Might as well vent my frustration as all of you have with my 2004 Durango hemi Limiited. Yep, it ran like a champ and had no issues for 106K miles, which is when i guess Dodge decided that a car only needed to last until. In any case, my wife just went to start it one day and heard in her words, "an explosion". She was pretty close to right, since the rod went through the oil pan and blew a huge piece of the block out. I will also mention that I am anal about how my service records are and about how the car looks inside and out. Anyway my mechanic took the motor apart and low and behold, the motor was in perfection condition. "Brand new" were the words he used (except for the really big hole in it). So all that you have heard about sludge build up, overheating and whatever other crap they have thrown out there to cover their butts, is just that. I had pictures taken of all angles and submitted them to Dodge. It didn't take long, no not to get them to contact me, but to say, "sorry". Well 6 grand later I have a new motor and a 3 year warranty on parts & labor through my mechanic (you didn't think I would have Dodge do the work did you). I did have to mention that I got all this taken care of before Dodge contacted me. Here's the best part, they said they MIGHT have been able to help me if I had the work done at one of their service centers. That's a good one. Have them take it apart, give me a bunch of baloney and THEN tell me they can't help me. Oh and charge me twice what my mechanic did. Well vacations and whatever else are gone for a few years, but at least I have a dependable motor to go along with the great looking exterior. I was lucky in that it happened near my home, but to those out there going long distances in their 2004, take along a check book and have the tow truck number handy...
I just had pretty much the exact thing happen to mine only mine happened in the middle of an intersection same problem with a rod. I did some research and found several websites similar to this with many posts alike. I called Dodge and they told me there was nothing they could do. I think we should all get together and file a class action to get some of the money back that we have all put in my cost was just over $5000. Maybe if consumers got together more and went united to a company we would get answers.
I would love to find an attorney and file a class action suit few problems...1) we all have to find a safe place to put all contact info for an attorney...2) probably need to find an attorney in Michigan since that's the headquarter for Chrysler/Dodge but may be able to find one licensed in several mid-west states. I think this situation should be addressed this is a safety issue since my engine blew in the middle of a busy intersection with 6 kids in the car at the time.
Our Durango, family car for 6 of us, also died yesterday. It worked perfectly the day before and no dashboard alerts ie: Oil, engine lights displayed but when the engine turned over it sounded like rocks were in a dryer under the hood.
We babied the auto, had a extended warranty that ran out right before. The best is that we don't owe on the car but now we are out of a car, with 6 kids I thought we could have at least had this car for a while.
We also have one of the clunkers. I called Dodge the day after , I think on 9/21. This was after I called NHTSA. The number they gave me to call Chrysler/Dodge is 1-800-992-1997. I called again yesterday and was told that they are not aware of the problem. They can't go into other web sites with reports,or so she says. And when I said that I want an investigation and believe that Dodge should cover the cost she again said they have no reports of this problem. So I said everyone has to report it to you also, right? She said yes. I told her to be prepared for an on slaught of calls. I am going to call daily. I tried to post this on that other site where all the Dodges are listed. I also talked to a "Lemon" Lawyer. Waste of time. NHTSA also said to call your state consumer advocate. Pass on the info. 10/2 3pm, I just spoke with Dodge again and she said it is most important to get it diagnosed by a Chrysler/Dodge dealer. That is how the company gets the info so that the NTShA can investigator and recall them.
out dodge crapped out over a year ago. i got the same response, there are no other reports, they are not aware of the problem. i had a lawyer friend even write a letter and got nothing. i contacted the news and they wouldn't do anything, i filed the compliants with NTHSA and nothing. i have been getting the updates from this forum for over a year and am still amazed at how many compliants / instances of this happening is out there. it still makes me sick that dodge can put such a piece of crap on the road and then deny any knowledge of what a piece of crap it is.....why else did they stop making them for years!!!!!
I too have had the value of my vehicle STOLEN by Dodge and their poor quality HEMI engine. We had only 114k miles on the vehicle, all of which were easy miles. No towing, no off road, mostly easy unloaded local trips and alot of highway miles. We maintained the vehicle with frequent oil changes. To no avail. No warning and no reason, we went out to start the Durango and were greeted by a loud banging engine. Our mechanic says the engine is a total loss. Given the cost for a replacement engine plus installation, the vehicle is effectively totalled. We loved the Durango especially in the winter when we needed it the most. Now we are stuck with a piece or scrap metal. Thanks Chrysler / Dodge. And the fact that you claim to know nothing of the problems, is more of a disgrace. Step up and make the replacement engines available at a reasonable cost so we all dont suffer. If there is a class action suit, I want to join. They should not get away with this.
