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Thanks a lot Roberte1,
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Either they lied blatantly or you misunderstood incredibly. Its not possible.. which anyone knows beyond the newest newbie.. any manager there should have known that or at least the F&I Mgr. It's so wild it seems made up.
If your contract actually has the VIN for a manual tranny and on the buyers order it says 'Add Automatic Transmission' you better take it to the General Mgr .. then Mazda District office.. Mazda USA.. and talk to the Better Business Bureau.
Or did you want a Mazda 3 that was on the lot and they said they would get one that had power and automatic? Were they planning to trade the car in from another dealer?
Clearly most people (especially in the car business) would know that you can't just change out power windows or locks, let alone a whole transmission! (At a reasonable price, of course...)
Our original poster can certainly clarify, but I'd be inclined to think that the deal was contracted for a car that was at another dealer.... and then they couldn't end up getting that car.
As the other guys have said, "adding" an automatic transmission is not going to happen.
Adding pwr windows etc. is also a really bad idea, but technically feasible. The only thing that makes sense (sort of) is the moon roof... that's doable.
So what you've told us doesn't make sense.
If you're making fun of us, OK. But I don't think you are.
I think there's a big misunderstanding going on. If they have the car you signed for -- pwr equipment, auto trans, etc. -- then I suggest you take it home.
If not, then you will get all your money back, but it might take a little time if they play hard-to-get.
All this stuff about "adding" equipment is not right. I think you have to first figure out what's "really" going on here. If they really put a moon roof in the car, they are going to balk at refunding your money... I would, too.
You have to figure out the FACTS.
The story is not right the way you told it to us. Find out what's really going on.
Good luck,
-Mathias
In any case, your contract says what it says, and the dealership must give you the car you've bought. I am sure there are plenty of unsold Mazda 3s left with the stuff you want, so let the dealer get you one. And if they already put a moonroof in a car you don't want, that's too bad for the dealer. The dealer will have to sell this car to someone else
If the dealer refuses to give you the car you want, take them to court, and ask for as much in punitive damages as you have audacity to ask. Such outrageous behavior shall be punished without mercy
It's a relatively low volume vehicle. So, I asked around in a few dealerships, and none of them knew of any rental places which would have that car. Bye-bye.
And the question is, why not rent the cars you sell? It's extra income, and it gives consumers a chance to appreciate the fabulous products you sell, without wasting your salesman's time. I know Toyota has such a program in the states (too bad not in Canada). What about the rest of the makes? What are you waiting for?
Depends on the store I guess.
Honda doesn't have a program like that but if a customer comes in and asks to test drive a car overnight or for the whole day, usually it can be arranged with a prior notice and a deposit.
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But, as most have already said, it's not going to transpire....particularly the part about swapping out a manual tranny for an automatic....let alone swapping out the manual windows for power windows. This sounds like you got a "green pea" sales person who made a mistake on what can/can't be done by the dealership.
But, if you didn't want a "stripper" car to begin with, why did you try to buy one? And then, add all the options you wanted? Expecially true since they've got the car you really wanted (with the options you wanted) on the lot.... :confuse:
Since you don't have any wheels right now, I'd call your local Mazda dealer. Tell them what you want. If they've got it, tell them you're interested. Then, ask them to send a lot boy over to pick you up so you can come in to inspect the car, make the deal, and then drive it home.
If what you're saying is true, I'd ask for a different sales person to help you.
You can do it... but it's not exactly financially feasible or efficient. You'd pay muuuuuch more for the new transmission and labor than you would to just buy it from the manufacturer with it already there.
Thanks, kdh.
-ss4
Well, ah..a store is a RETAIL business. Most stores try to buy the products they sell for wholesale and sell them for a profit...retail in other words.
Not all products have to be deeply discounted in order for them to sell. A 2001 Civic is a much sought after car that is in strong demand.
That dealer probably paid wholesale book for that Civic. They no doubt spent money on it getting it ready to show.
