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  • jkidd2jkidd2 Posts: 218 are correct, you can always find a dealer that will be willing to sell you a car, no doubt, but expect to be gouged out the whazzo and pay a very high interest rate + they will force you to add options/extended warranties you don't want, etc....(believe me, I know...I went through it in my early 20's. I always say it was the hardest lesson I have ever learned) I guess I was thinking more on the line of when it comes time to buy a house or something like that, your bad credit will come back to haunt you. Good luck to you. might want to look in the SUV posts under the Infiniti QX4...I can't remember the persons exact moniker, I think it might have been QX4 Lemon or Infiniti Lemon...but he provides a really good history on how he dealt with a similar situation as yours. He also has a website that you can link to from his postings...that is good research for anyone going through an ordeal with a dealer. Might help? Best of luck to you.
  • whackowhacko Posts: 96
    Don't worry that you'll have to pay a higher interest rate due to your bad credit. Just be thankful that our country still allows you to get financed on a vehicle despite credit challenges.

    The good thing about it is that you'll be sort of forced to buy a more inexpensive vehicle because the bank will not want to take a bigger financial risk due to your unfavorable credit rating.

    Meanwhile, I admire you and I commend you for having the guts to do what you did. It's not often you hear someone be brave enough and strong enough to let something go at such a dear price. Keep your chin up and you'll do just fine.
  • Whoa, that is one of the worst stories I've ever heard of poor customer service from a dealer. What is wrong with these people? So far, my Pontiac dealer service has been way above my expectations. They've even fixed a few minor things I didn't even request!

    I realize the service guys may get a little frustrated and annoyed with a lemon car just like the owner does. But I would think they would have some human compassion for the car owner. And besides, that IS their job to work on the cars, isn't it? It's NOT the car owner's job to keep wasting their time bringing the car back to the dealer because the dealer was too incompetent to fix it right the first time. I would get on every message board and post the name and location of this dealership to make as many people as possible aware of their completely unacceptable behavior and service. Maybe in some way you can hit them in the pocketbook, where it counts.

    Definitely go to the BBB and to GM. If you know of any lawyer, maybe you can write some letters using their letterhead. That ought to shake somebody up.

    Let us know how you make out. We're all pulling for you on this one.
  • lindseylindsey Posts: 41
    It may be more than "inadmissable" to tape a phone conversation; it may be illegal. Just ask Linda Tripp. Generally, you can legally tape a phone conversation if you let the other party know you are doing so at the beginning of the conversation. However, you should check with an attorney in your state before doing so.
  • I don't mean to be over-critical, but this is certainly not what I'd be saying to my son if he had a car repossesed:

    "Meanwhile, I admire you and I commend you for having the guts to do what you did. It's not often you hear someone be brave enough and strong enough to let something go at such a dear price. Keep your chin up and you'll do just fine."
  • tonychrystonychrys Posts: 1,310
    It's all about personal responsibilty, like not running out on the check at a restaurant.

    Selling the car, and then paying off the loan and taking a loss is called being responsible for your debts and moving on.

    Simply defaulting on the loan is basically running out on the check. Now you are leaving it up to the creditor to sell the car and take the loss between whatever they can sell it for and the balance on the loan at the time of default.

    All because it may be "a big bank" that takes the loss, doesn't make it right or ethically responsible.

    Why do you think the congress is trying to pass legistlation at this very moment that will make it harder for individuals to declare bankruptcy? Because too many folks are using it as a "get out of jail free card".

    I don't know about you, but I was raised different. To each his own.
  • jkidd2jkidd2 Posts: 218
    I certainly agree with both of you (midlife and tony), but I am making an assumption that RPM9 is "youthful" in age.

    We have all made some really bad decisions in our youth that if we could have known then, what we know now, we would certainly have done it differently. Sharing our concern for what he did is one thing...but we don't need to ridicule him for it, like so many of our fellow "posters" like to do. Sometimes, no matter how well you were brought up, you make big mistakes. I had to learn the hard way, RPM9 will most certainly do so too.

    On a lighter/brighter note...I had to go to New Orleans this week on business and drove my GA. No problems....357 miles one way on a little over 3/4 tank of gas.....not bad huh?