I am in the same boat as all of you are with my 04 Limited Durango. It had 140K miles and the engine shot. Main bearing spun and lifter stuck open. Who can afford the price of these engines? My question is you go and pay the $2400+ for a used engine and the same thing happens again when you hit 140-160,000 miles? Then what? You are out the money again? I would also be willing to join. I had no idea how common this problem was until I got online to search for an engine. I have a car that I still owe $4K on and no money to replace the engine.
Bimmerdriver - Sorry to hear that you too have been victimized. I was in the same boat as you as my engine crapped out right around 135K miles despite regular oil changes. I too had no option other than to put in a used engine ($3900 after labor), donate the vehicle to charity and take a tax deduction, or let it sit in my driveway. My understanding is that the problem really only exists on the 2004 hemi which was the first year that that engine was used. Fortunately my mechanic was able to find a late 2005 engine with 60K miles on it and I've had no problems since. I'm up to 130K miles on that engine now but I'm very reluctant to drive it on long trips for fear that the same thing will happen again. If you do end up replacing the engine on yours, make sure that you get a later manufactured engine. If it were my everyday car, I'd get rid of it ASAP. The thing that really irks me is that Chrysler-Dodge has trained its customer service people to flat out lie with a straight face and claim that they have no complaints or evidence of the '04 having any history of engine failures.
I just got told that my (i thought it was wonderful)2005 Dodge Durango with 117k miles on it had a bad main bearing and rod and i need a new engine. I have made sure that I changed the oil and maintained it as needed and was shocked when i was told that I hadn't maintained it properly. I'm happy, if you can call it, that it seems to a standard with these engines to fail. I have had to replace the instrument panel 3 times for failures (luckily its on the recall list). I also have had problems with the engine light coming on and off, with the mechanics unable to determine why. I have had a leak everytime it rains into the fuse box, which I also have had to replace. i don't feel so bad now, but expected to get at least 150k miles use. All of my previous vehicles i have been able to get between 175k and 200k, so i'm shocked that i have to go get a new car at this point. But i'm not getting a Dodge.
Our '04 Durango has nearly 170k miles on it. It is paid for but we had to borrow money from the inlaws to pay for replacing the engine in Sept 2010. I would like to sell it or trade it in but technically they have a lien on it in a certain respect. The biggest reason I want to get rid of it really isn't reliability; it is operating cost. 7 quarts of Mobil 1 at every oil change, expensive tires, it gets about 15 MPG around town. It is just to costly when gas is typically $3.50 a gallon (Thanks Obama). It is a shame. I have a 85 Dodge Ramcharger that is rock solid reliable and has been totally neglected as far as regular maintenance for years. I'm putting the wife in a car of some type and I will continue to drive the old Ramcharger when I need to. The Durango is going up for sale ASAP.
yup same thing happened to me ,started the car after being away for the weekend and it sounded like a wrench in the engine. mech says its the wrist pin or connecting rod. no warning, no issue or prior warning or failure. computer says engine was perfect order .mech says he cant explain why? im screwed and i am not going to put a new engine in this unless dodge steps up. and i will tell anyone i know about this problem ,... and i know a few:) any help here on this forum would be welcome and is there a class action suit pending and where do i sign>? james
I bought an 04 Ram 1500 Hemi that had around 80K miles on it when I bought it in Oct 2010. It was AWESOME the first year and a half I had it, only minor repairs i.e battery, idler pulley, ignition switch. I did regular maintenance on it as well as oil changes. then in early April 2012 I was driving home after running some errands, the truck had run great all day just like normal, but about 8 miles from house I hear this "THUNK" and I have no power!!!! I called someone to tow it home that night. I did thankfully have another car to drive. In the months since I have been slowly tearing the engine apart with my Dad, this week we finally pulled the heads and discovered that my # 6 piston was completely disintegrated and had punched a hole in my block! My original thought was that this was just a random fluke and it was just mine, but after reading this I see that it was not just mine! I see that there has been some talk of filing a class action lawsuit against Chrysler, If you guys do this I would definitely want in on it!!!! this is ridiculous for an engine that has no more miles than this and had been properly maintained. My parents have a 1999 Ford F150 that has almost 300K on it and has not been maintained nearly as well... as my Dad puts it "it has been run hard and put up wet" this engine has run like a CHAMP! it even still has the original battery in it!
I have unfortunately now joined the club of those 2004 Durango owners with a 5.7 hemi with sub-100k miles with blown engine. My experience was very similar to others who posted here. Durango running fine in morning. Got in car in evening, turned key and heard horrible metal on metal/rocks type sound. Diagnosis-severe engine damage caused puncture to oil pan. Service guy claimed to never have heard of this problem before, claimed not to know what punctured the oil pan, and made special note on diagnosis that oil was "dirty" and "2,000 miles past scheduled oil change." It was as if they were trying to protect themselves. Earlier this year, in June, I had taken Durango in to the dealer for a steering problem, but opted to go to an independent garage for the fix--and had my oil changed there. So-claim of past due oil change was completely inaccurate.
