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If you take that $975 and add it to whatever you pay for the car, and then
standback and look at it...5Year/75000 B2B, 2/24 Trip Interruption Protection,
12 Years/Unlimited Miles Corrosion & Rust thru, and 10Years/100,000
Complete PowerTrain and then compare it to any car in it's class...What
do you think you will see?
Thanks.
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*A* Tier from 3.9%(24) - 6.9%(60) even those with "less than perfect
credit" *D* tier 8.9%(24) - 11.90%(60). Rates good till May 31, 2001.
Although *technically accurate* as Dealer Cash...Volkswagen Credit
has promoted this program primarily to the F&I Dept. to promote the
use of their products over those of other lenders. Which is distinctly
different from the typical Incentive money that prohibits the Dealer from
accepting the cash AND Offering SubVented Rates. That has always
been the Standard...one or the other, but not both...
Talked with a newbie salesperson tonight. He didn't know anything about arrival dates. For once I believed a salesman. He did think that since the 2001.5 came out in February that the 2002's would arrive later than last year. Probably in the fall. Anyone hear anything different?
But who knows? The manufacturer isn't dying to let us know!
Bill
Also, you might want to keep in mind the tires themselves. I have a GLS with the luxury package and they have Michelin tires. I looked at the GLS without the Lux package and it had Continental tires. They may be a different size.
Check out the forums on www.vwvortex.com. Someone probably already posted a question such as this. Also, there is a classified forum. You could probably find the Adelaides or other wheel there.
$7000represents the depreciation of a 1 month old car (I'm assuming you have a 42 month lease). Your dealer has to sell that green Passat as a used car, even though it only has a few hundred miles, and they have to recover the depreciation hit from you because you are having some remorse over the color.
Basically, you're asking to end your lease after just one month, and lease a blue passat instead. Extremely expensive proposition.
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What is a fair price for this car? The ad in the paper offers $3000.00 of the MSRP of $26,450 but I think they will go lower. What are the thoughts of the town hall as to the lowest I should shoot for?
thanks is advance
Almost any car is going to depreciate $3-4K as soon as you drive it off the lot. Irrespective, that seems high to me.
Why not call VW Credit (Orwhatever your lease co is) and get your payoff?
Or try swapalease.
Bill
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CD player. Who makes suitable single CD unit for this car? HOw much?
Anyone like the new beige color?
INKY
I think I will hold out for a silver-blue for the same price. I like a light interior but the MO. Beige is a little much with that chrome. Oh, the chrome. Looks good on the silvers but not all.
INKY
My top choices:
Silverstone
Anthracite
Indigo Blue
Pine Green
Don't like:
White
Black
Blue-Silver
Colorado Red (though it looks much better now)
Medium:
Mojave Beige
Fresco Green
Reflex Silver
I still haven't seen a single Ink Blue car, so I don't know how that one looks.
Jason
Those things have been sitting there rotting since January!
I shopped that lot for months in hopes that they would get in a new passat equipped the way I wanted it. They (Dieter the saleman) offered $3500 off the old ones and this was back in March.
Even if they were to offer you $5000 off I would not go for it for the simple reason that you would still be losing in terms of depreciation.
I bought my mojave beige, 1.8t manual, with luxury, and leather for 23,000 +ttl from Lasher on Florin Rd. I shopped extensively at Roseville, Niello, and Lasher, and Lasher was far and away the best to deal with. Ask for Eddie.
INKY
The best deal I have found in Nodal so far is at the Walnut Creek WV dealer. They will sell a 2001.5 GLS automatic for $27,885.00
Do you think Eddied at Lasher will beat that?
Thanks
Hmmm.,.... That'd make my 4K mile 01.5 GLX FWD Manual Reflex/Grey GLX worth, what, $38K?
Sheesh...
Bill
Roseville was still unreasonable. Thanks for the tips and I'm going to check out everyones recommendation.
Now one additional question. Other than price what can you say pro and con about stick vs. tiptronic?
As far as Stick vs Tip... you could go either way on a Passat. Sticks will be worth a bit less, but the initial cost savings will negate that. Oftentimes, cars with manuals, in reality, can cost more in dollar amounts to own than automatics because of depreciation.
Sooo.... buy what you like! Also less stuff to go wrong if you're going to have it forever.
Bill
That was my fourth trip to Lasher and I had made sure to ask for the same salesman every time(Eddie) so they knew I had kicked tires and done my homework when it came time to discuss price.
Stick to your guns and eventually they will cave, I guess. Avoid the Roseville automall. I gave up on their fun and games after the first visit. Niello seems like an OK dealer but the Passats are sure pileing up there. I never got around to discussing price with them so maybe they are not competitive.
Remember there is a VW dealer right off Hammer Lane and 99 in Stockton and also in Auburn, and Fairfield.
Thoughts?
The only thing I would say is that the premium for the six cylinder is not worth it.
While the 1.8t is one of the best in it's class, the six cylinder lags behind most of it competition.
Thats a lot of dough for 20 supposed horsepower. Especially when you consider that for $500 you can chip the 1.8 to the tune of 200+ hp!
Where did you end up finding the deal?
