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  • jaxvwjaxvw Posts: 1
    Is anyone aware of when the Golf design with be changed. Hoping for 2002. Edmunds calls the current styling 'dated'.
  • mpgmanmpgman Posts: 723
    With 308,000 miles on my 88 Festiva (original engine and clutch), it is time for a new car. Need some help. Can anyone give me realistic mpg for the 2.0L Golf 5-speed and auto? I considered the TDI but...NY won't register them now new or used because their certificate of origin must state "meets CA or 50-state emissions," which they don't. Also, required 40k miles timing belt ($500-$600 a pop) change, 20k miles diesel fuel filter ($150-$175 a pop, and a 10-30 cent premium for diesel over regular unleaded appears to make this false economy, even if you get 45-50 mpg. Is an 01 Civic really 10 mpg better than a Golf, which appears to be no better in mpg than an Accord? Any word on the new Protege-5 door due out in May? Thanks for checking in.
  • mpgman
    I can definitely answer this one. I've got a 99 New Golf, 2.0l, 5 speed, about 34,500 miles on the odometer. I've got one of those little electronic organizers and I've logged the mileage from every tank of gas I've put in the car. (A little obsessive I know but with 308K on a Ford I'm sure you understand.) I drive about 80 miles highway a day, plus lots of local running around, trips, etc (about 20K miles per year.) The highway stuff is usually at a steady 80 mph (3850 RPM). My average MPG is about 28mpg over the 34.5K. High has been 35mpg out of a tank that I drove the speed limit, low around 26.5mpg when the engine was new. I just had the first "major" service outside the 2/24 warranty, it cost $320 (about $50 more than the same 30K mile service for my Chevy, not too bad for a European car.) I just don't believe that a Civic would AVERAGE 38mpg (10 mpg more) over 30 plus thousand miles.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I sat in a GTI at the car show last night and liked the seats better than in the GLS Golf. They were sport seats and bolstered, but didn't feel as hard as the GLS seats. Anyone in this room with a Golf GTI or GLS and a bad back care to share their experiences?
  • carladycarlady Posts: 35
    I've got a '96 Golf GLS and find the seats are fine for running errands. For longer trips say, over 2 hours at a stretch, I think the stiffer GLS seats to be uncomfortable.


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  • see my earlier post, #199. automatic 2001 4 door silver gls, no luxury package, for $17,920 out the door. add appropriate amounts for the extras that you want. this was at walnut creek dorito bros dealership during their end of december sale. i don't know why they wouldn't be able to make the same deal a month later. other dealers that we tried (broadway in oakland, dublin, internet, wouldn't match dorito bros price.
  • the new VW seats? The new Golf/Jetta seem to be like my Passat seats. They are very firm, and seem at first to be uncomfortable. But over a long trip, I like the support. I don't get the cramping and numbness like I get in the '89 Caravan, which has cushy plush seats like a couch. IMO, I like the firmness better.
  • I'm looking into a small car for driving to and from work. I'm 6'4", and was just wondering if there is any legroom. I'm going to look at one next week, but would appreciate any information you can provide. Also, is the diesel difficult to start in cold weather? Thanks.,
  • I know the Beetle has more headroom, and think the legroom would be simular.
  • Are dealers willing to accept an offer of invoice price plus maybe $300 for VW Golf?
    Any suggestions for dealers in No. Calif who will go for this kind of price?
  • btp1btp1 Posts: 3
    Looking to buy an Golf GL Coupe. has upped the price recently and has them listed as "Limited Availability" in CA. The dealers don't seem to carry too many of them in the area. One salesman said they stopped production. Any of you folks know if this is true?
  • I drove a volkswagen for the first time and I fell in love with the way it drives, that tight feeling to the steering and the way the car feels heavy and takes corners perfectly. I was going to buy a golf when i could afford it, but they changed the way it looks slightly and I am not sure I want it anymore. My question is what other kind of car drives that way? Is it only german cars? thanks in advance for any comments.
  • Hey rlferret:

    I'm a six-footer and my '98 Golf GL has plenty of legroom. I don't even have the seat back all the way. Headroom is excellent, too.

  • aqueenaqueen Posts: 15
    I've already got the Monsoon radio system with capability of CD control and am thinking of geting the CD changer installed. I've been looking into the retail market but most of the models come with the dash (which i think i don't need as the monsoon comes with the control). I don't know what parts I need and am trying to contact the dealer. I heard that the cost would be high if I ask dealer to do it. Any tips on prices and parts would be highly appreciated.