To fix this will cost me over $5,000 dollars-scandalous.
I called the NHTSA today to report this. EVERYONE who has had this problem needs to report it both to them and to dodge. If enough of us report it they will have to issue a recall on this engine. And I figure if everyone who has posted in this forum does this they will have to listen.
I called the NHTSA today to report this (MAKE SURE YOU CALL). EVERYONE who has had this problem needs to report it both to them and to dodge. If enough of us report it they will have to issue a recall on this engine. And I figure if everyone who has posted in this forum does this they will have to listen.
I too have a 2004 Durango with a blow rod and have been told by our dealer that it is not common and it would be over $6000 for them to install a new motor. My after market warranty refuses to pay for the replacement even though we have maintained the car to the recommended standards. We use Amsoil in all of our cars and have never had any problems and commonly drive cars to over 200,000 miles with no engine issues. We had our oil tested just like the other Amsoil user posted and water and metal contaminates were also found, though the oil had just been changed just before this happened. No warnings just some light intermittent ticking was heard and while the car was being driven around town one of the rods broke and it sounded like someone left a tool in the motor it sounds horrible! We had also experienced some engine stalling for no apparent reason just like other posters have experienced - no warning lights and the car would restart just fine. If there is a class action or we should contact someone to help us, please let us know.
Call dodge directly first of all file a complaint with them. Second call the NHTSA and file a complaint with them. NHTSA has to file a recall if they get enough complaints.
No I guess Im not Ive written letters made phone calls and no one even calls back or responds. We are finally looking into just having the motor rebuilt - I'm hesitant to put a remanufactured or rebuilt motor cause it sounds like we will have the same problem. I'm still trying to appeal to the warranty company but that hasn't gone anywhere either. Its very disappointing because I really love driving the truck - it was my mid life crisis car lol. Kids getting older and sick of the mini van!
My warranty company said it was because we chose to do the oil changes ourselves. We use Amsoil and keep very good records and even had the oil tested ourselves and our dealer even spoke to them on our behalf and stood behind our upkeep and any repairs made to the truck. We have had an attorney friend talk to them too and it hasn't gotten anywhere. Good luck - sorry I dont have better news.
Well I am now one of the UNHAPPY 2004 Dodge Durango owners with a 5.7 hemi engine failure. Turned off vehicle to fill up with gasoline. Vehicle restarted fine and drove for approx 1 mile when I started hearing a "ticking" sound. This lasted for several seconds and stopped as fast as it came on. After going approx 3 miles further a loud banging noise started. This noise sounded as though something was in the engine beating around. Parked the vehicle and called a tow truck to take my truck to a local garage. When the vehicle was moved there was a small puddle of oil on the pavement but nothing that would suggest a thrown rod. Upon examination of the engine at the garage it was determined that a rod was in fact thrown and it would require replacing the engine to the tune of $5,400. This vehicle has been taken care of with regular oil changes and maintenance and had 91,000 miles on it. Who do I need to contact in regards to filing a complaint. So far I have gotten no where.
hey it cost 5000 for a rebuilt engine money i do not have i went to start my SUV up and all heard was clunk cluck and that was it end of story no one well pay for it so i am stuck with the SUV that i have 5 months to pay it off ant that some [non-permissible content removed]
We purchased our 2004 Dodge Durango with 5.71 Hemi brand new and have performed all Owner's Manual recommended maintenance. The last time we operated the Durango it ran like it always had from the day we purchased it. Two days later on October 31, 2012, my wife left to go to work. When she attempted to start the car it started knocking and engine oil started to come out of the bottom of the engine. Upon inspection I discovered a hole in the engine block. Looking at $5,000-7,000 to repair. This vehicle is showing 98,000 miles and had been used primarily as a commuter vehicle for my wife. We have since purchased a replacement vehicle and have a large very dead Durango in our driveway. Would be interested in joining a class action suit or getting any information about who to contact to file a complaint.
Description CHRYSLER IS RECALLING CERTAIN MODEL YEAR 2012 CHRYSLER VEHICLES, INCLUDING 200 AND TOWN AND COUNTRY MODELS, DODGE VEHICLES, INCLUDING CHARGER, DURANGO, GRAND CARAVAN AND JOURNEY MODELS AND JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE VEHICLES MANUFACTURED FROM AUGUST 31, 2011, THROUGH SEPTEMBER 13, 2011, THAT ARE EQUIPPED WITH 3.6L ENGINES. THESE ENGINES MAY EXPERIENCE CONNECTING ROD BEARING FAILURE DUE TO DEBRIS INSIDE THE ENGINE BLOCK.
