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  • denniswadedenniswade Posts: 362
    was repeat what the latest comparison test of these cars said.

    For the record, the cars tested were:

    Mercedes S430 with 4,3L V8, at $78,305
    BMW 740iL with 4.4L V8, at $71,070
    Jaguar XJ8L with 4.0L V8, at $65,950
    Lexus LS430 with 4.3L V8, at $61,171

    Those were the models that most closely approximated each other, price-wise. My point was that you can get better performance from all three European cars, but you'll have to pay more for it, thereby increasing the price gap between them and the Lexus. However, if performance is your bag (as it is mine), it would be well worth your while, I'm sure. Glad you like your car!
  • bwhbwh Posts: 76
    I'm glad this discussion came back to include the 7 series cars. Yesterday we dropped off the 750 for some service. This thread has really spurred my interest in the Lexus. So my wife and I decided to take a close look at one. They did not have the Ultra Lux version availible for a drive, we took the model one step below U.L. I had always argued that I liked the 7 series for its sporting nature and that the Lexus was too soft. Well after an extended drive I recind that arguement. What amazed me was that My 750 has a much smoother and quieter ride than the LS430. The tires on the Lexus registered every bump in the road, and the road noise on the highway was LOUD for a car said to be so luxurious.Honestly, I am not posting this in a attempt to stir the pot. My wife was also amazed at how loud (relatively) the LS was. I told the salesman that I was very much impressed by the way the car drove. It is a huge improvement over the LS400 in my opinion. But there is no way the Lexus has a quieter, smoother ride than my 750. This comparison includes the 750 running on 18" 50 series front and 45 series performance tires over Minnesotas spring potholes. I also like the BMW interior much better than the Lexus with the MB a distant third. I looked in the passenger foot well and there was an ugly white plastic duct that resembles a dryer vent. The ducts under the seats as well are too exposed and ugly in the LS. The myriad of rear controls on the LS ultra were pretty neat. Getting a massage in back is a cool little perk. What doesn't work for me are the rear seat recliners that reduce legroom as they recline. BMW does this better as well. At 6'3" I found rear headroom to be thin as well. I am spoiled on the LWB BMW. The NAV system on the Lexus is clearly the best on the market, I really like the voice prompts and the multi color display.

    I was VERY impressed with the Lexus, we may arrange a drive in the Ultra Lux. But I think I still prefer the BMW. The 750 is quieter, smoother, more powerful, better looking, and far more spacious. Crappy dealers and too many visits to them have spurred the consideration of the Lexus. I found the role reversal interesting, my conception of the comparison was very different before yesterday.

    And BTW the dealer told me the Euro Tuned suspension on the Lexus has been dropped. Is this the case? I would be interested in driving that one as well.
  • denniswadedenniswade Posts: 362
    says that the Lexus with the sport suspension rides more firmly than the Merc or Jag, but rated it tops for engine, road and wind noise; it tied for first on ride, with Merc. Interestingly, they said the BMW's fit and finish inside and out were bested only by the Lexus -- counter to your impression. And they did say that although the BMW's ride is the stiffest in the group, it never felt harsh. I wonder if the Lexus' tires had anything to do with the impact harshness you experienced.

    I imagine that the LWB BMW would have a more supple ride due to the longer wheelbase and greater weight, and would certainly have more legroom. It's a gorgeous car in any case. If BMW had the Lexus customer experience, they'd be unstoppable.
  • bwhbwh Posts: 76
    Yes the tires admittedly did factor in. The Lexus was fitted with Bridgestone Blizzaks. I am still concerned though because I ran Michelin Arctic Alpins all winter on the BMW and never noticed THAT much noise. I also think the double pane windows fitted to the 750 made a substantial difference in wind and road noise intrusion. I don't think the double panes are availible on 740s and I know they are not on the M-B or Lexus.

    It wasn't that the fit and finish was poor by any stretch. I just didn't care for the execution of a couple of details.

    I agree wholeheartedly on the customer service end. While they were really kissing butt this time around, there was a reason. The last time the car was in for service they put over 300 miles on the car without clearing it with me. The guy that drove it moved in, new radio staitions, and power seat settings in memory. In addition the simple fact that it needs a dealer visit at all, as new as it is, bothers me. This is the trade off I willingly made though when I bought the car. I do wonder about a Euro Tuned suspension on the LS430, was the salesman correct, is it dead?
  • I have a 97 750il and am looking to trade on a 2001 LS430. The ultra and "base" Lexuses I drove both had fine rides and were very quiet. The dealership did have two sport models on the lot.

    Service at my BMW dealership is O.K., but I have to visit too often. The last visit they reversed my power window button. Their loaner cars, if you can get one, are old, dirty VW Jettas.
  • bwhbwh Posts: 76
    Did you notice much/any difference between the two suspensions? I know the Ultra is an air suspension.

    Maybe it was the tires. The only problem is that I would have to live with that noise 6 months out of the year. My 750 is pretty quiet on snows.

    Fortunately my dealer offers new 323s as loners. The other dealer in town sticks you in a Taurus. Pure purgatory after dropping off a 750.
  • denniswadedenniswade Posts: 362
    "Service at my BOW dealership is O.K., but I have to visit too often. The last visit they reversed my power window button. Their loner cars, if you can get one, are old, dirty WV Jettas."

    Sounds like you've got a really dim-bulb dealer. I honestly can't imagine a normal BOW (or any other luxury brand) dealer sticking the owner of a 750iL in a Jetty -- that's just pure stupidity.

