Hello! I'm being offered a BMW 2005 325i convertible with only 5000 miles, CPO. It has all the options: premium and sport packages, Harman-Kardon, xenon, park assist. If it matters, it's blue with tan leather.
Downsides: stick shift, only 184 horsepower. It's been sitting on the pre-owned lot unsold for two months here in San Diego.
What do you experts think the dealer would be willing to do to cut this car loose?
Wondering if anyone might have an idea what a good offer to buy this would be from a dealer. It's a 4 cylinder and I know it had a rear end crash but the repair looks good. Other than that, it looks alright. They are asking $7K for it but no way would I pay that for it.
I have been hoping to locate a 05' XLE in Texas, or Utah as I have 2 daughters living in these states. Plus the cars are there are usually in exquisite condition. No rusty fenders, blowing grit from sanding trucks pitting the windows and paint. Here is my wish list, Low miles "Sky Blue Pearl" paint, leather heated seats, no sunroof, a 4 cyl engine and rear window shade, (travel for weeks with a Black Catahoola in the back seat) So far I am SOL on everything including the 4 cyl engine in an 05 XLE.
...even if the price is technically 'good', why would you want to spend $38k on a car not equipped the way you want (I like the 5-speed, doesn't sound like you're too kean on them)?
If you want one equipped that specifically, it's likely you're going to have to buy new or willing to compromise (I don't know if you'll ever find a 4-cylinder XLE with leather and no sunroof, let alone one that's blue). I'm sure you're aware of how Toyota bundles options, and how most cars in any given region are equipped similarly. I'll keep my eyes open here, though I'm in Chicago so not geographically ideal for you (weather and salt or not, I don't think you're going to find too many two year-old Camrys with 'rusty fenders').
Actually, I like the 5-speed--it's just a downside for most other buyers, so that should influence the sale price (and what I can get for it if I resell it, of course).
The downside for me is that 184hp is just not very powerful. I drove the new Eos recently. It feels noticeably faster but has bad torque steer.
Well, after a lot of digging around on the internet this is what I found today! What does the price sound like for this deal?
Price $23,975 Body Style Toyoto Camry Sedan 2006 XLE Mileage 7,845 Exterior Color Sky Blue Pearl Interior Color Gray Leather Engine 4 Cylinder Gasoline Drive Type 2 wheel drive - front Fuel Type Gasoline Doors Four Door Stock No. 060509646 VIN 4T1BE32K26U726692
Automatic, Air Conditioning, 4 Door, Power Windows, Power Locks, Tilt Wheel, Cruise Control, Dual Power Seats, Heated Seats, Cassette, CD Changer, Alloy Wheels, Leather, ABS, Keyless Entry
If you feel like the 325Cic is underpowered (and, in the convertible, I agree), then don't even think about it... You'll always regret that you didn't get a 330..
For a data point, the '05 330Cic that I leased last November had a selling price of $45,200... Probably had a $4K-$5K higher MSRP than the unit you are looking at..
I'd think a more reasonable price on that 325Cic would be down around $35K.. Strictly from a value standpoint... I have no idea what they might be actually selling for...
I have an opportunity to buy this car for the lease buyout price. It had a 39 month lease ending in Sept. Is this a gread/good/lousy deal?
2004 Nissan Maxima SE 44K miles Loaded, leather, roof, nav, xm, etc... all options available. Mint condition
Buyout price is 19K.
Supposidly the original new car dealer likes the car since it's in mint condition. They'll send it to auction and buy it back for about 18K I'm told... cheaper than buying it from bank for 19K. Of course I can't get it for 18K since I can't go to the auction.
What's a realistic trade value given recent auctions? Also, realistic private party asking price for quick sale?
2000 Subaru Outback limited Portland, Oregon automatic 140,000 huge miles Maroon Limited model with leather/sunroofs/upgraded OEM stereo Exterior in good condidtion. Some small dings and a few scratches. Interior in good condition. Some scratches and a few minor blemishes. Tires getting near the end of their life. Maintenance is all up to date and mechanically in good shape, although the check engine light comes on occasionally... needs a new catalytic converter. Okay, that's kind of major. Prior damage included minor work to the rear quarter panel and a new bumper cover and rear hatch.
I have been tracking several internet price guides for a few months. Today I checked KBB and the trade-in was $2,000 less than it was three days ago. Does anyone have any insite on this one? I was just getting ready to trade it in, but now...
