    The ZF 6-speed SHIFTRONIC transmission is also first-rate, being marred only by the afore-mentioned zig-zag shifter (which is usually not a factor on the road) and the somewhat awkwardly-mounted and hinged column shift-paddles that force you to pull them back on the bottom of them instead of the more usual top/bottom motion. But, in its sport-shifting characteristics, this is probably the best transmission I've seen since the superb VW/Audi DSG I've praised so much in other reviews. Sport-shift lever or paddles, the transmission responds instantly and with NO delay....flick a gear and you've got it right now, no nonsense. And the instant shifting is accomplished without any harshness or bumpiness....difficult for engineers to do a conventional, torque-converter automatic.

    And, if the drivetrain is well-done, the chassis is even better (yes, on a Hyundai). Steering response is Miata-quick, almost to the point of being darty. Steering feel is nice, firm, much heavier than in any other Hyundai I've driven, and comes very close to the telepatic-feel of BMW systems (not quite, but very close). Cornering is sports-car flat, with virtually no body roll.....even when I gave the wheel some pretty sharp tugs. The turning radius, at low speeds, is short enough to give it good manuverability in tight quarters, too. Ride comfort, with the 18", 45-series front and 19", 40-rear tires (they can't be rotated front/back), is, as expected, somewhat on the firm side, but, like BMW, Hyundai enginers have been able to combine a reasonably smooth ride for the superb level of handling this car has. Road noise level, while audible, is not bad (the extra trunk insulation helps), and wind noise, despite the cheap window mouldings on the exterior, is not bad either.

    And, does this car stop as well as it goes? You bet......and then some. Like the transmission and steering, the big, red-caliper, Brembo brake package (standard on Track models) hauls the car down from speed like a battleship anchor tossed out of a canoe. Pedal response is literally instantaneous, quicker even than on many German sports sedans I've tried, including some BMWs. There is no detectable sponginess at all, though the rotor/pad feel, while extremely smooth, is not quite as smooth as on some Audis I've driven. The only thing I didn't like about the brakes was where they placed the pedal...it is too high and close to the gas pedal for my tastes, and I had to be careful not to get my big circus-clown size 15 shoes hung-up under the brake pedal when lifting off the gas. And the gas pedal itself is too close to the console for my tastes, too.

    THE VERDICT:

    Well, guys, you can tell, from my review, that I took a lot of notes while doing the interior/exterior static reviews (many of them, of course, negative), but then got one of the surprises of my life when I started it up and actually drove it. Hyundai did skimp somewhat on trim and hardware, but, in return, has given us a serious BMW-fighter. This is, without a doubt, IMO, the best sport-oriented vehicle, stock from the factory, ever to enter the American market from a Korean manufacturer. That they can do so for only 32K makes this car an even more remarkable buy...but, of course, that reflects some of the trim and interior cost-cutting (you can't have your cake and eat it too).

    Of course, I reviewed.....and drove.....the top-of-the-line 3.8 Track model, which is clearly the most sport-oriented of the various Coupe models. While I did not drive and compare the lesser Coupe models (indeed, I couldn't, for almost none were available), it's probably a safe bet to say that one should not expect quite this level of performance with the lesser.....and less expensive......versions. Still, my guess, based on what I've seen with the 3.8 Track, is that even the lesser versions won't have much, on the road, to apologize for.

    Congragulations, Hyundai, for a superb sport-coupe, at a reasonable price.
  • m6userm6user Member Posts: 3,181
    Will you guys please get off the Gen coupe discussion. This is the 2011 Sonata thread. Jeesh, you are really boring everyone.
  • norm8_lakesnorm8_lakes Member Posts: 41
    Thanks for your positive information.
  • pcgeek86pcgeek86 Member Posts: 72
    Agreed, this is a Sonata forum. Why do we need to talk about the Genesis? Please refrain, so the rest of us can talk about the new Sonata.

