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Ford Focus Wagon



  • jazvanjazvan Posts: 106
    Compared to a Honda Civic for example I think you are correct and you are more likely to have more of the "small to medium size" problems like you stated. I think the major powertain items though are at least as good as Civic from my observations. Then again, you do get a bumper to bumper warranty and a 60/100K mile powertrain warranty with $100 deductible in my case. I'm not sure what the deductible is currently. The only downside I have is now people accuse me of going "NASCAR" becuz it's a Ford.

  • carglowcarglow Posts: 91
    Well I currently own an 05 Corolla LE, but I could use the space the Focus Wagon provides.

    Do you think the Focus Wagon would compete favorably with the Corolla in terms of ride quality?
  • thaicatthaicat Posts: 19
    carglow; I too own a Corolla, mine is an 03 Sport, Last week I took a Focus Wagon and a Mazda 5 and my Corolla on a test drive down the exact same roads, one right after the other. The Mazda was the clear looser in this test, and the Focus seemed a little stiffer than my Corolla but not sharp and jarring as the Mazda was. I have a bad back and was able to find a very comfortable position in short order. Now bear in mind that this was only a 50 min test drive, so over the long haul....????? I love my Corolla but desperately need more cargo room and the Wagon is on the short list right now and will probably be my next vehicle. Just hope it is as comfy after 12 hours as it was after 50

    Hope this helps
  • carglowcarglow Posts: 91
    Thanks for the input, thaicat

    Wow ... that's surpising I thought the Mazda5 would outperform both the Corolla and Focus Wagon.

    The FW is the perfect size for my needs I really don't want a minivan. The FW seems to have considerable more room than the Matrix and the rear seats fold flatter ( I think ... can someone confirm this?)

    The deal on the FW with the family plan and rebates puts an SES with a MSPR of $19,400 for $15,100.

    My biggest concern about the FW at this point is resale value.
  • thaicatthaicat Posts: 19
    carglow; well.....the folks over on the Mazda5 Forum weren't happy with the review I gave of my test drive, but I was honest, honest, honest!!! There were 2 things that I was negative about and that was the comfort of the seats (and that is a personal thing after all) and the fact that in order to get cruise control, I would have to get the Touring model and this gets you 17 in tires, moonroof, some fancy stereo system and so on...... Everything else about the vehicle, I loved....:-))) It handles like a dream, is really a sharp looker, the sliding doors are awesome, BUT, if I am crippled when I get to Florida coming from Ontario, then the sharp looking wheels are a moot point...????

    The FW rear cargo area is flatter than anything else we have seen and the floor is perfectly even, whereas in the M5, there are nooks and crannies and gaps but it too is flat.

    We also do not want to do the SUV or minivan thing and the selection of wagons is poor, to say the least. So it is certainly looking like FW is my next car.

    As for pricing, I am Canadian, so not sure what you mean by rebates and family plans? but the cost here is lower than the M5 would be, for sure. And again, I agree the resale is poor, BUT sometimes we have to do what we have to do in order to get what we want, if that makes sense. For us, we would rather take a hit on resale, than go with the majority, and get the gas guzzling SUV or a minivan.

  • carglowcarglow Posts: 91
    In Canada you get the Yaris/Vitz hatchback don't you? Is that too small?

    I'm still undecided I still have to consider a Matrix. I'm scared to get the double whammy with trading in my Corolla and poor resale value of the Focus SW.

    I believe the Focus is a much improved car, but I'm not sure the general public recognizes that so resale value is going to suffer.
  • thaicatthaicat Posts: 19
    No we don't have the Yaris/Vitz....had to do a Google to see what it was and it looks like an Echo that we get here and yes that would be too small.

    Not sure how much cargo area you need but you will be very disappointed in the Matrix if you need what the Focus offers! There is no comparison at all. we looked, believe me as I would prefer to stick with the Toyota BUT they just don't make what we need.
  • carglowcarglow Posts: 91
    Yeah it looks like the Matrix has enough length, but it doesn't have enough height.

    Still want to check out the Chevy HHR too.
  • thaicatthaicat Posts: 19
    Oh my gosh....this is new to me!!!!
    This is such a cool vehicle...:-))))
    Have to do more research on it such as pricing, cargo area, gas mileage, etc.
    Have you done this yet on the HHR?
  • carglowcarglow Posts: 91
    Yes ... they have info here at Edmunds and there's also an HHR website. Google it, I don't think we're allowed to post websites here.
  • thaicatthaicat Posts: 19
    Thanks!! Got a lot of reading to do..........
  • jazvanjazvan Posts: 106
    Max cargo HHR = 63.1 cu ft
    FW = 73.7

  • thaicatthaicat Posts: 19
    thanks for the info on this, jazvan. As you know, cargo is a HIGH priority for me. And while I am not too impressed with the resale of the FW, I am not liking the idea of the HHR being a first year model and now you say it has 10 cu ft less space......mmmmmmm
  • jazvanjazvan Posts: 106
    You have a good point on the 1st year. Focus was basically an existing vehicle brought to North American manufacturing and it took a couple years to get it reasonably reliable. I would think Chevy HHR will be comparable.

