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Edit Hmmm...actually that was Terry numbers. Post # 25951
, we have a minor kiss to the bow and we have a new bumper hangin' off the transom ..... trade side, in and around the $20ish figure, might "maybe" get a dealer to meander towards the $21 figure, but this one has been used as a pin ball machine, so I doubt it ...... whats your pay-off...?
This is Terry speak for, "no matter how many times you check excellent condition when getting an edmunds true market value, the dealer looks at it as fair or poor" and starts deducting.
.... ** Will a paint job hurt the resale of a car if it is still new? I have a 2004 G35 coupe.** ....
Did you ever know it to help..?
A repainted 96 Buick Century or a repainted 95 100k Camry is no biggie .. but a new (newer) vehicle like yours will be the Kiss of death .... that said, a touch here and there is fine, a fill and shoot is okay, but a full repaint is a kkkkkiller .. for starters, someone is going to think it was hit by a meteorite -- and there goes the resale value ... just take $5,0/$10,0 grand and knock it off the value ............ why are you painting it..? ... I'm trying to catch-up, read, smoke cigarettes, drink coffee and watch the news at the same time .....
Maybe a great detailer with a high speed buffer and some Mag 26 can make a difference ...?
I saw this post also but I think Terry means "a full repaint".
Anyways, he said his car has a few dings and rear bumper replaced. Assumed no other parts replaced, they might just paint the bumper and blent the tail area to make it look smoth.
20K to 21K for this car, so if we add 2K for the paint job (I have no idea , just guessing) = 22K to 23K.
This new car retail is close to 34K (invoice + 1K) - 22-23K trade = 11 to 12K loss
Even we assume 4K off for the paint job, it's still around 9 to 10K loss.
It's just my GUESS.
The dings aren't helping clearly, but all used cars have one or two of those--otherwise they would be in excellent condition, which no used car is.
So maybe I should ask Terry, say this car didn't have the new bumper, then what would you think?
Like I say, the lower the value of this car, the happier I am, because I don't own one and when I finally do pull the trigger, I'll drive it until it's well past worthless anyway. I finally got rid of my old '76 pontiac in '94 with well over 200K on the ticker.
So i don't dispute that the value of this car is low, just wondering why there would be such a large discrepancy between trade and retail on this particular model.
Most folks are looking at payments anyhoo.............$490 a month for used
(with miles and a repaint, cracked winshield, etc?) or $525 for new.
Remember the dealer has to make some $$$ too.........
A car is not a investment...............
P.S. I don't believe how little my car is worth. Maybe my rear bumper sounds worse than it is. The rear bumper was replaced with a brand new OEM bumper that was painted. The paint difference to the other parts of the car is slight. It can only be seen if you pay very very close attention. Please explain what pulled the value down all the way down to the low 20's range? I am appalled. Thanks!
Amen, brother!
"$490 a month for used (with miles and a repaint, cracked winshield, etc?) or $525 for new"
Happens every day. Usually, it's new vs. a two or three-year-old car, where the payment goes down... of course, then you're making payments on an 8-year-old car....
It's common, and it's what keeps payments high on newer Japanese vehicles. Price out a 2003 Odyssey and do the math. You won't believe it.
-Mathias
Now that's downright unamerican.... -Mathias
Please read the information at the bottom of the page regarding location, color, etc. - all these factors affect your value and Terry will need to know them!!
Here's the info:
Minneapolis, MN
1996 Honda Civic EX 4dr
Manual transmission
1.6 liter SOHC VTEC
110,000 miles
Green exterior, tan interior
ABS, factory cd changer
Very clean inside and out.
A couple small door dings in driver's door and tiny chips on the leading edge of the hood.
No rust.
Tires have about 30% tread left.
All scheduled maintenance performed (on schedule) at Honda dealer.
What do you think?
Thanks in advance!
Weren't you the one that asked about a full repaint, as in repainting the entire car? I think that was what pulled the value down.
VIN # 1FAFP40684F150304
It's a used 2004 Mustang, base V6 Auto, at a large Ford dealer with only 74 (seventy four) miles. CarFax estimates one owner, but does not report any registration type (personal, fleet, rental, etc.) and the junk and salvage checks are clean.