    FYI, I've got some new pictures coming, and some more video (720p) of both the interior and exterior of the car! :)

    Cheers,
    Trevor
  • jjx456jjx456 Member Posts: 41
    Hyundai stated it expects the SE to make up 10% of sales. I think the 18" wheels and dual exhausts add a lot to the look of the Sonata and would be willing to bet the SE will make up more than 10% (unless the turbo LTD comes with 18" wheels and dual exhausts). Agree or disagree?
  • napsfannapsfan Member Posts: 23
    My guess is that 10% sounds about right. In my personal case, I love the look of the SE. But living in the north/midwest with all our snow and ice, I'm not comfortable with the low-profile tires as a good choice. I'm also disappointed in the standard SE audio. And would not really use the paddle shifters except to play around once in a great while. I'm currently thinking of gritting my teeth and shelling out the larger $$ for the limited to get all the things it offers, and am hoping for some good deals this Spring as Hyundai makes a sales push. As a fallback, I'd go for the GLS. But I've taken the SE off my list now.

    My $0.02 worth.
  • howard18howard18 Member Posts: 53
    Hopefully we can see $2000 rebate by end of this year~~~
  • rich27514rich27514 Member Posts: 41
    The Limited does NOT have a power passenger seat.
  • hh1799hh1799 Member Posts: 8
    Would you recommend King Hyundai in Deerfield? I had a bad buying experience with King Oldsmobile some years back. I've been impressed with the 2011 Sonata and am thinking about buying one. Were you satisfied with how you were treated by King?
  • syitalian25syitalian25 Member Posts: 303
    edited February 2010
    I mentioned the Civic Si sedan because it is 197 HP/3000 lbs. compared to 200/3200 in the Sonata SE. But the Civic is a puny 139 lb. of torque compared to my Sonata's 186!! While the Si would be faster to 60, who cares, I bet the Sonata is more fun to drive. While the Civic Si sedan's transmission is obviously designed with performance in mind over fuel economy, I would say the Sonata SE is still a powerful four cylinder with a sporty ride while still offering the creature comforts of an upscale sedan. And since the Civic Si sedan is $22,225 before options, I would definitely say that some people (including myself) would cross shop between both of these cars. This might not apply to people not looking for a sporty ride, but for some it does.

    Also I found another review on AOL Autos which was very positive, check it out.

    http://autos.aol.com/article/2011-hyundai-sonata
  • flatibbyflatibby Member Posts: 28
    This is my 3rd car purhased from them. This time around I haggled alot more just to satisfy my payment I wanted without anything down and completely paid off my negative equity for my car because of my loyalty to them. I made sure they're aware of that. The sales experience is okay, nothing to rave about. The sales consultant there tried to make me feel as comfortable as possible throughout the whole process. Seems to me each time I go back there, the whole staff is different then before. Even the sales manager told me they clean house replacing all the staff and he's the only original person there. Don't know if thats a good thing or a bad thing.
    If I were you, give them a try. Be ready to bargain hard for your deal. I'm sure you'll leave there satisfied, hopefully with a new Sonata. :shades:
  • abigmuttabigmutt Member Posts: 38
    because adding heated seats costs about ten dollars per seat, whereas a power seat (motors, controls, rails, etc.) costs about $70 per seat to manufacture.
  • carbuntcarbunt Member Posts: 40
    I must say this was one of the sloppiest and most asinine reviews that I've read about the 2011 Sonata. Several times the so-called reviewer corrects himself in answers in the feedback section.

    Another telling sign that this review was hurriedly and carelessly written is that the author makes no mention of the 2011 Sonata’s best-in-class safety rating from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS). The Sonata not only aced the more stringent crash safety tests, it also exceeded its more stringent roof crush test by surpassing its rivals by a Michigan mile.

    While I'm not expecting every review to be gushing this one was beyond hysterically nit picky. No thank you.
  • ramkatramkat Member Posts: 23
    Please note that this review was released before the gag on reviews was lifted at 12:00 PM on Monday 22 Feb. I not sure how binding that was, probably just some form of gentleman's agreement.
  • ramkatramkat Member Posts: 23
    edited February 2010
    We will not get the SE over here but do we expect any differences between for example the Limited sold in the USA and the Limited sold in Canada. I expect that the Canadian version will get Metric instruments and degrees Celsius on the HVAC control knobs. But has anyone noticed anything else. The better half drives a 2005 Tucson and there the Canadian version differs from the US version. (i.e. no trip computer on the Canadian version and Canada got the European suspension IIRC) Last year I looked at the Gen Coup and there too the Canadian version differs from the US version (fog lights on the 2.0T)