    Thanks a lot!!
  • mlinkmlink Posts: 7
    For what I can tell VW's are a little picky as to which CD Changers you can use. I know Panasonic makes several that are compatible (I've been told they make the one VW sells) there are also a few others. Check out the sound system forum at, you should be able to find all your answers there.
  • Until last night I was the proud owner of a '97 Golf GL with the 2.0 engine. It was totaled last night in an accident that I am simply glad to have walked away from. The insurance company is giving me a good price for it, and because of the good job that the Golf did in saving my life, I would like to get another one, most likely GLS. My question is this- will I notice the difference between the 1.8t and the 2.0, given that I've driven the 2.0 for the last three years? I'm kind of set on an automatic, so I'm not looking at TDI because I feel that would lower the gas mileage. Thanks all.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I am glad that you are okay after the accident. VWs are about the safest small cars on the road, according to the IIHS offset crash tests (more accidents occur offset an head-on too). The difference between the 2.0 and 1.8T is HUGE (having driven both). The 1.8T has plenty of reserve power for passing that the 2.0 doesn't have. But be prepared to use premium gas in it. If you are happy with a 2.0 and used to it, it will be fine. But if you want more, go for the 1.8T.

    The TDI's gas mileage is lower with the automatic, but it's still astounding. Keep in mind, though, that diesel fuel is more expensive than regular gasoline (and even premium sometimes), and it smells god awful when refueling too (experience from filling up a rental moving truck about a month ago with it). Also, there is different maintenance for diesel engines, and I know for a fact oil changes are more expensive. Some other things may be too. Check out the site for more info on the VW TDI engine.

  • As with an ealier message, I'm curious to see if VW is planning on any body style updates for the Golf.
    Also, what exactly does this monsoon system do? Does the Golf suffer from not having rear speakers?
  • I was wondering if anyone had had any positive or negative experiences with vw dealers in the cleveland area? I live about 40 miles west of cleveland, and am getting ready to buy a golf, and hoped someone might have some advice on places to check out (or avoid!). Thanks.
  • mpgmanmpgman Posts: 723
    The choice is down to a 2.0 Golf GLS or a Civic EX. Civic has the reliability and resale reputation, as well as mileage in the 30s with an automatic. I want to be convinced to buy the Golf. Anyone help out there? Thanks.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    Would you rather save some MPGs and get a Civic and live life boringly, or get a Golf, have some great twisty-road fun, and lose some MPGs? Also, the Golf includes free maintenance for 2 years or 24K. Don't forget to add that into the equation.
  • If you're considering a 2.0 Golf vs Civic EX, take the Civic. It's got a better, more responsive engine. However, if you're willing to take a hit on gas mileage(and willing to use higher octane gas), take a look at the Golf 1.8T.
  • btp1btp1 Posts: 3
    the mileage is nice in the civic, but it's not as safe, and it's trunk is far less usefull than a hatch. it'll be quicker than a golf, but if you get a 5 speed golf, the power will be sufficient. i wouldn't get an automatic golf -that thing will be gutless. golf also has much better powertrain warranty. if i were you, i'd get the golf, but don't buy an auto.
  • i bought a 2000 vw golf gls 2.0 ,5-speed in october. since then i've put almost 9,000 miles on it, mostly highway driving. i absolutely love it! the car is rock solid on the long drives and also around town. some folks say the 2.0 motor is too slow but i have found it to be just fine for normal driving. my previous car was a '97 saab 900 turbo 5-speed. now that car was a lot faster than the golf, but i enjoy driving the golf more. the hatchback design, bulletproof engine, good gas milage and overall vw quality are what made me buy the golf over the civic( i looked at the 2000 and 2001 civics). i am very happy with my decision! hope my rambling helps in your decision-good luck.
  • mlinkmlink Posts: 7
    I was between the Civic and Golf, but Honda has nothing to compete with the TDI and yes I bought the auto (besides the Civic had one of the cheapest looking interiors next the bottom of the line Saturn and was going to cost me $600 more a year in insurance). It still gets great milage, and if you are driving on the highway you only get hit with a 4/5 mpg penalty. (darn I can only get 45 mpg) It's true that the TDI's maintance costs are higher, but take into account fuel savings over several years and you make it back plus the purchase price (note diesel at truck stops costs around the same to a little more and recently cheaper than 87 octane. You also get used to the smell remember gas doesn't have the great of a smell either we've just been smelling it all our lives). The break even point is around 60,000-80,000 miles as compared to a $1000+ cheaper 2.0. Also look at longevity, its not at all rare for a diesel to go over 300,000 miles as long as it is well serviced.