I would also like to know what I can expect to get if I trade this in at a dealer.
Location: Terre Haute, IN (47803) Year/Make/Model: 2002 Jeep Liberty Sport Body Style: SUV Engine: [3.7 liter, 6 cylinder, auto] Driveline: 4WD Mileage: 115,000 (mostly highway) Color: [black/black] Major Options: All power options Condition: Good condition exterior - a few rock chips and dings on hood interior - will be in nice shape after cleaning Tires - 6 months old Other: New engine with 4k :lemon:
2000 Pontiac Grand Am SE 4-door 3.4 V6 automatic 2nd owner (college female), gray/blue with gray cloth alloys, PW/L, aftermarket CD, no spoiler (yay), cold AC 89400 miles, decent matching tires, clean CarFax, runs great, needs rotors desperately, body has a few scratches, nicks (no dents), hood a bit rashy and cracked headlight
By the time you get this car sorted out, you'll own it for over $3000 I don't like lumpy cars as a rule, you always find alot more wrong with them than you figured.
Terry doesn't seem to be around anymore, but I was given $9500 for the truck as a trade for a Saturn Ion. That is more than half of the price I paid for the truck, but I am sure that the "no haggle" policy influenced the offer a little. I told them that I would not trade the truck unless they were going to use it to discount the price of the new car. Anyway, Terry asked for an update so here it is. P.S. The Ion isn't nearly as bad as ALL the reviews of it have stated. Thanks.
Looking to get a realistic trade-in and/or private party value on my van. Thanks!
Location: [city/state or nearest metropolitan area] Blacksburg, VA Year/Make/Model: 1999 Ford Windstar SEL Body Style: [2dr/4dr/wagon] 4 dr van Engine: [3.5 liter, 4/6 cylinder, auto/manual] 3.8L Driveline: [FWD/RWD/AWD/4WD] FWD Mileage: 57,000 Color: [exterior/interior] Light blue (silver on bottom)with Grey Leather Major Options: [alloys, sun roof, etc.] traction control, airbags, alarm Condition: Great - car has been garaged 90% of the the time Details of interior and exterior, including dings, scratches etc. One small ding, very few small scratches, maybe one stain on the carpet Tires - new or % worn: 15% worn Brakes - good condition Maintenance - all scheduled maintenance done on time or ahead of schedule Other: Indicate prior damage/insurance claims, repaints, etc.: no damage or repaints
Looks like $6500 trade for the 2000... with a new Outback at $22,200... about $500 under invoice + $2k cash + the 0.0% 2yr financing for one of the remaining 06's. Seems like a decent deal.
I have a 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4X4 (never been off-road)with about 49K in very good condition, no accidents, no dents/scratches, interior very clean, never smoked in dark purplish brown color, fog lights and 10 disc changer second owner but service histiry is available, could use a set of tires soon, that we are trying to trade on something easier on gas. Knowing (at least i'm pretty sure in the assumption) that cars we are trying to trade for that the dealer has at most KBB fair to good condition $$ in, what is a reasonable trade for the Jeep and what is a reasonable profit for the dealer. For example, we were trying to trade on a 2003 Altima 2.5S, light brown, 2 owner, clean car with some dings, scratches on bumper, new tires, alloys, ABS, SAB that was a two owner with the first owner being Hertz, no service history available that has 68K. Started out that we would owe them $800 and we walked after them offering to give $500 back. I don't think that was much of a deal considering that the KBB (excellent condition) value for the Altima is only $9000. So, please give me a reality check, Thanks! Jim in Memphis
He was in Florida. This guy's last name is Terry. His first & middle name is Robert Ray and terry's screen name was rroyce. This article coincides with Terry's disappearance.
It may just be a conspiracy theory but there are too many coincidences IMHO.
I think it would've been classy for Terry to just put a post here on why he was absenting himself--he's too busy, or whatever, wish all you people luck, yada yada. Usually "just disappearing" doesn't......well it's just not a good policy in most situations with friends, acquaintences, etc. IMO.
I have my own theory about Terry's disappearance..... It has to do with having One Pricing Guru per forum...... an old member of the board (in the biz) re-appeared after a few years, & a couple of months later, Terry left.
Maybe it's just a coincidence, & my theory is all wrong. But I think Terry should have had "his own" forum, Officially, however edmunds could do that........