    I asked the local dealer about it a week ago but he could not tell me.
  • syitalian25syitalian25 Member Posts: 303
    About 5 comments down the author admits "I was in a rush writing the review and didn't check it over. I meant to say Engine noise is just as notable as before (which isn't much) and the SE is quick!" .... this guy is some local journalist for a paper in Baltimore or there abouts, not a professional car reviewer.
  • marvin6marvin6 Member Posts: 72
    If the kid who wrote this review is an auto expert I am an overweight fifty year old male pole dancer.
  • syitalian25syitalian25 Member Posts: 303
    Here is a new review from Marketwatch that is also very positive. They say that Hyundai provided the 0-60 time as 7.1 seconds which "seemed about right". This would also be consistent with the improved power/weight over the competitors, so I am hopeful that it is true. I did a bit of number crunching and the 2011 Sonata i4 is just slightly below the power/weight ratio of the 2006 Sonata V6, which reportedly does 0-60 in about 6.7 seconds. Here is the link:

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/2011-hyundai-sonata-watch-out-camry-accord-2010- -02-27?reflink=MW_news_stmp
  • bobadbobad Member Posts: 1,587
    I hope that mental image leaves me real soon. :)
  • wolverinejoe80wolverinejoe80 Member Posts: 337
    7.1? wow, that would be a great number for sonata. any evidence of hyundai saying this? based on drag race between camry and motor trend's number, i concluded that it would do 7.8-8.2 ish. maybe there is a trick to launching the sonata properly?
  • wolverinejoe80wolverinejoe80 Member Posts: 337
    and if 7.1 is indeed true than i would feel very sorry for Akuma. :)

    but i doubt it's that fast. when i drove it, it felt faster than last gen and camry, but i didn't feel like it's a 7 second car. but what do i know.
  • chrisk10chrisk10 Member Posts: 19
    I wouldn't doubt that it is close to that. However I haven't really wanted to push my SE (yet) as it still has less than 300 miles on it. I have put my foot into a little bit and have noticed (as a I stated a few days ago) this car has PLENTY of power for merging/passing and some decent off the line speed. Is it going to beat a v6 altima or camry, or a civic si? No way. But it still (using the paddle shifters or gear shifter) has a decent amount of get up and go. Put in a K&N (when they come out) and I'm sure you'll notice a little more peppiness and slighty better mpg. The best way is to test drive one. Kinda hard to make judgments having never set foot in one. My $0.02...
  • jayriderjayrider Member Posts: 3,602
    Checked the 2011 out yesterday. Didn't test drive but the Ltd model on the floor was very nice. Great seating and a nice sized trunk. Pretty roomy. They were running a special lease -- 3 year 15k miles per -- $380 including 6.5% tax. No inception fees --just the first $380. Get your keys and drive away. Not bad in these days of bad lease deals.
  • mikemartinmikemartin Member Posts: 205
    edited February 2010
    Checked the 2011 out yesterday. Didn't test drive but the Ltd model on the floor was very nice. Great seating and a nice sized trunk. Pretty roomy. They were running a special lease -- 3 year 15k miles per -- $380 including 6.5% tax. No inception fees --just the first $380. Get your keys and drive away. Not bad in these days of bad lease deals.

    I can get a Cadillac CTS for $380 per month, and the CTS has an MSRP that's about 20k more than the Sonata Limited.

    How is the Sonata Limited lease "special?"

    I do plan on driving it (after only sat in a GLS), but I'm seeing so much hype that I fear Hyundai's efforts are going to fizzle out when the masses start driving their cars in the real world of pot holes and traffic jams.
  • hickstickshicksticks Member Posts: 2
    That doesn't sound like a very good deal to me. I got 15k miles, I put $3725 down, and my monthly payments are $159 a month included tax. This is on a GLS with the popular eqiupment package.
  • midas69midas69 Member Posts: 118
    That doesn't sound like a very good deal to me. I got 15k miles, I put $3725 down, and my monthly payments are $159 a month included tax. This is on a GLS with the popular eqiupment package.