Consequence CONNECTING ROD FAILURE MAY LEAD TO ENGINE SEIZURE WHICH MAY INCREASE THE RISK OF A CRASH.
Remedy CHRYSLER WILL NOTIFY OWNERS AND REPLACE THE ENGINE FREE OF CHARGE. THE SAFETY RECALL IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN ON OR ABOUT NOVEMBER 18, 2011. OWNERS MAY CONTACT CHRYSLER AT 1-800-853-1403.
Potential Units Affected 667
Notes CHRYSLER GROUP LLC L33
So how come the 2004 hemi's aren't recalled??? I going to ask dodge that question.
And asked about why 2012 vehicles were recalled for the same problem as the many 2004,etc. 5.7L hemi engine. Call dodge and complain, then go ro your states A.G.'s office and file a complaint.
It will cost them tens of millions of dollars to do the right thing. I see these vehicles for sale on EBay and wish I could warn the bidders offering thousands of dollars for a low mileage 04-05 Durango. Ticking time-bombs are what they are.
I've been following this line for some time now. I'm sure glad I decided to build an old Ind. 331 and NOT go with the Gen3 for my current Hot-Rod. I looked at a blown-up 5.7 with it's internals spread on a bench all neat and clean. Total carnage. Rods are made from WHAT? They look like powdered metal. Piston skirts have cracks near the pin boss. Top ring groove almost gone. Crank "BENT"??? What I have seen is possibly NOT internal failure but maybe, MAYBE, a fuel/air ratio problem. It looks for all I can tell that the engine grew metal-mites from a lean burn, took out the top ring on 6 of 8 pistons, then devoured the piston down to the pin and decided it had overstuffed and puked. Total feed time, maybe 10-15 seconds. I saw this in the early '70's with a 426. THAT engine was a pro-built by a shop with a color in its name, and needless to say these guys knew what they were doing. The problem arose when a piece of road debris got stuck under the secondary's linkage and leaned the engine out to the point of destruction. a lean-burn diet did $12,000 damage to a perfect engine. Just something to consider b-4 you go dropping the trap door on an engine line. It may be the fault of the computer code writer or just a faulty fuel delivery system. I hope someone has been checking the computer ground wire, the source of MANY problems. Just some points to ponder, I know I have missed some of these things in 50 years of Hot-Rodding, I hope it helps.
This guy broke down a defective HEMI, I am sure this relates to all of us and the reasons why we had a connecting rod failure resulting in a hole in the engine block.
" I saw this in the early '70's with a 426. THAT engine was a pro-built by a shop with a color in its name, and needless to say these guys knew what they were doing. "
Lemme guess; Keith Black?
Had a buddy that raced Chevys with 409s in the old days. Keith Black built his engines; made over 500hp.
Yeah, I did the same exploration since I have been building MoPar engines for over 20 years. I was shocked at the cheap internals of the 3rd gen Hemi. Before the 3rd gen hit the market I did a lot of reading on it's design aspects and on paper it was a win-win. A real game changer. Until they decided to stuff it full of cracker jack prize internal parts. There are several theories why these fail. Keep it mind it is mainly DURANGOs that suffer from this which makes it all the more mysterious. Why since this same engine went in trucks and cars is a mystery. One theory is concerning an issue with the design of the '04 cowl that can allow water to leak on top of the engine and somehow this water is getting inside the intake. I noticed this issue with mine. And I would get a "ignition misfire" code sometimes. But if water gets on the ignition coil or wires that could easy ground the spark, or cause an arc that would register as a misfire. As far as water getting into the engine it would have operating with a massive vacuum leak in the intake track. This would mean very poor running and a code for a lean condition. I never hear of this happening so water getting into the engine while running sounds pretty far fetched if it is leaking form the cowl. The conclusion I came to was just bad metallurgy. Very poor quality control when they produced the powered metal rods. All manufactures use these now with low failure rates; so you can't really claim this technique of making rods is inferior. I just think there are some batches of rods made that didn't get checked for quality. Are they as good as old fashion forged rods?? Not by a long shot. But powered steel rods are much lighter and cheaper to make. A must for smaller displacement engines since it is important they reach the high "power band" quickly. This new generation of small displacement high power (greater than 1HP per cubic inch) likely could not make the same power number without the lightweight powered steel rods. Example. My current project is a '02 Chrysler Sebring with a 2.7L v6. It measures 165 cu.in. in displacement at makes 200hp AT THE WHEELS. That is amazing.
You touched on an issues I think might have something to do with these failures. There are several recalls on '04 Durango for transmission controller firmware updates. One of the main problems is engine lugging because the transmission controller does not downshift when it should in certain situations. For instance where you encounter a steep hill and you are going less than 30 mph. Engine lugging is very hard on connecting rods.