Don't buy it. Terry is/was one of the most respected members of the Endmund's community and a great help to a great many of us. He took hours out of his week just to look up and advise (probably the most accurate advice you could get for the value of a used car). He did all of us favors.
He helped me in a difficult situation when my son was having some car issues by personally e-mailing me information and taking time out of his day to do so.
Anybody with that type of mentality and class doesn't "cheat".
When he left, he was getting brow beat by yet another one of the posters who "knew everything" about the car business although he'd never worked in it. I think Terry just got tired of it.
BTW....there's a lot of us (including me) who've been around here a lot longer than April of 2001. That's just the date when Edmunds started keeping such stats.
Yeah I am surprised Terry stayed as long as he did when certain posters were contantly telling him he didn't know what he was talking about.
Basicly they were telling everyone that he posted here just to make more people buy into the idea of a low tradein value so that dealers can make more money off of people. He had some wacky conspiracy theories about the car business.
That's definitely not Terry who's been arrested. He knows how to get here if he wants to, and how to make his e-mail public if he wants to be contacted... and he quite possibly does not want his full name made public in the Forums.
Let's try to get back to trade-in values, pleeeeeeez?.
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REPOST: In Memphis, I have a 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4X4 (never been off-road) with about 49K in very good condition, no accidents, no dents/scratches, interior very clean, never smoked in, dark purplish brown color exterior, charcoal cloth inside; fog lights and 10 disc changer. Second owner but service history is available and could use a set of tires soon. We are trying to trade on something easier on gas. Knowing (at least i'm pretty sure in the assumption) that cars we are trying to trade for that the dealer has at most KBB fair to good condition $$ in, what is a reasonable trade for the Jeep and what is a reasonable profit for the dealer. For example, we were trying to trade on a 2003 Altima 2.5S, light brown, 2 owner, clean car with some dings, scratches on bumper, new tires, alloys, ABS, SAB that atarted life as a Hertz rental, no service history available. CAr has 68K miles. Started out that we would owe them $800 and we walked after them offering to give $500 back. I don't think that was much of a deal considering that the KBB (excellent condition) value for the Altima is only $9000. So, please give me a reality check. Any help/opinions will be appreciated. Thanks! Jim in Memphis
When he left, he was getting brow beat by yet another one of the posters who "knew everything" about the car business although he'd never worked in it. I think Terry just got tired of it.
Where was he getting brow beaten? I must've missed that.
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Downsides: stick shift, only 184 horsepower. It's been sitting on the pre-owned lot unsold for two months here in San Diego.
What do you experts think the dealer would be willing to do to cut this car loose?
Thanks!
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thanks in advance
Here is my wish list, Low miles "Sky Blue Pearl" paint, leather heated seats, no sunroof, a 4 cyl engine and rear window shade, (travel for weeks with a Black Catahoola in the back seat) So far I am SOL on everything including the 4 cyl engine in an 05 XLE.
The downside for me is that 184hp is just not very powerful. I drove the new Eos recently. It feels noticeably faster but has bad torque steer.
What does the price sound like for this deal?
Price $23,975
Body Style Toyoto Camry Sedan 2006 XLE
Mileage 7,845
Exterior Color Sky Blue Pearl
Interior Color Gray Leather
Engine 4 Cylinder Gasoline
Drive Type 2 wheel drive - front
Fuel Type Gasoline
Doors Four Door
Stock No. 060509646
VIN 4T1BE32K26U726692
Automatic, Air Conditioning, 4 Door, Power Windows, Power Locks, Tilt Wheel, Cruise Control, Dual Power Seats, Heated Seats, Cassette, CD Changer, Alloy Wheels, Leather, ABS, Keyless Entry
For a data point, the '05 330Cic that I leased last November had a selling price of $45,200... Probably had a $4K-$5K higher MSRP than the unit you are looking at..
I'd think a more reasonable price on that 325Cic would be down around $35K.. Strictly from a value standpoint... I have no idea what they might be actually selling for...
I forget... is it CPO?
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2004 Nissan Maxima SE
44K miles
Loaded, leather, roof, nav, xm, etc... all options available.
Mint condition
Buyout price is 19K.
Supposidly the original new car dealer likes the car since it's in mint condition. They'll send it to auction and buy it back for about 18K I'm told... cheaper than buying it from bank for 19K. Of course I can't get it for 18K since I can't go to the auction.