    Well you put about $3300 more down than he did. As a rough estimate, on a 3 year lease you can figure about $30 per month for every $1000. So with a comparable down payment your cost would have been about $259 a month instead. The extra cost of the Limited over the GLS makes up the rest of the difference, about $4K = $120 per month more.
  • pegasus17pegasus17 Member Posts: 536
    ref: 938
    It is not smart to put down a lot of money on any lease. You should have read post #150 in the sonata lease forum. The thread moderator "carman" backs up my claim with his own words:
    " I always advise consumers not to make large down payments on leases vehicles. Those who make them risk losing part or all of them if their vehicle is totaled in an accident or stolen and never recovered. "
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    I am seeing ads in my local papers for nothing-down GLS leases for $235-239/month. That compares very favorably to ads for leases on some competitors, e.g. Camry LE for $239/month and Accord LX for $269/month. Maybe those high resale values predicted by ALG are helping drive down the cost of Sonata leases.
  • pegasus17pegasus17 Member Posts: 536
    edited February 2010
    REF: 941
    Hyundai is subsidizing the new model with attractive lease rates:
    For 36 months and 12k miles per year, pre-tax numbers
    GLS, 60%, .00048; at 20060 sell price comes to 239/month (msrp 21050)
    Limited, 58%, .00095; at 25000 sell price comes to 328/month (msrp 26150)
    Zero down, 595 acq fee built into the lease. Some dealers are beating these numbers at least for now.
  • mikemartinmikemartin Member Posts: 205
    edited February 2010
    ref: 938
    It is not smart to put down a lot of money on any lease. You should have read post #150 in the sonata lease forum. The thread moderator "carman" backs up my claim with his own words:
    " I always advise consumers not to make large down payments on leases vehicles. Those who make them risk losing part or all of them if their vehicle is totaled in an accident or stolen and never recovered. "


    Exactly right. In addition to risking losing all of the money you put down on a lease, you are losing the opportunity on the money, whether that may be 1.5% in a money market or 20% in a business investment (per annum)...

    I am able to get the supplier discount on Hyundai vehicles and many others, so I will only purchase, but even if I didn't, I would not lease any vehicle any ways, unless the lease deal was extraordinarily subsidized by the manufacturer and/or dealer.

    I am waiting until the initial media buzz about the new Sonata dies down, and will then test drive it when normalcy returns. I am not overwhelmed by the interior of the GLS that I sat in, and this may be a function of "the greater the hype, the bigger the letdown."

    Having said that, I am willing to give it a fair shake and see how it drives compared to the 5 cars I've already test driven before making my next purchase.
  • jayriderjayrider Member Posts: 3,602
    edited February 2010
    A cadillac cts withe no cap cost- no downpayment and taxes included 36 months
    15k miles is an absolutely amazing deal.I've seen nothing like that in the ads. The current cts lease "special" is 369 for 39 months with $5844 down and tax title fees extra. That would add an additional $200 plus to the payment. making it $569 plus fees. Looks like you got an additional $7000 from the dealer. Must be a relation.
    my interest in the lease deal wasn't serious -- still have 18 months on my murano. The salesman showed me the sheet. Would certainly do a bit of grinding if I was ready.
  • akumaakuma Member Posts: 70
    you don't need to feel sorry for me... i'd gladly eat a plate of crow if Hyundai truly delivered on performance. it's not as if i feel vindicated or anything when Hyundai has slow times; i'd rather they be faster. FWIW, the Volkswagen GTI has the same weight (around 3200 lbs) and the same power (200 hp), but a little more torque (207 ft/lbs) and does 0-60 in 6.6 seconds (even with slight turbo lag) according to Car and Driver. it also gets 24/32 mpg (DSG), which is just a little worse overall than the Sonata. but, 7.1 with the automatic is actually very good, and hopefully the turbo is much noticeably faster.
  • jayriderjayrider Member Posts: 3,602
    That would make my payment 373 with the 6.5% sales tax. The pretax payment is about 1.3% of msrp. 1% or less is very good -- this deal is better than average in the current leasing climate. If you could shave a grand off the cap cost that would bring it closer to the 1% goal. Thanks for rhe mf and rv numbers pegasus17. Where did you get them?
  • awahooawahoo Member Posts: 15
    For the life of me, I cannot understand the fixation on this forum with 0-60 times! This is a family sedan, not a sports car. If you want to impress someone with 0-60 time, get a Corvette, but you'll pay over twice as much.