However, have you driven a 1.8T Manual? You may be surprised. IMHO, A GLS 4cyl is a better deal.
If you want the V6, shoot for the GLX, Get the wood and the climatronic..etc.. That's the real advantage.
Failing that, the 4 really is a better value. But, again, get what you LIKE and WANT
Bill
However the V6 while perhaps is not state of the art as far as new engines go is not a bad engine. It's been used (borrowed) from Audi A4 & A6 models and is tuned well for everyday driving.(decent mid range torque) While the 1.8T has a number of advantages (inexpensive, good power & milage)the V6 is quieter, smoother and has more torque off the line (no turbo lag). In addition, my limited research when purchasing my car lead me to believe that the V6 models retained most of their price premium in resale value. I also had worries (not based on any factual info, just my feelings) about the longevity and potential problems of the turbo engine after getting a lot of duty driving in CA traffic in the summer (heat). I tend to keep my vehicles a long time. And last, I feel the V6 sort of transforms the Passat into feeling like a more upscale car.
Either engine is a good choice, it all depends on your preferences and budget.
Also for what it's worth you do get the wood with the V6 on a GLS. The GLX adds memory power seats, climatronic, auto dimming mirrors and 16" "Road America" wheels.
I did want to offer two comments. First, let's not be so competitive amoungst buyers. Do you have a Passat in the garage? Are you happy with the car? Do you like the color? If so, then you got a good deal. Are there people who may have paid $10.00 less, maybe. Who cares. If you like the car and are happy then it's a good deal. The best comment I received was that the deal was competitive. Hey, that's all I wanted. Just not to be totally abused. Could I search the country for a lower price, maybe but this was the car I wanted and the set up I wanted so as long as the deal was competitive, good enough. So the next person that asks opinions remember, they are not you make them feel good about their decision. Just make sure they are not getting taken advantage of.
Now my next rant is against the dealers. When will the dealers realize that there is an internet. Hello, wake up, it's not 1960 anymore. First, you want my business, then don't have all the salespeople standing in one spot smoking. Three dealerships I pulled up, saw the 7 or 8 salesmen standing smoking and I just turned around. Then the salesman who let's out the smoke as he's walking to me, forget it, my business is already gone.
Next, respond to email. You have email on the your web page, then as a dealer, respond to it. The whole point of email is speed. Responding four days later, you've lost my business.
Finally, now this may seem radical, but it would help if the salespeople had some clue about the product. How many times did I speak with sales staff and ask a simple question, and the response, "well I'm new" or "well we have so many models I'll have to check" WAKE UP!!!! Buyers today are far more knowledgable. If you have internet access and are not researching your new purchase, then you deserve these idiot salespeople. But the fact is, just from reading the posts here, buyers are more in touch with the cars than sales. We buyers are taking the time to know the product, sales staff should do the same. Again, nincompoop salespeople cost several dealers my business.
Well thanks for the rant time. And again, your advise as a group has been very beneficial and I appreciate everyone who took the time to answer my posts.
Cliffy, it seems that those who own 4-cyls are the only ones saying "the 6-cyl is a waste", not the other way around.
In the past, I had both a 4-cyl Camry and a V6 Camry, just as the Passat is, these were two completely different cars. The V6 models are heavier, smoother and much quieter. As far as power...what are you kidding me? The V6 five speed is more than "responsive".
I'm trying decide whether to buy a 2001.5 now or wait and buy a 2002 next fall. Some of my dislikes on the 2001.5's were lack of CD player, and only a 2yr/24k warranty. CD players should be standard equipment on the 2002's but I have not heard anything official about the warranty improvements.
With these changes to the 2002's, I'm hoping the base price doesn't jump too much. I'm sure the extra warranty will be reflected in the new price. Its a tough decision whether to buy a 2001.5 Passat now, or wait 6 months and get one with a CD player and a better warranty.
Does anyone know when the 2002's will hit the U.S. markets? Any word on prices or warranty info yet? Please advise.
"Why is it that everybody under-reports how much they spent on their car, but over-reports how much they spent on their house?"
Jason
You have the same frustrations with salespeople that I have as a dealer principal. Getting good ones is very tough, and the good ones always seem to gravitate towards selling the luxury imports. Why? The money's there.
I'm with you, If I get a competitive price, I pull the trigger AS LONG as I like the way that I am treated. And you have to take some posts here with a grain of salt. Like the guy who claimed to get a Lexus LS430 for "$800 over invoice" in souther California. Hmm... in SoCal that would really be a $50 over invoice deal if that (LDA in SoCal is 1.5% of MSRP..)
Weird, he never would post where or who he got the car from...
Don't worry, if you got a competitive and reasonable price on the car, enjoy!
That being said, make sure it's the carthatYOU want, and that YOU are going to be happy with, nothing else matters when all is said and done, right?
Oh, jpvwaudi is right on the warranty for 2002. However, don't expect the factory to oficially say anything to consumers yet. They's slaughter their current sales.
Bill
Chippervw
I paid $700 over invoice/a tad over 3% for my Passat but probably could've done better but was happy with the deal and took it.
Don't assume that you'll get the best price just because you're going through Sam's (I assume that's why you're asking about it), try negotiating on your own also.