I like it @ $17=17500
2000 Subaru Outback limited
Portland, Oregon
automatic
140,000 huge miles
Maroon
Limited model with leather/sunroofs/upgraded OEM stereo
Exterior in good condidtion. Some small dings and a few scratches.
Interior in good condition. Some scratches and a few minor blemishes.
Tires getting near the end of their life.
Maintenance is all up to date and mechanically in good shape, although the check engine light comes on occasionally... needs a new catalytic converter. Okay, that's kind of major.
Prior damage included minor work to the rear quarter panel and a new bumper cover and rear hatch.
I would also like to know what I can expect to get if I trade this in at a dealer.
Here is the price tracking & vehicle information:
TRADE IN / PP / RETAIL
2-May
Edmunds- $8,263 /$9,703 / $11,235
Kelley Blue Book-$6,050 /$7,930 / $10,730
NADA- $9,225 /na / $11,650
Black Book- $7,510 /na / $9,525
17-Jul
Edmunds- $7,904 /$9,262 / $10,692
Kelley Blue Book- $5,510 /$7,460 / $10,315
NADA- $9,050 /na / $11,375
3-Aug
Edmunds- $7,789 /$9,128 / $10,549
Kelley Blue Book- $5,235 /$7,310 / $10,315
NADA- $9,050 /na / $11,375
Cars Direct- $6,850 /na / na
24-Aug
Edmunds- $7,831 /$9,190 / $10,646
Kelley Blue Book- $5,250 /$7,355 / $10,405
NADA- $9,000 /na / $11,300
Cars Direct- $6,823 /na / na
27-Aug
Edmunds- $7,831 /$9,190 / $10,646
Kelley Blue Book- $3,140 /$5,875 / $9,495
NADA- $9,000 /na / $11,300
Cars Direct- $6,823 /na / na
Location: Terre Haute, IN (47803)
Year/Make/Model: 2002 Jeep Liberty Sport
Body Style: SUV
Engine: [3.7 liter, 6 cylinder, auto]
Driveline: 4WD
Mileage: 115,000 (mostly highway)
Color: [black/black]
Major Options: All power options
Condition:
Good condition
exterior - a few rock chips and dings on hood
interior - will be in nice shape after cleaning
Tires - 6 months old
Other: New engine with 4k :lemon:
2nd owner (college female), gray/blue with gray cloth
alloys, PW/L, aftermarket CD, no spoiler (yay), cold AC
89400 miles, decent matching tires, clean CarFax, runs great, needs rotors desperately, body has a few scratches, nicks (no dents), hood a bit rashy and cracked headlight
For $2, I'll take three of 'em.
$3,500 at the auction just about anywhere north of Mason-Dixon.
Subarus bring insane money, and finding one under $5 is a chore. A new cat conv should be $400 installed, max.
-Mathias
(who's pretty much given up on Subies because of the above)
The demo I am currently driving is a 2001 Subaru Forrester with an auto tranny and 125,000 miles on it.
The dealership owns it for 5,000 dollars.
That completly blows my mind.
Well, they don't here.
By the time you get this car sorted out, you'll own it for over $3000
I don't like lumpy cars as a rule, you always find alot more wrong with them than you figured.
$3-3500 if it was nice.
P.S. The Ion isn't nearly as bad as ALL the reviews of it have stated.
Thanks.
Location: [city/state or nearest metropolitan area] Blacksburg, VA
Year/Make/Model: 1999 Ford Windstar SEL
Body Style: [2dr/4dr/wagon] 4 dr van
Engine: [3.5 liter, 4/6 cylinder, auto/manual] 3.8L
Driveline: [FWD/RWD/AWD/4WD] FWD
Mileage: 57,000
Color: [exterior/interior] Light blue (silver on bottom)with Grey Leather
Major Options: [alloys, sun roof, etc.] traction control, airbags, alarm
Condition: Great - car has been garaged 90% of the the time
Details of interior and exterior, including dings, scratches etc. One small ding, very few small scratches, maybe one stain on the carpet
Tires - new or % worn: 15% worn
Brakes - good condition
Maintenance - all scheduled maintenance done on time or ahead of schedule
Other: Indicate prior damage/insurance claims, repaints, etc.: no damage or repaints
2005 XC90 AWD, 2.5 Turbo
9K Miles
Silver Metallic Exterior; Charcoal Gray Interior
Premium Package (Sunroof, Leather, etc.)