    Now, to the reason for this post. I purchased the 2011 Sonata Limited yesterday. I had previously asked for input on whether to buy the GLS or the Limited. Well, I was not impressed with the cloth seats in the GLS. I paid $23,000 for my Limited which had a MSRP of $26,155. I think I got a helluva deal.

    I only have 180 miles on it, but so far I love everything about it. It is very roomy. I cannot touch the firewall with my toes when in a comfortable driving position. I think the power is very good, as is acceleration. The sound system is impressive. I was amazed at the roominess of the trunk. All in all, for the money, I don't see how anyone could choose a Camry or Accord over the Hyundai, but then, that's why they make chocolate and vanilla.

    My dealer cannot keep them on the lot, they are selling like hotcakes! He had to trade a Tucson in order to get a GLS, as most shipments are the SE and Limited.

    If you're BUYING, getting an internet quote is the only way to go.
  • pegasus17pegasus17 Member Posts: 536
    edited February 2010
    REF: 946
    I got the lease info from a local dealer here in OH. Then, it was validated by "CARMAN" on the 2011 Hyundai Sonata Lease forum. I use my own lease spreadsheet to do the calculations (pre-tax, no license or doc fees). See post 149 there:
    "Pegasus17, here is the information that you're looking for. Hyundai Motors Finance's current buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36 month lease of a 2011 Sonata GLS with 12,000 miles per year are .00048 and 60%, respectively. Car_man, Host, Prices Paid: Buying & Leasing Experiences Forum"
    http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/WebX/.ef9da1e/149
  • pegasus17pegasus17 Member Posts: 536
    edited February 2010
    REF: 947
    A new 2011 Hyundai Sonata Limited for 23000! Where, how, can it be repeated? Did you have a trade that they lowballed? Best I can do is 2000 off MSRP and i thought that was amazing. Did you have any other rebates or discounts (loyalty, military, supplier)?
  • swingmanswingman Member Posts: 54
    Pardon us for talking 0-60 times. Just because it's a family sedan doesn't mean there's a gag order on talking about what's under the hood. Your comment telling people to get a Corvette (which is probably out of many people's price range) is more ridiculous than people talking 0-60 times IMO.

    BTW, 0-60 times are posted for most (if not all) family sedans. Obviously family sedans won't be breaking any power records and there are more important aspects of the car than speed off the line but it can come in handy for passing or merging onto the interstate. So a good 0-60 time is useful regardless of what class of car you buy.

    When I go shopping this summer, hopefully I can get that kind of deal on a limited should I go that route. How did you get that kind of a deal? Just what they quoted over the internet?

    I've seen some reviews comment about lack of knee room. Have you noticed any issues with knees feeling crunched?
  • awahooawahoo Member Posts: 15
    You can be suspicious all you want, it happened! This was done through their internet department. Here's what happened. I was interested in a GLS. I went on Cars.com, built it like I wanted (only automatic and popular pckg.#2). MSRP was $21800. I picked three dealers and asked for a quote. I live in Virginia, @ 65 miles south of Richmond, and got a quote of $19,688 from a dealer in Winston-Salem, NC, which is @ 180 miles away. I got a second quote from the closest dealer to me, @45 miles. I asked the close dealer if he could match, and he did. I made a deposit and he started searching for my color. In the meantime, I went to the dealer, and saw the Limited. MSRP was $26,155. I asked the internet mgr. what his best price was on the Limited. He replied $23,225. I asked if he would go $23,000 and after looking up a lot of figures in his books, he finally said yes. I don't know what discounts, if any, I got...didn't ask, as I was so floored by this price. This happened on Thursday, 2/26/10. I was vascillating between the GLS with cloth seats and the Limited. I even posted a message that day, here, and asked for some advise as to whether the extra amenities were worth the difference.

    Now, let me tell you the rest. I went to the dealer yesterday to see the GLS with cloth seat, didn't like them and decided to go with the Limited. I asked for the internet mgr. but he had not come in to work yet. Another salesman said he could do the same thing using his notes. When he asked me what price I was quoted, he almost choked when I told him. I told him he could call the IM if he did not believe me, which he did. He told me he was selling it below their cost, but I doubt that. Now let me tell you the best part.