    As for the no speakers in the back, my Golf sounds just like my other half's Jetta. I havn't looked around for all of the speakers, but they must be somewhere. :)
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,868
    Mileage of Golf TDI Auto is 34/45
    Mileage of Civic HX Auto is 35/40

    HP of Golf TDI = 90
    HP of Civic HX = 117

    Purchase cost of comparable cars as of 02/16/01 on CarsDirect website

    Golf TDI $17,770 This is for GL 2 Door Auto
    Civic HX $13,831 This is for HX 2 Door Auto

    Golf TDI requires new timing belt every 40,000 miles, requires synthetic oil, requires brake fluid every 2yr/24,000 miles. And a timing belt is around $350 including labor.

    Civic requires first tuneup at 105,000 miles.

    Diesel fuel today is $1.57 in my area.
    Unleaded is $1.25.

    Over 100,000 miles the fuel cost based on hiway mileage and above fuel costs would be;

    $3488.00 for Golf
    $3125.00 for Civic

    $700.00 can be added to Golf for the two timing belt replacements.

    So you will save $3939 on the Honda at purchase, $700 for timing belts you won't buy, and save $363 on fuel after driving 100,000 miles.

    Buy the Civic and you will also have an extra 27 HP compared to Golf TDI.

    You won't have to buy your fuel at truckstop if you buy Civic.

    Quality of Civic is generally considered to be superior to the Golf.

    There are more Honda dealerships than there are VW dealerships in USA.

    Civic is assembled by American workers, Golf is assembled in Brazil or Mexico.

    Ergonomics are better in Civic than in Golf. IMO.

    Golf is more fun to drive. IMO.

    If VW makes you happy, then get a VW, but if cost and performance are your criteria, get the Honda.

    mlink - do you really want to drive ANY car for 300,000 miles?
  • mdrivermdriver Posts: 385
    The above message is a brilliant account of the savings by choosing Civic over TDI. TDI makes no sense in a country where gas is cheap like the US. You are dead right about driving a car with 300,000 miles. Sure the engine might be running, but what about the rest of the car? Don't get me wrong, I like the Golf more than the Civic in terms of style, ergonomics and build quality (that last one not to be confused with reliability which still lags the Civic's). But the golf in non-GTI form is not particularly entertaining to drive, nor is the Civic in any form. For that, one should buy a Sentra SE.

    One last point about horsepower comparisons. The TDI's engine as gobs of low end torque and behaves in an entirely different manner to the the high revving Civic engine. The TDI will leave tire tracks on the road when accelerating from a stop, leaving the Civic (and its additional 27HP) sputtering. But once moving, the Civic will probably close the gap. In urban driving, the TDI is more suitable. But don't buy one because you think you will save $ in fuel costs over a Civic.
  • Thanks for the tips. I ended up buying a left over 2000 Golf GLS 2.0 automatic last night at a great dealer in Nashville, TN. Highly reccommend both the car and the dealer. I'm going for a nice long drive today to check her out. I'm still a little punchy turning across traffic, but I feel safer in my new Golf. The side impact air bags and ABS were a must for me, which would have made for a very expensive Civic. When you take safety into account, the Golf is a good value. Anyone out there get the in dash CD player? I'm thinking of adding that next. I know an aftermarket unit would be cheaper, but I like the factory look.
  • mikusmikus Posts: 109
    Who said Golf design is boring or dated? Edmund's "experts"? Do they have arts education? Even if yes, do you care what they said? Don't you have your own opinion? Believe only to numbers. Every statement that cannot be measured, contains implicit "IMHO". Golf has well-known proportions and all this attention to smallest details. IMHO, of course ;-) If you want "styling", look at Pontiac Grand Am, for example. Functionality and clean lines are traditional european features. I love Golf. I should buy it instead of boring Camry, bad 1997 copy of 1986 Alpha 164.
    Considering pricing, our dealership was giving away 2K rebate on 2000 model last October (but only for 2.0L). It is 1K below invoice. But 1.8T is _much_ better. And, surprisingly, less noisy.
  • mdrivermdriver Posts: 385
    Pontiac Grand Am stylish? What it needs is some more plastic body cladding. How very UN-European it is. VWs are selling like hot cakes in the US, but Grand Ams are are nowhere to be seen Europe, or anywhere else in the world for that matter.
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