    For me cargo was also high priority. We were looking at MPV's, Outbacks, mostly cars that were almost a foot longer then FW, and were really surprised when we started measuring inside the FW. Then we saw it had the 220lb rated roof rack which is at a height where I can actually use the rack. Then I realized we can sleep in the FW while camping if need be (45" almost as wide as the big minivans)... and I can easily fit it in the garage at 178". The footprint is about the same as a Civic, just a few inches longer.

    As for resale, of course the longer you own the car the less this will matter.

  • thaicatthaicat Posts: 19
    I believe that it was you that suggested I take a tape measure and compare the vehicles that I had on the short list?? I did this and was VERY surprised, and so were the dealers....LOL.

    While I think that the HHR is a very cool looking vehicle, we are almost 100% decided on the FW at this point. It just seems to have ALL that we need, while giving us GREAT mileage, the size of vehicle is what we want to drive around town, the roof racks and very reasonable cost.

  • raabooraaboo Posts: 1
    I couldn't agree more. We're buying a 2005 wagon this week, and I was SHOCKED by how ugly the dash is. I have a 2000 sedan and I love the dash. *sniff*

    The sales rep said "I hated it at first, but you'll get used to it."

    And the plastic/vinyl interior is totally cheap. is the price of the car. :)

    The value for me is under the hood on this one, and in the cargo space.
  • jazvanjazvan Posts: 106
    Hey, congrats. It's a smart choice. The new dash is probably a better layout, I just really like the flair of the old one. As much as I like my 04, you are also getting bigger brakes.
    BTW I'm finding all sorts of neat tricks like how to disable and enable the seat belt chimes. Keep us posted on how everything goes.

  • thaicatthaicat Posts: 19
    Jaz-Am going to order my 05 wagon probably this afternoon and would love to know all the neat tricks you have discovered......please share. :D

  • jazvanjazvan Posts: 106
    First of all, always wear your setbelts.

    From another site:

    #Before starting, make sure that:

    # The partking brake is set.
    # The car is in Park(automatic), Neutral(manual).
    # The ignition is OFF.
    # All doors are closed.
    # The driver's safety belt is un-buckled.
    # The parking and headlights are OFF.

    1) Turn the ignition switch to ON, but DO NOT START.

    2) Wait for the safety belt warning light to go OFF(1-2 minutes).
    Steps 3-5 MUST be completed within 60 seconds!

    3) Buckle, then un-buckle the driver's safety belt 3 times, ending with the belt un-buckled.

    4) Turn on the headlights, turn off the headlights.

    5) Buckle, then un-buckle the driver's safety belt 3 times, ending with the belt un-buckled.
    After step 5, the Safety Belt Warning Light will be turned on for 3 seconds.

    6) Within 7 seconds of the safety belt warning light turning OFF, buckle then un-buckle the safety belt. This will disable the Belt Minder if it is currently enabled, or enable the Belt Minder if it is currently disabled.

    Confirmation of the disabling of the Belt Minder is provided by flashing the safety belt warning light 4 times per seconds for 3 seconds. Confirmation of the enabling of the Belt Minder is provided by flashing the safety belt warning light 4 times per seconds for 3 seconds, followed by 3 seconds with the safety belt light off, then followed by flashing the safety belt light 4 times per second for 3 seconds again. After confirmation, the deactivation/activation of the Belt Minder procedure is complete.

    Procedure not recommended for people who need the seat belt reminder for themselves or passengers.
  • thaicatthaicat Posts: 19
    Thanks Jaz. Have printed this out for future reference.

    Ordered my new wagon this afternoon and will have delivery next Thurs.... :D

  • fchoyfchoy Posts: 3
    Currently checked out a few used 2005 focus wagons at a non-ford large dealership.
    I have noticed that on all of the four wagons concerning the following :

    1) On all four, the screws above the bump are visable, while the hatch door is closed.
    Is this common, and can this be fixed - DIY, or even covered under ford warranty ?

    2) Three out of the five wagons, the muffler seems to be heavily rusted. Started one wagon with rusted muffler, it spits out small amounts of water.
    Is this a mounting problem, and would it be covered under ford warranty ?

    3) The model, that i took the test drive is ZTW, there was no additional lettering.
    I checked on carfax, and it does not indicate SES or SE. What is the difference between ZTW and SES ?

    Thanks in advance.