    Brent: The EM Bridge stones on ALL Toyota and nexus products are universally abhorred. I switched to Sumitomos and never looked back -- my wife's Celica is next.
  • denniswadedenniswade Posts: 362
    I ran spell check on my last post, and it substituted BOW for BMW. Looks like Edmunds' spell check is a dim bulb too! LOL

    Oh yeah -- that's "Jetta" (not "Jetty") in the second paragraph and "OEM" tires in the last paragraph (not "EM"). "Bridge stones" was supposed to be one word (not a construction material), and the brand is "Lexus" -- not "nexus".

  • ddp3595ddp3595 Posts: 1
    I am thinking of buying a 94 320 S with 111,000 miles. Other than the miles the car is stunning...please give your thoughts on long term maintenance and what you think I can expect in terms of overall value. Are the miles too high??

    Thanks for your help!!
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382

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    Need 740 Info. My 735iL just got totaled by some inattentive fool. So I'm looking to replace with an early 740. Anyone out there know how long BMW had problems with the early V8's? Was it the whole 1993 model year or just the real early ones? Any tips would be appreciated.
  • News: BMW dumps its Vanos technology for Toyota's superior Vvt-i technology... for better fuel economy, smoothness and emissions

    toyota to supply 200,000 units in 2001, 800,000 units by 2003

    Toyota had already been supplying volvo and renault

    Will mercedes be next?

  • re:945

    goto to get more info

    from what I hear, even the alusil replacements for the nikasil block were not durable and were prone to premature failure.. thru 1999...

    I think this V8 was an hurried attempt to combat the onslaught of the lexus/infiniti V8's in 1990...

    and I think BMw still hasn't gotten it right...

    I wouldn't drive a BMW V8 or any BMW for that matter without a comprehensive warranty

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  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    MB abandoned variable valve timing technology (which they used and developed for years) for variable length runners, beginning in 1997 with their all new line of engines (V6, V8, and now the V12). I highly doubt that they'll be using Toyota's technology anytime soon, even when their new direct injection gasoline engines make their debut for 2005.

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  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081

    Nope. Mercedes won't be next.

  • re: #948

    I dunno...

    Hyundai already incorporates variable valve technology in it's gasoline direct injection engine(4.5litre V8) and remember Diamler-Chrysler-Mercedes have formed a strategic alliance with Hyundai...
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    Yes they have, I don't believe that it is for engine technology. MB will develop their own and debut it first. That was part of the agreement with Chrysler, for example, that MB's vehicles will always feature the new innovations first (ex. curtain airbags) before Chrysler's.

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  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382

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  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Hi - I am PR Director for and often am approached by journalists looking to talk with consumers for various automotive stories. Currently, I'm helping a major newspaper find consumers who are experiencing "gadget backlash." Did you buy a vehicle filled with exciting techno-gadgets, and wish you didn't? Have you given up trying to play a CD, set the ambient temperature or use the navigation system because the controls are just too complicated? Did you drive off the lot in your new vehicle without getting a full explanation of all the toys, figuring "how hard could it be?" and are now realizing it's more confusing than you could have imagined? What experiences have you had with the Mercedes joystick and the Volvo radio, both of which feature a lot of functionality but seem less intuitive than traditional controls?
    This story will touch on the following trends:

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  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Hi from's PR Department.

    A journalist from one of the country's largest newspapers has asked us for help finding consumers who recently purchased a Lexus L430, Mercedes C class or BMW 3 series after considering a more expensive vehicle, or anyone who recently considered purchasing a luxury vehicle, but decided not to because of the economy.

    If you fit this description and care to share your story, please respond to and/or with your e-mail, phone number, city and state of residence, and a brief description of your experience. The journalist promises to keep you identity hidden at your request.

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  • I found this at AMI AutoWorld Weekly at this address:

    I hope that you enjoy the site. I am sorry if it has been posted before.

  • I am considering buying a used '98 BMW 740iL. 64,000 miles - asking $35,000. Standard features. Any recommendations or knowledge about this model would be greatly appreciated.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421

    You might also want to check out the discussion at this link: BMW 7 Series. There is a lot of information there already that may be helpful to you, and it would be a good place to ask your questions.

    Good luck.

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  • Thanks for the advice.

    The link answered a lot of my questions without having to even ask.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Glad to hear it - but please feel free to join in the conversation. I'm sure the folks there would love to hear from you.

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  • mike_542mike_542 Posts: 128
    Does anyone here know any more information about the 2002 or '03 BMW 745i? I'm guessing it has a 4.5 liter Double VANOS engine mated to a 5 speed Steptronic. I think there may be design clues from the BMW Z9 concept and X coupe concept. Too bad there are no M-style mirrors.

    For the Bimmer site about it, go to:

  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    A good place here in Town Hall to ask that question is our active discussion at this link: BMW 7 Series. Why don't you drop by and ask if the folks following that conversation have any information for you?

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  • jbreevesjbreeves Posts: 1
    I recently purchased a 1998 740iL on eBay. It had 59,XXX miles, and I got it for a mere $30,600. The car is in outstanding condition and is a dream to drive. It has exceeded my lofty expectations. If you would like to know specifics, you may email me at

    Here it is:

    As I type this, there are fifty 7 series bimmers on eBay.
    Brent Reeves

  • fennfenn Posts: 197
    After fading out of serious contention in this class over the last few years, I think that the new 2002 Q45 deserves serious consideration. It is a contender, if not a winner...... It is quiet and comfortable, It is faster than the other cars listed on this board. It has more technology than the other cars in this discussion. And, the fit and finish and quality of materials is excellent. To top it off, it is far less expensive than the competition. Before anybody dismisses this new car, they should drive one. It is quite a car.
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