    Got back early this a.m. and took it in and treated it to a detail and hand wax....looks Billy Crystal would say. Dump truck through a rock on the way there and put a ding in my windshield....p.o.'d me big time....

    Best to all....have a good weekend! Spring is here in Houston!
  • whackowhacko Posts: 96
    A man loses his job unexpectedly due to an injury and can't pay his bills. He has to file bankruptcy because he can't pay his bills due to his sudden unemployment. Do we ridicule him for a situation he had no control over? A woman gets divorced from a marriage and she can no longer depend on her significant other's income and therefore has to file bankruptcy because she can't pay her bills? Do we ridicule her because of a situation that she didn't have complete control over?

    RPM9 had an opportunity to refinance his vehicle and declined to do so because he no longer saw the value in his investment. He felt that the physical and emotional aspect of the car was not worth the fianancial investment that he had earlier agreed to? So is it right to ridicule a man who feels he made a grave financial mistake?

    Think about all the times we have returned items that we bought at a store and returned it because we felt that it was not a smart investment on our part.

    The only thing that differs between what RPM9 did is the fact that it was a much larger financial investment and that a piece of paper (a contract) was attached to it with a no money back guarantee.

    Hopefully, none of us will ever be put in the same situation as RPM9 was in regards to his vehicle. But to ridicule him is inappropriate. I prefer to pat him on the back, tell him it's going to be okay, and learn from his lesson.

    Good-luck RPM9! I admire you for your guts...
  • tonychrystonychrys Posts: 1,310
    I will respectfully disagree with you. Your examples I see as flawed. In your first paragraph, you list genuine hardship cases, and say we should have compassion for them. I agree with you 100%.

    But then you state RPM9 simply wanted "out". This is not a hardship case. This is buyer's remorse, and in many states you have 72 hours to change your mind (though not many). We're not talking a few days, but several months when he changed his mind!

    I'm sure RPM9 is a great guy and I'm not here to ridicule him or any one else. But I don't agree with want he did, that's all. Maybe you're right, maybe he is young and still learning (I'm not that old, and I'll always be learning till the day I die). But this country has a problem when everybody thinks they can just walk away from their decisions and responsibilities, when it's not due to hardship. Again, I'm not singling out RPM9, just making a general observation.

  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    let's return to discussing the Grand Am instead of the folks who post here.


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  • jkidd2jkidd2 Posts: 218
    Sorry, that was what I was hoping to do with my last post!

    Best to all!
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    thanks jkidd - that was just a general message, not directed at anyone in particular.

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  • If it ever stops snowing and raining here in the northeast, maybe I can go wash my car. It's been at least a month and I'm getting edgy. The only thing I've done is hose down the car and wash off salt and sand from the wheel wells.

    I bought a partial cover for the front of my hood. It is a black thick vinyl that covers about one foot of the hood, protecting it from rock dings. During the first year and a half, I got about a half dozen dings in this area.

    My co-worker said to be careful of car covers, because they can trap dirt inside and scratch the paint. I make sure I thoroughly clean the cover when I wash the car. So far I've only seen a tiny amount of grime inside the cover. Also, the paint supposedly does not fade like the rest of the car. The directions said not to leave a wet cover on your car on days where the car would be exposed to the bright hot sun.

    This is not a full car bra, as I didn't want to cover the whole front end, just the front of the hood. I bought it from for about $27.

    Does any body else have experience with hood covers on the 1999-2001 Grand Ams (or other cars)? Are there any other problems I could expect?
  • tonychrystonychrys Posts: 1,310
    "Does any body else have experience with hood covers on the 1999-2001 Grand Ams (or other cars)? Are there any other problems I could expect?"

    I have used these in the past, and you have covered all the cavaets already. Because I never garaged my car, they were more trouble than they were worth. Every time it rained, you'd have to take it off, hang it somewhere to dry, and then put it back when it was finally dried out. The dirt/debris getting trapped between the cover and your hood is a very real danger, it'll act like sandpaper due to the road vibrations.

    I'm not saying that they don't serve a purpose, they do. But the long term ownership became more of a hassle and I ended up just not using it.

    For an alternative to front end protection click here.

  • jkidd2jkidd2 Posts: 218
    Check this site out....might be some help.