If someone bought this and then brought it right back to the dealer somehow, that would explain why it is "used" and has such low miles; but shouldn't CarFax show a "personal use" registration?
By the way they are asking $18995 and I'll bet I can get it for less than 17 OTD, without robbing the salesman. What do you think?
Minneapolis, MN
2002 BMW 540i Sport
Auto
46K miles
Metallic Black, Tan interior
Sport, cold weather, premium sound
tires are good
Trade Value? Purchase Value?
Any help is appreciated
However, it's not unusual to take a $10K hit after owning an expensive car for one year. Even w/o body damage. BTW, do you "have" to sell it, or why do you want to sell it? I think this the G35 you wanted to trade for a one year newer model? That's almost always a recipe for losing a lot of $$. BTW, I read again the damage your car has--it sounded pretty minor to me, if I understand it correctly. But bear in mind, if you do this, & then want to trade your next new car after a year, you're probably going to be looking at another big hit, $$ wise......
You have a great car, why not just relax & enjoy it?
*Other: No damage/insurance claims, or repaints. Replaced bumper on own expense*.
'88 Pontiac Bonneville SSE, 4dr large sporty sedan
3.8 / 4spd Auto
FWD
Houston TX, came from Northern Virginia if that makes a difference
73k miles
new paint job (those '80's paint jobs were not good).
a one-owner garage kept cremepuff
over-maintained with mobil 1 and more
ABS
Full IRS (unique to SSE)
4 whl disk brakes (unique to SSE)
Auto - leveling rear suspension
Performance sound w/EQ, steering wheel controls
Auto headlights
Full power
3 way air adjustable lumbar supports
alloy wheels
climate control
AC was repaired 2 years ago
No accidents
tires OK, all matching
Included: receipts, maintenance log, "warrentied for life" receipts (brakes, alt, etc)
This was literally a garage kept car used on sundays. Milage is actual driven by my mother for the most part.
The SSE is top end loaded with everything and only options were leather and sunroof, which we did not want.
The blue book and Edmonds says selling priviately we might get about $2000, but it is so clean, straight, no rust, no smoking, etc I was wondering if someone had an idea as to what this car would bring on the market? I was thinking of about $3500, as it is an older car, but it has no issues except the tape player isn't working well and the headliner had to be pinned up. Dad is a nut for maintenance so it has had mobil 1 and all the goodies its whole life. Anyone care to give an opinion?
If my wife like the car better I'd sell my 2000 maxima and bank the $ and drive this car, but as it is we need to sell it.
Thanks
This hit would be in the neighborhood of $14K, but for cars like this, dealers are asking as if the hit is in the neighborhood of $2K. That means $12K gross mark-up. Even if it takes $5K to bring it up to snuff, that's still $7K of profit. Talk-em down 4K, and you're still looking at $3K profit. Pretty darn good if you ask me.
Smokedhen: If you do have to sell it though, clearly you want to go retail road. I can't find a car like this with a starting price less than $29.5. If you got it detailed and posted it for sale at one of the G35 forums with a starting price at $29K people would be knocking down your door.
Does your wreck show up on car-fax?
I don't think it qualifies as a creampuff at this point either.
It should only cost $200 or so to have the headliner replaced (or do it yourself), the tape player issue is going to cost to have fixed.
Get the headliner replaced, super detail, then ask the $3500 and take ~$2500 cash. If it really is as nice as you say and all maintenance receipts are available, ask the $3500 now, you can come down later. It is a late 80's Domestic, park the ego at the door. This is all assuming it was a non-smoker car. It they smoked in it, forget about top dollar.
BTW you should get a new mechanical inspection report on the car as well, to get top dollar.
Not much, if he can find one on eBay or at a junkyard.
one thing I know for sure is that the current coupes (E46 models) are hot commodity around here and they are very hard to find used. I hope it stays this way.