Depending on the sales tax rate in your area, your out the door offer was probably more like 10,000. We have no control over taxes, license etc.
Every time I get an OTD offer, I'll do the math backwards and show the customer exactly what they are offering.
If they walked you, it was because they had no fear of loss. They know the car will quickly sell for more money.
Good luck to you!
It probably will.
The market on these is nuts.
NO WAY would I pay $11 OTD for a 5-year-old economy car.
Buy a new one, or buy something else. Used Civics rarely make sense to buy at "market value".
$11 my foot.
-Mathias
The market is "nuts" in your opinion. In the opinion of many others they are a great value. I know we can't keep used Civics in stock.
Of course,now we don't have hardly any new ones either!
Objectively, you're better off buying new and keeping 15 years than buying 5 years old and keeping it ten.
What it really comes down to is "so much a month", i.e. payments rather than cents/mile. That's how it makes short-term sense.
"Where would the world economy be if the American consumer behaved responsibly?"
-Mathias
You would probably get a kick out of this...
Two Civics for sale. A 2004 LX low miles and a new 2006.
The 2004 is priced 2000.00 less than the new 2006.
Two different shoppers...
1. "Wow, do you mean for only another 2000.00 I can buy a brand new Civic?"
2. " Wow...if I buy that used one, I can save 2000.!!"
Everyone is different!
This year he traded it in on one of the last of the 05's -- the old style -- similar configuration (VP or LX -- can't remember which). After two years and 40k miles he ended up with a smaller payment on the new one - the used market is so strong on the used one that it pushed him in to a new one with no big $$ committment.
Query: why is the new price on the Civics (VP, end of model year) so low when the used price is so good? I'm think I'm with Mathias on this one -- on an economy car like this negotiate the heck out of it and buy it new -- if the dealer won't budge on price their are a dozen Honda dealers in my neck of the woods, and more than half of them do (not the new 06's -- yet -- but the history is that they sell for invoice around here or invoice - a certain amount). They aren't worth buying used compared to the new deals.
Observation: When I can negotiate an invoice deal on a Honda with less than 45 minutes worth of work -- and a real intent to buy, do I really believe that the dealer isn't making any money? Frankly, I don't worry about it. If they weren't making money they would have just said no -- which can be very refreshing.
1. "For only $40 a month more I can get a new one?"
2. "If I get that used one I can save $40 a month."
You will probably fine out all of the info that you need if you go to "Real World Trade in Values" in the Smart Shoppers thread.
Terry (rroyce10) will help you if you fill out all of the "particulars" listed just above where you type in the information. List all the info on both vehicles and he will give the best "value" he can.
Good luck, Mark156
New CE is $16100 AT, P/W+L. A 2004 w/ 20K is ~ $13900. The reason is the demand for used keeps the tradein values and wholesale values high. There is stupid money being paid at auctions for slightly used Corollas/Civics say $10K+ depending on the region. When you add fees and reconditioning then GL and certification your 'on-the-lot' cost is nearly $12000. If you dont stock Civics at a Honda store or Corollas at a Toyota store then you must stock Centurys, Cavaliers and Elantras.
Now that the 2006 is out and the 2005 sold out, people that want a Honda but don't like the looks of the 06 Civics tend to go for one or two year old Civics.
The used ones were a tough sell back during the summer when Honda had super low finance rates on the new 2005.
Quite often people looking at a two year old Civic would have higher monthly payments than a brand new one because the low interest rate made up for the higher price.
However when the Fit/Jazz comesout I think we're going to have trouble moving the used Civics again because they will be priced the same or more than a new Fit/Jazz.
Actually, question for you kdhspyder. When the Echo came out, did that have a negative impact on the sale of used Corollas because of the Echo's low price?
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It is possible that the new economy priced new cars will impact the used Civic/Corolla product. But I think it will not be too significant because the new vehicles Jazz/Fit or xA/xB are sooo different from the traditional Civic/Corolla sedan. If a traditional sedan buyer doesnt want a $16KUS Corolla/Civic then a $13-14KUS Certified vehicle is the answer.