  • rpm9rpm9 Posts: 73
    Hi everyone, thanks for all the input -- both positive and negative. But despite what I've done, I can still count my blessings that I'm young, healthy, employed, and have good friends and a loving family for their support.

    I know that I made a decision that I will pay dearly for, for many years to come. But I'm not ashamed of it.

    When it comes right down to it, all I really did was return an item that I no longer was satisfied with.

    But either way, the sun will still rise the next day, progress will still move forward, and life will go on with many more lessons to teach us...
  • My two cents...

    My previous car was a 99 Chevy Malibu for which I had a front end cover. It's really not as bad as some people think. I ordered mine directly from GM so I knew it would fit perfectly. Contrary to popular belief, you DO NOT have to remove the cover when it is wet (e.g. after it rains). The covers are designed to dry off while you are driving and even when you're not driving, the water doesn't get trapped under the cover.

    The only time I took my cover off was when I washed the car and a few times to actually clean the underside of the cover itself, which is recommended every few months.

    I will not lie, yes some dirt and pieces of leaves and things get trapped under the cover, but not enough to do any damage. I mean, I am talking a very small amount of dirt and debris. And really, most of the dirt gets caught up in the edge of the cover near the wheel wells and along the headlights and/or fog lights.

    I had my cover on the Malibu for about 6 months and never had any problems. I know have a 00 Grand Am SE and am picking up my front end cover from the dealer this week :)

    Just make sure you read the information that came with the cover so you know how to take care of it. Unless you're going to let your car sit out in the sun for longer than 3 or 4 weeks without driving it, you don't need to remove the cover. A good cover will also have an anti-mildew backing on it.
  • bmarkbmark Posts: 52
    RPm, like many people have posted, you will be able to get a loan, but the interest rate will be in the 20+ range, also I hope you own a house, I work in mortgages, and A repossession, voluntary or not, will keep you from getting a mortgage with Fannie mae for about 4 years.
    To Vocus, when a car gets repossessed, they sell it for what they can get for it, so if RPm owed 17,000 and they could sell it for 17000 he would be ok. But if they could only sell it for 14,000 they would still come after him for the other 3,000.
    By the way my 2000 GT is still an amazing car. 28,000 miles and no problems.
  • jdexter23jdexter23 Posts: 94
    I also had a hood cover on my camaro for 4 years, and it DOES cause scratches at the edge of the cover. Like the_art_guy, I didn't have to take it off when it rained either. I didn't notice any fading difference in the paint, just a difference in wax build up. On the other hand, the scratches are minimal compared to the chips from thrown stones.

    I went for a long drive from central Massachusetts to Portland Maine and got 29.5 MPG. It wasn't entirely highway driving and I wasn't trying to be fuel conservative. Not bad. Now if only I could find the rattle in my roof I would be totally happy...
  • rpm9rpm9 Posts: 73
    It doesn't matter to me that I have to pay a higher interest. I just appreciate the fact that despite what happened, that I can still get financed on a car. In other countries, when you can't pay your debt, they cut off your arm. But in America, we're forgiven and they give us second chances. In the most truest form -- God Bless America!
  • rgreene5rgreene5 Posts: 3
    Hello I wrote about my terrible experience with a dealer a couple of weeks ago (#806)and I wanted to give a little update and also other questions. Thanks for everyone giving me comments, it gave me a lot to think about. I spoke to GM about what happened with the dealer and they basically told me they can no longer help me if I am going to the BBB. So now which would be better letting GM handle it, or the BBB. What would either of them do. To file a complaint with the BBB at the end of the form you must list what you want out of it. I would like an apology first of all, but can I even ask for that? I will never go there again, so what exactly can I get out of it? I would like the dealership to know that is no way to treat people and I wish they could lose business, but that is not an option. What is the BBB going to do to them? Also if a dealer says there is nothing wrong with the car and I say that there is and that was the 4th time the dealer couldn't fix the brake problem with my 2000 pontiac gt grand am, does that fall under the lemon law? The first time I even took it in for the brakes nothing was wrong either, but the second time I had new brakes and rotors all around. The third and fourth time nothing is wrong, but I say there still is. GRAND AM GT FOR SALE!!
  • tonychrystonychrys Posts: 1,310
    From what you posted above, say to GM "fine, I'll drop the BBB if you tell me what you are going to do to resolve the situation."

