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for you...I answered your question about the alarm
already...Your Passat, first of all, has Daytime
Running Lights that are always on when the engine
is running and the E-Brake is off. Your Instrument
Cluster Lights all work off of the Headlight Switch; however, the AC/Recirculate buttons light
up independently when they are put into operation,
and the fan is turned on...
Good idea would be for you to go through the
Controls and Equipment & Tips and Advice Booklets.
Have fun with your New ride...And Congratulations!
cAR MAN PLEASE ADVISE.
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1. 2001GLX 2wd Tiptronic at $300 over invoice (car on hand only, no orders). The invoice read $26699 plus best $525, northeast region $100, floor plan $92, port charge $25. Total in. $300 over - $27741.
2. Dealer demo - 2001 LX 4motion, 4000 miles, at invoice. The invoice read $26778 plus $1750 for 4motion plus best $525, northeast region $50, floor plan $92, port charge $25. Total $29220.
Questions:
How to determine "value" (deduction) of used miles on demo?
Dealer says demo is sold as new, so new car warranty applies - any disagreement?
Is 4motion worth premium in price and worse gas mileage? Is there a performance hit? Additional maintenance items?
Dealer says Northeast Region charge is for emissions controls - all pricing sites say no charge - any idea why the discrepancy, and why the charge is $100 on the 2wd and $50 on the 4motion?
Any other input would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
Cary
Christmas...the first ones should be here probably
by the middle of February or a little earlier...
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If I was that into saving money, I would just go get a used car. Then I get the benefit of all of the initial huge chunk of depreciation having come off of the car.
Its especially bad for VWs, because there is no extra money from the factory for demos like some manufacturers.
Go with the new one.
Jason
BTW, we have 5 new passats expected to hit the lot by the 3rd or 4th of Feb. Theyt start shipping 1st of feb.
allows for and illustrates extending the 2/24
for *Demo* Units... Faxable if you like...
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I can think of several that often have demo money, up to $3,000 per car.
VOlvo, for example, has a small subsidy on service loaners, but nothing on Demos. Sometimes Ford has a small incentive as well.
Still, I think it's a better buy to go used.
Bill
Jason
Cary
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Just as an FYI, I had visisted another dealer earlier and received an offer for a v6 GLS w/auto, luxury, leather, cold weather, monsoon and CD changer for $27,000 which I also thought was a great deal but I couldn;t resist the GLX.
Thanks again Edmunds.
Fairfax Volkswagen?
Tell Frank Gomez that Bill Weismann from Montclair Jaguar says hi!
Bill
1) When will Edmunds update its website to reflect the changes in the Passat?
2) Does anybody know about prices for the new Passats?
Thanks.
Thanks!
Thanks for your help.
The prices are around $350 more for GLS models and $600 more for GLX (I believe reflecting the Homelink system)
Anyone have any thoughts on how hard it will be to sell a V6 though? I mean with only 20 HP difference, we're a little nervous about that here.
Jason
Thanks.
I was out looking for a 2001 Passat this afternoon. The dealer swore that he doesn't know when the 2001.5 will be available and tried to assure me that if I would order one, I may have to wait for months to really get it. Then he tried to sell the 2001 to me.
The deal is:
GAS 4 cyl auto, luxury package, cold weather package and monsoon sound system at $22,000 plus tax.
My question is, should I wait for 2001.5 or take this deal? From my research, there are quite a few improvements for the new facelift Passat, and now everybody is talking about the amazing silverstone color! Is the deal on 2001 good enough to go for?
Thanks!
I am planning on buying a passat glx sedan with manual transmission. It would be ideal for me to buy it in june or july 2001, for personal reasons.
I have been trying to find out what the 2002 passat offers, and when it will arrive, but I have not been able to come up with any information. I saw reference to a 2001.5 passat here, and I was wondering what that was.
So, is there a 2002, if so is it different than the 2001.5, and what do they each offer compared to the 2001? When will they become available, and will I be able to find one in June, or will they be sold out?
Also, is it better to buy an aftermarket cd player or a VW cd. I would want a detachable faceplate cd player.
Thanks,
Amory
Any pricing experiences in Texas would be much appreciated.
Is the lag on the 4 cyl as strong as Edmunds points out? I've driven the 2000 V6 tiptronic and was quite impressed but am worried about MPG hit for V6 versus 4 cyl. I have not had a chance to drive the 4. I don't want a manual as I am too tall to shift.
One buyer just reported picking up a 2001.5 GLX for $600 over invoice--that's $2000 BELOW MSRP!
New 2001.5 Passats CAN be had for hundreds over invoice--though the dealers who post here will say anything and everything to discourage you from expecting this.
In the same vein, remember that Edmunds TMV does not represent the BEST that you can do--it represents AN AVERAGE. This means that you can do much better than TMV--and balance out those who got sucker-punched by a dealer...
All I can tell you is what I've seen, and what the dealers in my area are doing. The ones we have sold went for MSRP. All of them. Every customer I've had who shopped other dealers in the area reported dealers charging AT LEAST M.S.R.P. We just had a massive debate here about putting ADM on them. Thankfully, that idea got nixed.
I've told people before that to get a deep discount on these cars, they will probably have to wait several months. I'm sure some dealers wil start discounting sooner than others, but that will change (in my opinion) once they have run out of the cars and had to pass up on customers looking for them.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not happy to see this situation. Like I said, I get paid on volume, so the lower my boss will go, the better I would do!