I have recently dealt with two of these blown 5.7l Hemi engines in Durangos at my shop. One was an early 2005, the other a 2004. On the 2005, the engine ran fine the night before. The next morning it was tight. The customer took it to another garage where it was diagnosed as a starter. When the tech put a new starter in it proceeded to throw #7 rod through the block and pan. The 2004 also bent a rod after sitting overnight. Again the #7 rod. However, this one did not break the rod completely. I did not investigate further on the 2005 Durango as the engine was sent back as a core. After pulling the head on the 2004 it appears as if there was some "steam cleaning" of the combustion chamber. Are these problems possibly due to leaking head gaskets causing hydrolocking? I would like to hear from anyone who knows which cylinder failed on their Hemi. Have they all been on the rear 2 cylinders? A Toyota tech friend informed me that they have a similar issue on some of their V6's in the 4Runners. "Weeping" of coolant into the rear two cylinders. I would like to somehow pin point a cause of all this. Maybe it is just bad metallurgy.
I had the same problem with my 5.7 2006 I took the engine apart and found the valve seat came loose and dropped down under the valve then the piston hit the valve then sent rod thru block 72,000 miles and of course the dealer NEVER saw anything like this, how do you wish to pay for your new engine check, cash or credit card on this $40.000 dollar ride that the engine failed on before it was even paided for.
I originally posted on November 12 about my blown 2004 hemi. I opted to have a new engine installed (a 2005 hemi--with 86 k) to the tune of about 4.8k. The guy who installed said that it was indeed a rod that did the damage-rod no 7 to be exact-in the back of the engine which "starved' the engine of oil. I did file a complaint with Chrysler and have received the typical run around. They said it was a 'dealer" call as to whether to offer assistance. Not surprisingly, the dealer has never called. I will be avoiding Chrysler like the plague when it comes time to purchase my next vehicle.
I had a warranty replacement motor installed in March 2012. I still had 1000 dollars out of pocket expense. I was told when I purchased the extended warranty that it covered all costs at a price of 2500. I had the #7 rod to blow thru the motor while it was idling with no previous problems. I had to take the Durango back a couple of times to Landers Mclarty in Huntsville AL. due to oil leaks in the rear main seal and the head gasket. Now it is 8 months into this motor and it has spun a bearing. It was fine when I parked it the night before but when I started it the next morning it sounded like a wrench beating the motor. I immediately shut it off. Now I still owe 5000 on the hunk of junk with another screwed up motor. SHOULD HAVE KEPT MY CHEVY BLAZER!!!! I AM ALL IN ON A CLASS ACTION SUIT!!!!!!!
"SHOULD HAVE KEPT MY CHEVY BLAZER!!!! I AM ALL IN ON A CLASS ACTION SUIT!!!!!!!"
I'm getting sick of hearing this. A class action lawsuit will get you NOTHING. They are designed to enrich LAWYERS not the plaintiffs. There is typically a settlement between the defendant and the LAWYERS for $XXX dollars. The lawyer fees will consume the MAJORITY of it and the money left will be divided among the actual injured parties. And it will likely be a few dollars. You would get almost NOTHING; the case you had against Chrysler is now settled, they got off cheap and the lawyers are laughing their [non-permissible content removed] off because another group of suckers fell for their scam.
I understand you feel ripped off. I understand you feel powerless. My best advise for those who are not in a position to administer the repair of their vehicle themselves would be to SELL IT, trade it in etc, etc. Don't ever buy a Chrysler again.
Dodge will never admit to this problem. Furthermore Chrysler changed hands (remember Diamler Benz bought them) then the bail out. There is nothing they will ever do unless the media decides to turn its viral eye on this subject. The only thing we can do is NEVER BUY A CHRYSLER PRODUCT AGAIN AND TELL EVERYONE YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS SO THEY WONT SUPPORT THIS SCAM OF A COMPANY. Nowadays the slick add campaigns and sleek styling is hooking consumers once more on their products. They are making a comeback they they do not deserve to have.
Just wondering what came of the 04 Durango. My 04 just started doing something similar. So my wife cranked it and it started vibrating real bad and making a clunking noise. She immediately killed it. I got home from work and she told me what had happened. so i went out to crank it so see what was goin on and i immediately shut it off cuz it sounded something awful. i was just wondering what u did with the 2004 and if it was salvagable. i just need to know if i have to completely replace the engine or if a rebuild is possible. i believe that it hasnt thrown the rod through the oil pan or block, but i dont know for sure. i would appreciate any help. i dont have much more info cuz it just happened today.
