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A car on the lot isn't being driven and should not be given priority just because it's an auto dealer.
That could be the primary reason trade-in values for Toyotas will drop.
Same thing happened a while back with Explorers. Any of them sitting on a Toyota dealer's used lot with Firestone tires wasn't exactly an easy sell.
And I see other parallels, too. People say the Toyota recall goes beyond the CTS pedals because models without CTS pedals are also affected. Well, Explorers with Michelin tires in other countries were also affected, too.
It just sucks for everyone involved. Owners, Dealers, Manufacturers, and especially suppliers (who take the brunt of the blame).
We did sell quite a few cars because of C4C but a lot of it sure wasn't much fun.
It brought out the worst in some people. People whined because their cars didn't qualify and they tried pulling every trick to convince us that they did. Some people complained bitterly because thier cars qualified for the lower amount.
It was amusing when some people stripped every removable item off of their clunker even when those items had little or no value.
They would grind every last nickle out of a new car deal saying they had no trade in only to spring a clunker at the end.
And getting re-imbursed from the government was a nightmare.
We were glad when it ended!
So, Mr. Obama, what's next?
The Sandman :sick: :shades:
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2025 VW GTI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
As with all jobs, there are the good and the bad things. When the bad starts to outweigh the good, it's time to move on and I did!
The Sandman :sick: :shades:
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2025 VW GTI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
But I would lose my seniority here along with my vesting, four weeks vaction and my sweet 401K plan.
Think I'll leave it alone!
Craig has been around since '97, as have I, though the value of my Edmunds' funded 401(k), like everything else, has dropped significantly the past year or two.
Plus, the mop 'n' glo overhead on the 401(k) has eaten away at any gains I may have had.
How strange. My Edmunds funded 401K hasn't varied at all in all those years....
At first I focused on the Subaru threads, to get the Subaru Crew established. After a while I branched out a bit.
How can that be? :confuse:
Juice - yeah, the Subaru Crew is where I remember you from!
Think I've been here since the late '90's...seem to remember some kind of glitch so most have a 2001 date.
The Sandman :sick: :shades:
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2025 VW GTI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
I think I started here in 1996 when the forums were newly established.
A lot of people have come and gone since then.
The Sandman :sick: :shades:
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2025 VW GTI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
The Sandman :sick: :shades:
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2025 VW GTI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
The Sandman :sick: :shades:
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2025 VW GTI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
On August 14, 2009, I went to pick up my car, but they needed my registration, insurance, etc. and wanted to verify AGAIN that my car qualified for the CARS program. I was told AGAIN it was. After going over all the paperwork, I was reading the Bill of Sale and noticed it said - Dealer Install - $350. I asked what this was and they pointed out on the left side of the BoS that it was for the Tow Hitch. I was ticked that they charged me for it after they said they would throw it in. Mistake number 2.
After signing the BoS, I was just about to get my copy and leave when a guy came out of the dealership and said there was a typ-o on the Bill of Sale. I looked at the price (didn't change), my name and they type of car I was buying. I signed it and left.
Here's where the story really gets interesting. In April of 2010, I received a call from the dealership in which they said that the car was denied by the federal government and that I owed them the $4,500. I went to the Better Business Bureau (who responded), Department of Consumer Affairs (who also responded), my legislator (who responded), Senator Schumer (who has yet to respond), Congressman Bishop (who has yet to respond), and my states Attorney General's Office (who also has yet to respond).
Apparently, what L&B did was the old bait and switch. When the guy came out stating there was a typ-o, they removed where they mentioned the tow hitch and put a clause in there that states (yes, there is a typ-o in what they wrote) - Dealer Installed: BUYER SHALL INDEMNIFY DEARERSHIP FOR ANY DEFICIENCY FINANCIAL OR OTHERWISE PERTAINING TO THE FEDERAL CARS ACT.
This was never explained to me. Thus, they took me to small claims court demanding the $4,500. I stated my case and even pointed out to the judge that L&B's representative, Ira Bernstein, showed a document they submitted to the federal government clearly showing my car DID NOT qualify. Thus, they new it did not qualify and wanted to move inventory. The arbitrator stated to L&B "do you think you deserve everything? What about the trade in value of the car?" The arbitrator also mentioned that I should pursue Federal Appeals Court. That indicated that I would lose. Lose I did. Not only did the arbitrator grant the whole $4,500, plus the destruction value of my car, they also mention interest! Interest? There was no interest rate associated with the decision.
I am now going to an attorney to find out what I can do. In my opinion, this is FRAUD!
I'm curious to see what an attorney can do, keep us informed.
Anyway here's my advice to you next time, or anyone in the future - if someone pulls some sort of fraud - even a "legal" one like this on you, don't try and get justice from the legal system. At this point you need to decide whether you get Soprano-like with the guy. Explain to him that your vehicle has been surging, and is dangerous, and you'll bring it down to see if he can check it out ...
Cougar was not small (again) until 1999.
Anyway the dealership made the promise, it that the Clunker deal was good, and then slipped in the clause at the last minute, without telling the customer what they had changed. Sleazy legal fraud still occurred.
Tell me how what happened rises to the level of "sleazy legal fraud"? All we've heard is one side of the story, but you've immediately jumped down the dealer's throat saying they committed sleazy legal fraud without hearing both sides.
This isn't a court-of-law, and I guess we wouldn't hear both sides of the story. Even if the dealer came here and gave their side of the story, we couldn't confirm the poster was really the dealer, right? So as I said in Post #2721 - "if true", I'll go with the poster's story, and comment on it. This could be fact or fiction - like a lot on the web.
The OP has just one post, and hit-and-run style posting is typical of a troll. I'm leaning towards fiction.
Either way it's OLD news.
Meanwhile I hear Coolidge may run for president.....
At the time:
The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77
The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%
The Unemployment rate was 4.6%
George Bush's Economic policies SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of JOB CREATION!
What in the name of Reason & Common Sense happened since?
...then it blew.
The "Independent" Sandman
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2025 VW GTI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
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