    The most important thing in this whole process is that you have to document everything in case it does get to lemon law status. Even if you have a conversation with someone, document it with time, date, etc.

    If you are talking warranty service, can't you take it to another dealer?
  • pwilliamkpwilliamk Posts: 21
    I have a '00 SE2. I have complained of several problems with the car to the dealer that they can't seem to reproduce when I take it in.
    I have had problems with the steering vibrating on the highway (not due to warped rotors), I am just highway driving and it seems to be quite rough. The other problems that I mentioned to them were wet front floors and a diesel engine type of noise coming from the engine when I get off the highway. Anyone else have these problems? I do have the 4cyl. engine.

    Are cosmetic problems covered under the basic warranty. My groundeffect of the drivers side is cracked in the front wheel well and is chipped in several places on the passenger side. The plastic molding that runs along the bottom of the door windows seems to have settled on both sides. It is about 1/4 to 1/2 inch lower on back windows. Would this stuff be covered under warranty.

    Thanks for any help
  • roderacerroderacer Posts: 311
    I had the same issue with vibrations at speed with my TBIRD. Took it to a local mechanic. He told me to get new rubber. Put a set of fresh Yokohama's on, and PAPOW. Vibes were gone.

    Not familiar with Pontiac's but this may help you out.

  • pwilliamkpwilliamk Posts: 21
    The thing is that I only have 12000 miles on my car and have the 16" rims with the Goodyear LS tires. I just had the tires rotated and balanced so I don't understand why the vibration is still there.

  • nerssnerss Posts: 43
    The problem could be a bad bead or tread problem in the physical tire itself. I had a 98 GMC Sonoma and I separated a bead in my tire on a massive pothole (MI roads) and I couldn't get rid of the vibration until I noticed a bulge in the tire and replaced it. I hope that this solves your problem.
  • jkidd2jkidd2 Posts: 218
    Hi Everyone...

    Found this on the web this evening...provides some info on the upcoming Epsilon based GA and some nice comments about the current GA too. Nice to hear...

  • rpm9rpm9 Posts: 73
    One thing I miss about my 00 GA/V6 is the engine. That 3.4L was a very smooth powerplant. It's much smoother and seems more powerful than my 94 Mazda 626's 2.5L V6 engine. But then again, my Mazda is seven years old and the GA was brand new.

    However, what I don't miss about my GA was the steering. It was much too light and it always felt like I didn't really have a good feel of the road, especially when I was making sharp turns. For me, the handling of the GA was unsatisfying.

    In the past, I've owned an 86 Honda Prelude Si, an 88 BMW 325is, a 95 Mazda Millenia S, a 97 Nissan Maxima GLE, and now a 94 Mazda 626 LX. The 00 Grand Am's handling was inferior to all these cars I've driven and owned.

    But that Grand Am V6 engine was one of the best. However, the Maxima V6 was without a doubt, the very best V6 engine I have ever driven.
  • I've heard the Maxima engine is quite good. Just out of curiosity, why did you get rid of the 1997 Nissan if it was so good?

    I have a 1999 Grand Am GT. It is by far the BEST handling car I've ever owned. And I've been driving for over 20 years now and owned about a dozen cars. The GT package makes an incredible difference. I didn't notice it too much when I did a quick test drive of the GT and SE models. But as I drove the car more and more, the difference was apparent.

    I guess the major downfall of the SE is the tire itself. If you like turn-on-a-dime steering and can handle a slightly less smooth ride, I'd recommend the GT. If you have an SE, it seems most people have replaced their tires.
  • tonychrystonychrys Posts: 1,310
    I don't get it, my experiece is just the opposite. I have a '99 GA SE2 and folks complain when they drive my car that the steering is too sensitive and precise. Most folks are use to steering that is loose and "floaty". My GA goes exactly where I want it with a flick of the wrist.

    As to ride, I can't imagine it getting any harsher, with the present low-profile tires you feel every bump, plus, the suspension really has no "cushion". This car is defintely set up for "driving", not lux-cruising.
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