    My test drive :
    1) feels like the wagon is going much faster, but not really. I guess this car is very light, and think that winter tires may or may not be required.
    2) the brakes feels very solid and comfortable.
  • trixwagentrixwagen Posts: 4
    ZTW is a pre-2005 model. 2005 Focus wagons are ZXW. SE and SES are trim levels with SES being the top-of-the-line wagon model. The SES gets a tachometer, fog lamps, 6 disc CD player, tilt/telescoping steering wheel, aluminum wheels, whereas the standard SE doesn't.

    Not sure what to say about the other questions.
  • jazvanjazvan Posts: 106
    1) OK, you made me curious so I took a look. There are some torx fasteners partly visible right under the hatch lip above the bumper. I had to really look to see them but there they are and it is normal. The designers were clearly not intent on completely hiding all the fasteners, for example you can see a few in the interior but you have to look for them.

    2). The muffler is stainless steel, but it seems like a grade where you do get some visible oxidation (rust). Mine (04) is not what I would call heavily rusted and I am confident it is stable and will not rust through. There is a corrosion warranty but I think that applies mostly to the body. Water coming out of the exhaust is normal for all cars.

    3). It is a pretty fast car considering the MPG. In the proper engine/transmission combination it will leave the Mazda5 (for example) in the dust.

    ZTW is 04 or earlier.

  • kaiserbkaiserb Posts: 1
    I have a 2002 Focus Wagon that has overheating issues. The fans do not come on and cool the radiator unless the AC is on. I know the AC circuit probably has an override. My question is where are the temp sensors located on the car to turn the fans on and off during non AC mode.
  • Around 45k-47k miles my focus SE started falling apart.

    Charging System went bad, both rear window motors went bad, valve cover leaks. Since I don't have an extended warranty (long story itself), I find myself paying nearly what the car is worth in repairing it.

  • fchoyfchoy Posts: 3
    Sorry, my mistake I think it is ZXW.

    I decided to make the purchase and will be picking it up this week.
    It is fully loaded with sunroof.

    Thanks trixwagen and jazvan, you both are very helpful and quick.
  • magneezomagneezo Posts: 15
    Just saw this cool flyer at the Ford dealer stating that the '06 will start having an 'Appearance Package', a 'Safety Package' and select choice options like 15 inch alloys as stand alone option,S Models get an MP3/CD standard, or deleting the overhead compartment on the SE(customer can now choose more or less), The convenience group -minus the dup. radio controls, Price adjustments and options to make Focus more competitive in the Marketplace, and it looks like they are saying interior trim upgrades and three new body paint colors.
    Can't Wait!
  • magneezomagneezo Posts: 15
    Which Dealer?
    I am from Charlotte.
    Bought Mine at Town and Country.
    Great deal.
    Heard different things about them but I have been Satisfied.
    Hope your experience has been a good one.
  • magneezomagneezo Posts: 15
    I really like how the seats in my '03 Wagon handle the road.
    It has some sort of spring action that when you hit a dip in the road it bounces slightly and cushions the ride.
    I really like the seats in the '03 focus Se Wagon, more comfortable- and they are pretty much the same as the 03 Taurus fabric. in a crossweave.
    This is one good riding wagon. I can't say my Old Astrovan was any more comfortable. It was an LT with custom seats! That thing floated like a ship on high seas...wavy and side to side.
  • magneezomagneezo Posts: 15
    I've seen so many posts where people are asking 'what is the difference between an Se and ZTW?
    Well, for 03 it was pretty simple (and '04 wasn't far off this track)
    The SE for '03 came fully loaded with standard features:
    15 inch alloys
    Cargo Cover
    Zetec 2.0 standard
    Premium Paint and interior amenities like Center console
    and Faux leather trim on doors.
    The SE had No tilt/Cruise option for this year, as there was no Convenience group for the SE Wagon (but available only on fleet)
    Upgraded cloth upholstery and more cushioning. Sound deadening added
    to increase comfort and reduce noise.
    (It's amazing what armor all can do for the 'Virgin' Focus dashboard)
    The ZTW(base) came with Tilt/Cruise, but deleted the cargo Cover. ZTW Had ugly cloth seats that look as though they had cigarette burn holes all over.
    The ZTW Sport came fully loaded with all that stuff and then you could go leather, traction control, 16 inch wheels, etc.
    The '04 SE wagon saw the start of some major shaving, but gained the powerful 2.3
    No Crossbars on roofrack,steel wheels w/ covers/ base CD player/no cargo cover.
    Still no convenience group offered for SE wagon, and fleet lost that option as well.
    Last year for 16 inch wheels on ZTW.
    05 SE comes with a bevy of packages and is well worth the cost if you shop them right. SE lost the Color coded side trim, but gained a convenience group- and Sport group is now an option! The seats suck because they are ZX3 'washable' trim, but actually look somewhat cool (No more cushy cloth seats) 2.3 motor given solely to ST, so no big motor for '05.
    Pricing an 05 wagon is challenging in some ways because you can equip an SE so close to an SES you'll be scratching your head wondering which is best pricewise.
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