2000 Honda Accord EX V6 Coupe
FWD I think
57000 miles
Dark Green Exterior/Tan Interior
Alloy Wheels, Sun Roof, Visor, Fog Lights, Rear Spoiler
Tear in leather on driver seat from entering and exiting vehicle
Scratches on the bumper
Needs new tires
Has new brakes
Have receipts for all work done
Brand New Starter
Brand New Battery
Thanks in advance
I hope you are not too busy with your basket weaving lessons and could give me a quick private party value for my wife's old car.
Located by San Jose, CA (Fremont, CA, where the Tacoma and Corolla are built)
1990 Honda Accord EX Sedan
2.2Liter I-4 Automatic
88,000 miles
Black Ext/Tan Int.
Power windows/locks, sunroof, AM/FM/Cassette, alloy wheels (no curb rashes).
Michelin tires are about 1/2 worn
New brakes about 20K miles (a few years) ago.
New hoses under hood 20K/few years ago.
The interior is in pretty good condition. It's clean and everything works, no fry invasions.
The exterior is a different story...it's a bit beat up. There is a credit-card sized dent on the front passenger fender and the paint there is cracked. Front bumper looks like it had a few Wal-Mart kisses. The paint is glossy everywhere but there has been a lot of touched up spots (maybe 20, size of dimes).
A number for private party would be great.
Thank you very much!
Paul
PS: We bought a 05 Accord EX Sedan in case you are curious
I still need to choose a color and then pay the tax and pick up the vehicle from the Toyota headquarter.
1) What color should I choose to make it easier to sell?
2) What's a fair price that I should expect to get for this car?
3) Should I sell to a dealer, put an newspaper ad, or ebay?
Thanks.
Location: Los Angeles, CA
2005 Toyota 4Runner 4x2 SR5 V6
Body Style: SUV
Engine: 4.0 liter, 6 cylinder, 5-Speed auto
Driveline: FWD
Mileage: 0
Color: TBD
Major Options: None
Condition: Brand New
Located in Orange County, CA
2003 Honda Civic LX Sdn automatic
Silver with gray interior
31000 miles
All required service completed
Tires almost new
Excellent cond in & out
No accidents
Looking for realistic trade & private party value
(Possible trade on a Pilot EX)
Thanks In Advance, Bill G
2017 Accord Sport CVT Mod Steel Metallic
Is this a 04 350Z ..... or a 04 G35 ...?
Yikes, where's dem drugs ..?
Terry.
I just saw Terry's response--just do a concise re-post of the whole story.
Any information, opinions would be so very appreciated!!! Thanks!
Location: Frankfurt, Germany; US Military Dealer.
2004~S80 T6 Premier~Volvo:
Body Style: 4dr sedan
Engine: 6 cylinder 2.9 liter Turbo, auto-4 spd Geartronic
Driveline: FWD
Mileage:17,000
Color: Ash Gold / Taupe Leather
Major Options: Electric rear sunblind, Heated seats- front & rear, Park assist rear, RTI- Volvo navigation system w/DVD map & remote control, Radio HU-850 RDS, 10 CD-player, Dolby Surround Pro logic, Cruise, Power Moonroof, Twin video/tv screens in back of front head restraints, Homelink, DSTC, Power seats w/memory-driverside, Rear seat DVD player w/wireless headphone; dual screen.
Condition: Good
Details of interior and exterior: Interior has a few dings in it, on the front of the glove box is a "buckle" in the leather, looks like someone shoved a object with corners into it. Same mark on the left back passenger door. Carpet looks good, a few minor scratches on 3 buttons inside the car, Leather looks good, Remotes for everything work. Exterior: Two small dings in driver & back passenger door; looks like another door was opened on it. 1 small ding on the front pass. door. Front pass door looks like it was opened up on something too; paint scraped off... Paint is still glossy & even. The dealer said that all that could be fixed & repaired would be done.
Tires - Still look new, original tires w/17000 miles
Brakes- Good condition
Maintenance Dealer said that it is a demo model, only used for test drives & when dealers would take it home; No maintenance problems to report.
The guy looking at a demo S80 - sounds like a repo instead of a demo. I would steer clear of that car, one blemish I could see, but a whole slew of them? on a "new" car? Especially when you're talking 40 large ones. Perhaps you would be more comfortable in, say, a late 80's used domestic? (LOL) There are a LOT of options for $40 large, and they will be brand spanking new. Its easy to get excited when looking at nice cars, but I think you would be well advised to look around and take your time.