    I was turned over to the "paperwork guy" to complete all the forms. When he handed me a form to sign, I noticed that it had a $299.00 administrative fee. I told him the IM said $23,000 plus title and taxes, no fees. He responded that the fee could not be waived. At that point, I picked up my file folder and checkbook, stood up, and said "That's a dealbreaker,so I'm leaving." He quickly changed his tune and reviised the figures to eliminate the fee.

    Bottom line, I have a new 2011 Limited and paid $23,000. You can believe it or not, I don't care, I have the car and love it.
  • pegasus17pegasus17 Member Posts: 536
    I love you, too. Congratulations on your 23k limited! FWIW, I have been a member of these edmunds forums since 2001 and sometimes guys talk out-of-their-[non-permissible content removed] about the great deals that they get (and they are not always true). The MSRP of a new Limited is 26150 (not 26155) and it is still hard to believe that you got it for 23k. Kudos to you for not budging on the $299 admin fee which is pure profit. Here in Ohio, all dealers add a $250 doc fee which is the maximum allowed by state law. Whenever i challenge them on it they say it is standard in the industry which is pure BS. My NEW dealer is in Indiana (2 hours away) but i will gladly give him my business because he is a straight shooter and doesn't charge BS fees just to pad his profit. I hope other prospective Sonata buyers will be as diligent as you (and I) and not be talked into additional fees and BS add-ons. I hope to buy a Limited next month when the supply (of colors) is better. Please consider posting some pics of your ride on photobucket so we can see your awesome deal. I am jealous!
  • shuale_ejsshuale_ejs Member Posts: 115
    Well I spent another 3 hours at the Dealer on Friday. They said they searched and my car, silver w/black interior & nav does not exist. So these were my options 1: take the black car with gray interior 2: take the silver w/black w/out nav that they have 3: take the black on black that they found, or 4: order the car I want wait 4 months for delivery and risk not having as good a lease deal that I currently have. I am just so sick of them and mad at what they did. After wasting 3 more hours of my time I choose to tkae the black on black. But I am going to tell everyone who asks about my experience and advise them not to use that dealership. They try to play it off as though they are nice but they are very deceitful and I retract my previous recommendation!
  • crpediem2crpediem2 Member Posts: 1
    I just came home from the dealership. I purchased a Black Sonata SE. All I can say is WOW. I test drove the car several times before purchasing it, but didn't really get a chance to push it when testing it.
    On my way home from the dealership i was able to get the Sonata up to 110 on the tollway; It was smooth as glass, quiet and was still pulling in 5th gear. I could have gone faster, but didn't want to chance passing a cop. I researched and test drove many cars before deciding on this one. I think I got a good deal: 21,500 for the car 4,500 for my trade(2006 KIA Rio w/ 35K miles) and 3000 down 2.9% for 60 months and $275 a month payments. This car is awesome. The black is beautiful and very elegant. I will try to take some pics tomorrow and post them. i have a feeling that Hyundai will sell a ton of these, it is the best/most car for the money at the price point.
  • chrisk10chrisk10 Member Posts: 19
    Not only that, but you're never going to see that money again. You might as well set that $3750 on fire b/c you'll never build equity into the car, unless of course you're going to buy it at the end of the lease. Leasing makes sense when you don't have much to put down and you want the lowest possible payments. When I bought mine the difference between leasing and buying was relatively small. I decided that owning the car and being able to do what I wanted to with it was more important than a slightly lower payment. My last 3 cars before this one were all leases and I vowed to never do it again.
  • earbuckleearbuckle Member Posts: 16
    I hope I never share the road with you! Besides putting others at risk (unless the tollway was truly deserted), you didn't do any favors to your new car. There is a reason that they recommend varying speeds but not in excess of 55 mph for the first 600 miles. I suspect your "un-broken-in" 4 cyl was really "screaming" though it is hard to say what, if any, damage you caused. Going 110 in ANY new car is, frankly, DUMB!
  • 2011limited2011limited Member Posts: 30
    I hope you meant 110 Kilometers/Hour!

    LOL
  • shabadoo25shabadoo25 Member Posts: 232
    I'm waiting on the car they are giving you, if it has nav. Black/black is the best color combo they have on the LTD.
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