My 04 hemi blew a piston drivers side 3rd one back... The biggest piece of the piston that was left was 2 inches... The rest ended up in my oil pan. I'm having to put a long block in mine because the damage to the head and valve wall are too severe for just a short block. Have you drained your oil pan? Is there anti freeze in your oil if you have? Hope this helps!
I left a complaint on NHTSA just last week. Here is a copy of it.
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Report Date : December 21, 2012 at 12:21 AM ODI Numbers Searched: 10489071
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Make : DODGE Model : DURANGO Year : 2004 Manufacturer : Chrysler Group LLC Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0 ODI ID Number : 10489071 Number of Deaths: 0 Date Complaint Filed: December 17, 2012 Date of Incident: September 19, 2012 VIN : Not Available Component: ENGINE Summary: HOW MANY MORE DODGE DURANGO 2004 IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO INVESTIGATE. CHRYSLER IS RECALLING 2012 VEHICLES FOR THE SAME PROBLEM, WHAT MOST OF THE COMPLAINTS ARE ABOUT, ENGINE FAILURE, BLOWN ROD . IS IT GOING TO TAKING SOMEONE GETTING KILLED TO WAKE YOU UP? SEEMS LIKE SOMEONE IS NOT DOING THEIR JOB . DOESN'T ANYONE READ THE CMPLAINTS OTHER THAN OTHER 2004 DODGE OWNERS?
Of course it is the only complaint even though the only difference with the complaint I made in the fall is I did not put the VIN # in. Maybe if more people complain or question why no one is doing anything maybe that will make someone take notice. If anyone else wants to leave a message like this please do. When I left my first complaint the count was around 450. Last time I looked it is in the 700's.
If your engine has not failed in a major way (big hole in the side) likely it is repairable. First you need to find out what is the extent of the damage. A common failure is a broken valve spring and this will cause no compression on one cylinder and. This causes the engine to be out of balance and it will run very rough. If you hear a bang-bang-bang-bang-bang while it is running this is a rod bearing failure. But if the noise is loud clang, banging,and thumping, this could be a broken rod. I would suggest DO NOT START IT again. Have it evaluated by a GOOD mechanic. If the engine still runs it should be fixable as long as there isn't a big hole in it.
I had a bent rod at 53000 miles. I was lucky it was under warranty. The same scenario as everyone else, was running fine then started it up and that clunking sound started. I put on 25000 since the repair drove from NY to SC and back no problem so far. If it dies now so be it, get something else with better gas mileage not a Dodge that's for sure.
Wow! I feel for you guys who have problems with your 2004 model 5.7 engines. I had one 2005 limited with a Hemi, towed a trailer with a race car sometimes, and a Corvette at other times. I put 84K on the first one without issues, never, ever a trip back to the dealer after purchase. I changed oil myself and used mobil 1, 5w20 as reccommended, changed every 5K or so. I sold it 4 years ago and the new owner has over 100K, still pulling a trailer and race car.
I purchased a used 2006 with 35K miles on it, Limited model, same engine...Used it in the same manner, and put over 95K miles on it, again with no issues. It was still running great, looked and smelled new, and I received top trade in value for it when I traded it in on a new 2011 Citadel with Hemi. I don't drive as much as before, but still tow a race car on an open aluminum trailer and the new car has been flawless after 15K... I have absolutely no problem recommending these SUVs and pickup trucks, 2005 and newer...YMMV....
Thanks for the info. I have a 2005 Dodge Hemi with 94,000 miles. It is still running great after a transmission issue at around 75,000. I was a bit reluctant about keeping it much longer because of the problems with the 2004 models. I love the truck, so will keep it as long as I can.
Yeah, here is the issue. There is still no concrete answer WHY these engines are failing. There are theories bandied about but that is about all. The only answer I can come up with is just bad metallurgy; a lot of rods failed to get checked and went into engines destined for Durangos. But does that really make sense? This is the same engine that went into pickups and the Jeep vehicles with Hemis, they do not have the same issues. Only Durangos. It gets more murky the closer you look instead of more clear.
I'm strongly supporting the cowl panel leaking ontop of the engine theory. The last two customers I had with these both claim there was a rainstorm the night before they threw rod #7 on their 04 and 05 Durangos. I decided since this was the case in both scenarios, that I would dribble some water around the back of the intake to simulate the cowl panel leaking in a bad rainstorm. Sure enough the water drained right through the worn intake gasket and into the cylinders. One would think that an intake leak that would allow water through would also allow air through and create a mix issue and and a poorly performing engine. Perhaps the vacuum that is applied on start up pulls the gasket to the point of sealing enough. Either way, upon tearing the engine down the intake gaskets were in very poor condition on both vehicles. The amount of water being let through could easily accumulate to enough of a volume to hydrolock the engine and bend a rod. Can anyone else remember a rain storm before their engine failed? I would highly recommend that anyone who owns one of these to get the revised cowl panel (they were updated in 06, which ads to the theory of why the 04-05 models have this issue) and having the intake gaskets checked out. Cheap insurance in my opinion since the average cost of engine replacement is around $5500-$6500. I know I'm not the only mechanic trying seriously to figure this out. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Especially if others have had failure after a rain storm.