Versatility Package (7 passenger seating)
Six CD changer
Park Assist
Excellent condition inside & out. No accidents
Seattle/Tacoma metro area
Thanks for your help!
Knowing (at least i'm pretty sure in the assumption) that cars we are trying to trade for that the dealer has at most KBB fair to good condition $$ in, what is a reasonable trade for the Jeep and what is a reasonable profit for the dealer.
For example, we were trying to trade on a 2003 Altima 2.5S, light brown, 2 owner, clean car with some dings, scratches on bumper, new tires, alloys, ABS, SAB that was a two owner with the first owner being Hertz, no service history available that has 68K. Started out that we would owe them $800 and we walked after them offering to give $500 back. I don't think that was much of a deal considering that the KBB (excellent condition) value for the Altima is only $9000. So, please give me a reality check,
Thanks! Jim in Memphis
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$32-33,000 Private.
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2006/08/fl_car_dealer.html
He was in Florida. This guy's last name is Terry. His first & middle name is Robert Ray and terry's screen name was rroyce. This article coincides with Terry's disappearance.
It may just be a conspiracy theory but there are too many coincidences IMHO.
Terry has been here since then.
From his profile:
User: rroyce10
Email: private
Member since: April 13, 2001
Last login on: August 29, 2006
His last post was in June, 2006, however.
This doesn't prove anything...just additional info I have provided. I certainly hope it isn't OUR Terry. Couldn't be!
But he wasn't sentenced until August 2006.
I'd be very suprised as well. From his postings, Terry seems to be an upstanding guy.
Yes, true, and noted, but also note the rroyce10 has logged into Edmunds (Car space?) as recently as Aug 29.
I also agree that Terry has been a very upstanding guy here on the Forms...
To explain his absence here, I'm thinking that he just got burned out..he was VERY active here, provided quie a service for us lay(persons)
I would love for rroye10 to stop by and at least set the record staight.
http://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/stories/2003/03/10/focus2.html
I'm glad he did, though..
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Someone logged into his account - it may have not been him.
I'm not saying that it's him, it's just so coincidental.
I have my own theory about Terry's disappearance..... It has to do with having One Pricing Guru per forum...... an old member of the board (in the biz) re-appeared after a few years, & a couple of months later, Terry left.
Maybe it's just a coincidence, & my theory is all wrong. But I think Terry should have had "his own" forum, Officially, however edmunds could do that........
He helped me in a difficult situation when my son was having some car issues by personally e-mailing me information and taking time out of his day to do so.
Anybody with that type of mentality and class doesn't "cheat".
When he left, he was getting brow beat by yet another one of the posters who "knew everything" about the car business although he'd never worked in it. I think Terry just got tired of it.
BTW....there's a lot of us (including me) who've been around here a lot longer than April of 2001. That's just the date when Edmunds started keeping such stats.
Basicly they were telling everyone that he posted here just to make more people buy into the idea of a low tradein value so that dealers can make more money off of people. He had some wacky conspiracy theories about the car business.
Let's try to get back to trade-in values, pleeeeeeez?.
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In Memphis, I have a 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4X4 (never been off-road) with about 49K in very good condition, no accidents, no dents/scratches, interior very clean, never smoked in, dark purplish brown color exterior, charcoal cloth inside; fog lights and 10 disc changer. Second owner but service history is available and could use a set of tires soon. We are trying to trade on something easier on gas.
Knowing (at least i'm pretty sure in the assumption) that cars we are trying to trade for that the dealer has at most KBB fair to good condition $$ in, what is a reasonable trade for the Jeep and what is a reasonable profit for the dealer.
For example, we were trying to trade on a 2003 Altima 2.5S, light brown, 2 owner, clean car with some dings, scratches on bumper, new tires, alloys, ABS, SAB that atarted life as a Hertz rental, no service history available. CAr has 68K miles. Started out that we would owe them $800 and we walked after them offering to give $500 back. I don't think that was much of a deal considering that the KBB (excellent condition) value for the Altima is only $9000. So, please give me a reality check. Any help/opinions will be appreciated.
Thanks! Jim in Memphis
Where was he getting brow beaten? I must've missed that.
So the buyers tip board and purchasing strats.