Has anyone reading this purchased a 2001.5 at a heavily discounted price?
Jason
BUT, the fact that ONE person got a very good deal--he saved $2000!--should convince people that they too can shop around for a good deal. Two key thoughts: Wait & Shop Around.
PLUS, as we all know, the economy is either already in the crapper (if you're one of the 26,000 who are getting fired by Daimler-Chrysler, the 2400 dumped by AOL-Time Warner, the Lucent casualities, etc.), or will be (for those who have yet to feel a real pinch). I think that a poor economy will take an edge off Passat sales.
Also, how bad is the torx steer in the v6 passat?
Two things: I see the economic slowdown, but I think a lot of this has been precipitated by market corrections of companies that were extremely inflated to begin with. My feeling is that the more solid underpinnings of the economy are still there, and will continue to help the economy grow, albeit at a slower pace.
Second, I think you may be underestimating two things. First the inteligence of car buyers. They are still looking for deals, but they want the car. If no one is discounting, they realize that that is just the market condition for these cars, and they say ok. Second is the appeal of these cars. The new Passats are EXTRAORDINARY. They basically did a minor re-design, and improved the image of the car about 200%! Have you been out to see one yet?
Jason
P.S. I apologize for my verbosity in advance. }:)
On your points--
As you know, leasing was created by Satan. Moreover, I doubt that a Passat lease, especially since you are implying that it will be based on MSRP, will be a reasonable deal compared to taking the time to find a solid deal and then financing. The residual *might* be better now, but since residuals are guesswork in any case, I am sure that VW and other leasing companies will tend to lower them rather than raise them, thus increasing the "depreciation."
On the economy, the fact that many companies are continuing to lay off people NOW, means that we are in the middle of something bad, not at the end of a poor economic cycle. This will continue to cause a ripple effect--those laid off will not be buying TVs and clothing, let alone brand new Passats. And their inability to purchase will affect the livelihood of others. As a result, everyone should take a hard look at their plans to buy a new car in the near future.
And finally, market conditions/schmarket conditions--see above post (and vwvortex.com) for the example of one guy who got a great deal on a 2001.5 Passat ($2000 below MSRP!) If people WAIT (a few weeks to several months--but not six months) AND shop around, they will find that these "market conditions" you refer to are not a monolithic wall of MSRP, MSRP, MSRP... Good deals can be had by smart people who are not driven by impatience.
I wonder why?
Speaking of guesswork, all of this economic forecasting is giving me a headache. All I meant was that my gut instinct is that the economy is actually pretty healthy now. A tree can look really full and healthy, but need pruning badly. After pruning, it may look a little ragged, but you're down to all good wood!
Jason
If you don't mind me asking, what dealer, in what state, gave you the price of $22,000?
I am in negotiations right now and the price that I got for this exact car is $22,900. So, of course I am going to try and talk them down to $22,000.
I am new to the board and am hopeful that I may be able to contribute as much good knowledge as I have read here so far.
I am going to be buying a VR6 GLS wagon with manual, preferably green. The dealers that I have spoken with tell me that there are only 4 wagons in the entire state (CA), with these options let alone luxury, leather or Monsson.
My question is whether anyone knows how to find actual dealer stock here in CA? I have been all over the net and have had some dealers send me pictures but I am trying to find TRUE answers to this question.
Thanks
I just learned it when I shopped around that VW dealer received $1000 rebate for the 2001 models. I hope that is the difference you are looking at.
Good luck,
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Passat GLS, 4cylinder, auto, power sunroof, 15" alloy wheels, anti-theft wheel locks and a rear sunshade (luxury package PJ6), and Monsoon sound system for $22,000 (~$250 below invoice). Someone above said s/he got the cold weather package included with that same price. I am thinking about asking for the cold weather package (of course) and a CD player for $22,000. Fair price? Assuming they get $1000 rebate and 2% holdback, this equates to roughly a ~$900 profit.
2001.5 GLS, 4 Cyl, Auto Trans, Lux Pkg, Monsoon Sound, Silverstone Grey, Total Price (excluding sales tax, & DMV fees = $23900.
If I've got my calculations right (price incr on 2001.5 GLS only $300 more than 2001; no increase on any options) , that's about $800 above invoice (or about $1300 below MSRP). For a brand new 2001.5, I think that's a pretty good/fair deal. I'm fortunate to be in the New York Metro area (Central/Northern New Jersy actually) where there's quite a few VW dealers to chose from. I visited three: the 1st would only go $575 below MSRP, the other two were dealing. The sale of these cars did seem to be going pretty well, but the supply coming into the dealers seemed pretty good as well (I saw all the new Passat colors between the 3 dealers).
In response to a query by JANUS010(post #475)who is looking for a 2001.5 4 motion in Northern NJ area, have you checked out Three County VW in Lyndhurst, NJ? Check out their website via www.vw.com (Go to "Find Dealers"). Internet Sales Mngr is Mike Washington and he's pricing via internet sales at 3.85% above invoice. I've got his current inventory list for the 2001.5s and he's got one 4 motion in the new Fresco Green now on the lot. I didn't end up going with them as I got a slightly better deal at dealer closer to home for me.
Based upon my experience, I would say that if you happen to be in an area with a good selection of VW dealers, you will NOT have to pay MSRP or thereabouts.
I can't wait to get my hands on the car; they drive and look great!! (I test drove 3 other 2001.5 4 cyl automatics in my search)
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