Just my 2 cents.
For a hopeful couple of hundred extra bucks, is it worth the time and effort?
The S80's condition does sound like a repo or service loaner, but I don't think they give fully loaded models as service loaners.
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In early June, I want to trade in my 2004 5 Speed Automatic G35 coupe for a 2005 6 Speed Manual G35 coupe. Here are the details for my car.
Location: NYC, NY
Time of ownership: since August 2004
Make: 2004 Infiniti 5 Speed Automatic G35 Coupe
Estimated Mileage at trade-in: 6875..maybe less
Engine: 3.5 Liter V-6, 280 HP, 270 lb-ft torque
Driveline: Rear wheel drive
Color: laser red/charcoal leather
Major Options: Premium Package (includes Bose® premium audio system with AM/FM and in-dash, single-slot 6-disc CD autochanger with MP3 playback capability, and eight speakers and Radio Data System (RDS)
Power sliding tinted glass sunroof with one-touch open/close, tilt feature and sliding sunshade
Dual-zone Automatic Temperature Control
Auto on/off headlights
HomeLink® Universal Transceiver offers control for compatible garage doors, home lighting and home security systems
Automatic anti-glare rearview mirror
Power tilt and telescoping steering wheel), Splash guards, Carpeted trunk mat, Body side moldings
Condition: Excellent condition, 3 hairline scratches at front right bumper, replaced rear bumper due to someone's bad parking ( rear bumper is slightly different in color but I plan to repaint it to blend nicely with the car so there will be no evidence of any rear bumper replacement.), a half-dime sized ding near the passenger side rear window. Interior is perfect. Tires are still new. Rims are a little dirty at some areas. Brakes are good. Had one oil change at Infiniti so far. Front windshield has a dime size crack from ice, but will be fixed by trade-in time.
Other: No damage/insurance claims, or no repaints. Replaced bumper on own expense.
P.S. If the accident repair didn't exceed $900, do I have to report it to the buyer or dealer? I'm sorry for posting such a long "synopsis"...lol. I just didn't want to leave out anything. I will definitely need someone to tell me what to include in a synopsis next time. You are definitely the best!
Thank you for all the advice!!!
I have found an 01 BMW M3 coupe at a small dealer that specializes in European cars. I know an trust this dealer and I am wondering if you can give me an idea on sales price.
Location - Maine
2001 BMW M3 coupe
14,000 miles
Exterior - silver
Interior - light grey leather
6 speed
cold weather pkg
harmon kardon premium sound
condition is excellent
What say you? Thanks!
1998 Dodge Ram 1500 extended wheelbase conversion (Mark III) van.
75000 miles, V8, A/c, rear A/C, very good shape, all leather, folding couch bed, TV, VCP, low roof, yadda yadda.
I've finally gotten around to reporting back.
Terry came up with the number that I had been mulling over - $8900. I put it on a local help-u-sell lot and on the second Sat, I sold it for $8500. Buyer had mech inspection and all was well. It was a good van. I just couldn't afford to keep it and my Navigator so it had to go. Lot charged me $300 for the sale, which was worth it to me as they handled everything. The buyer did not appear to be the "target market" for a 7 passenger conversion van though - he was a single national from a big Asian country who spoke little English and who paid with a credit card. Go figure.
Thanks for the help.
I found another car I kind of like...a 1999 C43 AMG. It's silver on black, 70K, one owner bought new in my town (WA state), every record down to the original sticker, etc. The interior is pristine and the exterior isn't far behind. It has the only two options offered that year, being the special stereo and the xenon package. It's at the local Porsche/VW dealer. They've had it for maybe 2 months. They wanted 24K for it, now they want 19K. I am thinking of offering 16Kish. They let me take it out for awhile yesterday...and I do like it. Very fast and taut...but with better mileage ratings than my current car.
My current modern car is an 89 300SE, light blue on grey, I'm the 2nd owner, it's at 180K....but is as pristine in every way as you'll find on a 126. Chromes, Euro lights, all records etc too. I know trade-in on such a car would be low...4K ish if I am lucky...but I don't think I want to sell anyway, but if I did it would be privately to a MB enthusiast, who would likely pay 6K ish for it.