I have a 2004 Durango and have had issues after heavy rain with hydro lock. found water in the #1 cyinder. The cowel leaks water on top of engine. Next step for me is to remove the intake and check gaskets. :sick:
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We babied the auto, had a extended warranty that ran out right before. The best is that we don't owe on the car but now we are out of a car, with 6 kids I thought we could have at least had this car for a while.
I did file a complaint with Safecar.gov https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/ which I encourage all owners to document this with them.
They repaired this "known" issue in the next years version but not the 04.
I need a miracle to get a new car now. Best of luck to you all!
:sick: :mad:
It is paid for but we had to borrow money from the inlaws to pay for replacing the engine in Sept 2010. I would like to sell it or trade it in but technically they have a lien on it in a certain respect.
The biggest reason I want to get rid of it really isn't reliability; it is operating cost. 7 quarts of Mobil 1 at every oil change, expensive tires, it gets about 15 MPG around town. It is just to costly when gas is typically $3.50 a gallon (Thanks Obama).
It is a shame. I have a 85 Dodge Ramcharger that is rock solid reliable and has been totally neglected as far as regular maintenance for years. I'm putting the wife in a car of some type and I will continue to drive the old Ramcharger when I need to. The Durango is going up for sale ASAP.
mech says its the wrist pin or connecting rod.
no warning, no issue or prior warning or failure. computer says engine was perfect order .mech says he cant explain why?
im screwed and i am not going to put a new engine in this unless dodge steps up. and i will tell anyone i know about this problem ,... and i know a few:)
any help here on this forum would be welcome and is there a class action suit pending and where do i sign>?
james
To fix this will cost me over $5,000 dollars-scandalous.
This is an interesting post on motor oil.
This vehicle has been taken care of with regular oil changes and maintenance and had 91,000 miles on it.
Who do I need to contact in regards to filing a complaint. So far I have gotten no where.
Here is the link to this:
http://www.newcar.com/15/04/2012/dodge/durango/recalls/94173.html
Recall ID# 94173
Recall Date
SEP 29, 2011
Model Affected
2012 DODGE DURANGO
Description
CHRYSLER IS RECALLING CERTAIN MODEL YEAR 2012 CHRYSLER VEHICLES, INCLUDING 200 AND TOWN AND COUNTRY MODELS, DODGE VEHICLES, INCLUDING CHARGER, DURANGO, GRAND CARAVAN AND JOURNEY MODELS AND JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE VEHICLES MANUFACTURED FROM AUGUST 31, 2011, THROUGH SEPTEMBER 13, 2011, THAT ARE EQUIPPED WITH 3.6L ENGINES. THESE ENGINES MAY EXPERIENCE CONNECTING ROD BEARING FAILURE DUE TO DEBRIS INSIDE THE ENGINE BLOCK.
Consequence
CONNECTING ROD FAILURE MAY LEAD TO ENGINE SEIZURE WHICH MAY INCREASE THE RISK OF A CRASH.
Remedy
CHRYSLER WILL NOTIFY OWNERS AND REPLACE THE ENGINE FREE OF CHARGE. THE SAFETY RECALL IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN ON OR ABOUT NOVEMBER 18, 2011. OWNERS MAY CONTACT CHRYSLER AT 1-800-853-1403.
Potential Units Affected
667
Notes
CHRYSLER GROUP LLC L33
So how come the 2004 hemi's aren't recalled??? I going to ask dodge that question.
https://sites.google.com/site/blownuphemi/
Lemme guess; Keith Black?
Had a buddy that raced Chevys with 409s in the old days. Keith Black built his engines; made over 500hp.
Yeah, I did the same exploration since I have been building MoPar engines for over 20 years. I was shocked at the cheap internals of the 3rd gen Hemi.
Before the 3rd gen hit the market I did a lot of reading on it's design aspects and on paper it was a win-win. A real game changer. Until they decided to stuff it full of cracker jack prize internal parts. There are several theories why these fail. Keep it mind it is mainly DURANGOs that suffer from this which makes it all the more mysterious. Why since this same engine went in trucks and cars is a mystery. One theory is concerning an issue with the design of the '04 cowl that can allow water to leak on top of the engine and somehow this water is getting inside the intake.
I noticed this issue with mine. And I would get a "ignition misfire" code sometimes. But if water gets on the ignition coil or wires that could easy ground the spark, or cause an arc that would register as a misfire.