Long answer...
After the first year here ( 2000 ) the Echo declined every year and ended up not being a factor so Toyota dropped it here last year. It was replaced by the Scion xA and xB and now the Yaris. In 2000 here they sold just under 49000 units, then 42K, then 34K, then... Not having any support the Corollas suffered price attacks from the Koreans because the Echo was not much of a factor in support.
So to answer your question the lack of support by the Echo actually hurt the Corolla
I'm convinced that all products have to have 'support' in order to succeed. by support I mean that certain clients especially the FTB and the basic commuter will look at a $15KUS Corolla and determine that it's too high for them that they need a $12KUS vehicle. However, as opposed to the case above, for personal reasons they demand a NEW model not a used one.
The options for this $12K buyer is to try to beat a new car store down from $15K to $12K ( VERY unlikely ) or look to Korea or something similar. Toyota/Honda dont want this potential longterm buyer leaving their family so they need to 'support' the base model Corolla/Civic with an attractive alternative in that range.
It serves two purposes:
1) obviously it keeps that buyer in the fold;
2) it keeps the main product ( Corolla/Civic ) from being eaten alive from the bottom up.
Just like nature abhors a vacuum so does a product line. If there was no Scion to support the CE Corolla under $15K then the CE would drop to the $14K level from $16K and the S and LE would drop by the same $2K to fill the place of the CE. Then the Base Camry would drop because the LE Corolla lost it's support.
In theory each model supports the one above it and needs the one below to be solid as well. Scion sales are booming as are Corolla sales as are Camry sales, etc
To keep the Scions solid the new Yaris this year will fill the gap from $11K to 13K.
On the top level the XLE V6 Camry supports the XL Avalon. They are both the same price but the $28K buyer can choose the semi-luxury feel of the Avalon, with standard features, or the more basic ride of the Camry with Maxed out features. Then the Limited Avalon supports the future Lexus ES350.
It's the same in the SUV segment where the Matrix supports the RAV and the new RAV will take over for the 4c Highlander supporting the Highlander line. Thus the New RAV will have a Limited model with the monster V6 and upscale features at ~$28K as an attractive alternative to the standard V6 Highlander at the same price.
In the seller's view, product support allows the buyer to have good choices while maintaining the integrity of the pricing throughout the whole product line.
We can't seem to give away a Century, Cavalier or Elantra.
As used cars, they can be a lot of car for the money and I often try to steer people toward them.
After a couple of months, we usually end up taking them to the auction and we often lose money in the end.
The other vehicles can be bought at auctions for less money so a 2 y.o. elantra is well below a new Corolla.
I guess it depends on what you think is a "decent" price.
------> Perhaps, Honda should make this fact available on its website, as it would certainly be attractive to some customers, who would not buy without test-driving, and would not test-drive with a salesman present
Obivously you wouldn't... but a ton of people will!
It's all supply and demand. If that's what the market dictates, then individual opinions here and there are just.... well, opinions.
However I'm sure any dealer would do that for a serious customer, depending on inventory conditions.
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Is it different for used cars? Because I always take 'em home overnight with absolutely no hassle, but I'm not buying new, either.
You mean because of implied obligation to buy afterwards?
I have done it couple of times already (one new, one used car) and was never pressured to buy beyond reasonable questions, like "when", "how", etc. I also made sure before that it was not binding by asking couple of times before I got one. And by the way I did not buy neither of the cars.
It is amazing how the perception of a vehicle can change once there is no one else around and you can drive on your own route, pull to a supermarket, drop a gear to pass, etc. So many small details come up. I don't actually need to have it overnight. One-two hours is enough...
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I'd consider Honda if I could find an 05' VP as it seems to be a good value. A couple lots around here did not have any. If I really wanted to get one, would I be able to insist on a locate?
Thanks