Thanks for any advice.
Glad that guy decided against the demo S80. My thinking is that if you can buy a new car for your money, you have to have a pretty good reason to buy a used car. At 40k, there are a lot of very nice vehicles - new. I know folks get excited about cars on this web site, but remember its a horrible investment and the less you invest for a vehicle that does what you want and like, you come out ahead.
I'm not against used cars, I actually prefer them as someone else has taken that huge depreciation hit for the first two years and you get a vehicle that - if its a good one to begin with - will last and be dependable for many years to come. Of course there are used models to be wary of, like BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Jag, etc. All have fairly unique service requirements and very costly labor/parts that could quickly turn a used bargin into a money pit - like my buddy's BMW 750 he got that soon developed a rear-main bearing oil leak - and on a v-12 BMW doing that work is like "bring your checkbook".
Ebay has a ton of them. Granted they are not fast, but that's not the point, they are sporty and fun.
Any thoughts on this anyone? wonder how much insurance is.
PS. that AMG seems like a good deal - a heck of a car for compartively cheap if you like it. Make sure its not ragged on the motor.
I really miss that car that last couple of years, esp. when spring arrives. The only thing I didn't like about it is that they're considered "chick" cars. But hey, I'm secure enough to get over that.
The deal is the trade and $4800 for a 2005 Honda Civic Si.
Appreciate any opinions on this. Have to call with a decision tomorrow.
Thanks
Estimated Mileage at trade-in: 6875..maybe less
Engine: 3.5 Liter V-6, 280 HP, 270 lb-ft torque
Driveline: Rear wheel drive
Color: laser red/charcoal leather
Major Options: Premium Package (includes Bose® premium audio system with AM/FM and in-dash, single-slot 6-disc CD autochanger with MP3 playback capability, and eight speakers and Radio Data System (RDS)
Power sliding tinted glass sunroof with one-touch open/close, tilt feature and sliding sunshade
Dual-zone Automatic Temperature Control
Auto on/off headlights
HomeLink® Universal Transceiver offers control for compatible garage doors, home lighting and home security systems
Automatic anti-glare rearview mirror
Power tilt and telescoping steering wheel), Splash guards, Carpeted trunk mat, Body side moldings
Condition: Excellent condition, 3 hairline scratches at front right bumper, replaced rear bumper due to someone's bad parking ( rear bumper is slightly different in color but I plan to repaint it to blend nicely with the car so there will be no evidence of any rear bumper replacement.), a half-dime sized ding near the passenger side rear window. Interior is perfect. Tires are still new. Rims are a little dirty at some areas. Brakes are good. Had one oil change at Infiniti so far. Front windshield has a dime size crack from ice, but will be fixed by trade-in time.
Other: No damage/insurance claims, or no repaints. Replaced bumper on own expense.
P.S. If the accident repair didn't exceed $900, do I have to report it to the buyer or dealer? I'm sorry for posting such a long "synopsis"...lol. I just didn't want to leave out anything. I will definitely need someone to tell me what to include in a synopsis next time. You are definitely the best!
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Okay .... it's an 04 "G35" EL coupe' .... not an 04 350Z ....
Great, I kinda missed that one .... see, I'm a flower child from the 70's (well, how about the late late late late 60's) and some of that funny stuff probably still leaks around my brain synapses, so every once in awhile I hear things that aren't there and see things that may, or may not be there ..l.o.l...
So anyhoo .... this 04 G35 sport coupe with maybe 7k, with the Primo package, the almost kinda popular red color, the auto thing, the Bozo sound, slider and your going to fix the rear bumper "correctly" and do the see thru stuff .. If so, then your stairing down the barrel of the mid/tall $27's, maybe the low low low low low $28's come trade side ....
I know I said the $20ish range .. I dunno why, but for whatever reason I was thinkin' you were drivin' a 04 base 350Z with a prem pack ... of course, I also thought I was with Pamela Anderson last night ....
Sorry for the confusion ...remind me to slap myself later ....
Terry