As far as water getting into the engine it would have operating with a massive vacuum leak in the intake track. This would mean very poor running and a code for a lean condition. I never hear of this happening so water getting into the engine while running sounds pretty far fetched if it is leaking form the cowl.
The conclusion I came to was just bad metallurgy. Very poor quality control when they produced the powered metal rods.
All manufactures use these now with low failure rates; so you can't really claim this technique of making rods is inferior. I just think there are some batches of rods made that didn't get checked for quality.
Are they as good as old fashion forged rods?? Not by a long shot. But powered steel rods are much lighter and cheaper to make. A must for smaller displacement engines since it is important they reach the high "power band" quickly. This new generation of small displacement high power (greater than 1HP per cubic inch) likely could not make the same power number without the lightweight powered steel rods. Example. My current project is a '02 Chrysler Sebring with a 2.7L v6. It measures 165 cu.in. in displacement at makes 200hp AT THE WHEELS. That is amazing.
You touched on an issues I think might have something to do with these failures.
There are several recalls on '04 Durango for transmission controller firmware updates. One of the main problems is engine lugging because the transmission controller does not downshift when it should in certain situations. For instance where you encounter a steep hill and you are going less than 30 mph. Engine lugging is very hard on connecting rods.
I AM ALL IN ON A CLASS ACTION SUIT!!!!!!!
I AM ALL IN ON A CLASS ACTION SUIT!!!!!!!"
I'm getting sick of hearing this.
A class action lawsuit will get you NOTHING.
They are designed to enrich LAWYERS not the plaintiffs. There is typically a settlement between the defendant and the LAWYERS for $XXX dollars. The lawyer fees will consume the MAJORITY of it and the money left will be divided among the actual injured parties. And it will likely be a few dollars.
You would get almost NOTHING; the case you had against Chrysler is now settled, they got off cheap and the lawyers are laughing their [non-permissible content removed] off because another group of suckers fell for their scam.
I understand you feel ripped off. I understand you feel powerless.
My best advise for those who are not in a position to administer the repair of their vehicle themselves would be to SELL IT, trade it in etc, etc.
Don't ever buy a Chrysler again.
Search Results
Report Date : December 21, 2012 at 12:21 AM
ODI Numbers Searched: 10489071
Results : 1 | All records displayed
Make : DODGE Model : DURANGO Year : 2004
Manufacturer : Chrysler Group LLC
Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
ODI ID Number : 10489071 Number of Deaths: 0
Date Complaint Filed: December 17, 2012 Date of Incident: September 19, 2012
VIN : Not Available
Component: ENGINE
Summary:
HOW MANY MORE DODGE DURANGO 2004 IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO INVESTIGATE. CHRYSLER IS RECALLING 2012 VEHICLES FOR THE SAME PROBLEM, WHAT MOST OF THE COMPLAINTS ARE ABOUT, ENGINE FAILURE, BLOWN ROD . IS IT GOING TO TAKING SOMEONE GETTING KILLED TO WAKE YOU UP? SEEMS LIKE SOMEONE IS NOT DOING THEIR JOB . DOESN'T ANYONE READ THE CMPLAINTS OTHER THAN OTHER 2004 DODGE OWNERS?
Of course it is the only complaint even though the only difference with the complaint I made in the fall is I did not put the VIN # in. Maybe if more people complain or question why no one is doing anything maybe that will make someone take notice. If anyone else wants to leave a message like this please do. When I left my first complaint the count was around 450. Last time I looked it is in the 700's.
First you need to find out what is the extent of the damage. A common failure is a broken valve spring and this will cause no compression on one cylinder and. This causes the engine to be out of balance and it will run very rough. If you hear a bang-bang-bang-bang-bang while it is running this is a rod bearing failure. But if the noise is loud clang, banging,and thumping, this could be a broken rod. I would suggest DO NOT START IT again. Have it evaluated by a GOOD mechanic. If the engine still runs it should be fixable as long as there isn't a big hole in it.
I purchased a used 2006 with 35K miles on it, Limited model, same engine...Used it in the same manner, and put over 95K miles on it, again with no issues. It was still running great, looked and smelled new, and I received top trade in value for it when I traded it in on a new 2011 Citadel with Hemi. I don't drive as much as before, but still tow a race car on an open aluminum trailer and the new car has been flawless after 15K... I have absolutely no problem recommending these SUVs and pickup trucks, 2005 and newer...YMMV....
The only answer I can come up with is just bad metallurgy; a lot of rods failed to get checked and went into engines destined for Durangos.
But does that really make sense? This is the same engine that went into pickups and the Jeep vehicles with Hemis, they do not have the same issues. Only Durangos. It gets more murky the closer you look instead of more clear.