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Audi A4 2004 and earlier



  • spike66spike66 Posts: 20
    I am glad that I am not the only one that notices this. I live in MN and have experienced the same thing this winter w/ my '01. When visiting a friend in Texas three weeks ago, I noticed how easy her truck lid opened. Upon returning to MN, during my next service appointment I asked the service dept to replace the lid struts. When I cam back they told me that there was nothing wrong and that this is normal in the winter. I was disappointed, but that is really the only problem I have had in the since I bought it. Otherwise, it is the best and funnest vehicle I have owned!!
  • imprtlvrimprtlvr Posts: 38
    From what I've read and seen in other posts, the older 1.8's can have problems, such as the turbo going out. But for the 2001.5 and up model year there was something like 2300 changes made to the Volkswagen/Audi line, including the engines. I've read many posts over on the new Passat page and nobody is having any problems with their Passats with the 1.8 Turbo. Consumer Reports recently named the Passat "best buy" in it's category, and since the A4 is closely related to the Passat it's probably about the same.
  • lauk0dglauk0dg Posts: 563
    Yeah I am convinced that it's the cold weather that slowed down the trunk lid movements. I park mine outside and the other two A4/S4 I tried opening their trunk lids got garages so they are kept nice and warm. Do you keep your car in a garage? If so, is it heated?

    However, that's not an excuse.....Audi gotta do something to correct that. Thanks for letting me know I'm not the lone ranger.

  • JBaumgartJBaumgart Posts: 890
    We have a '98.5 2.8Q and have never had any problem with the trunk lid - it pops right up very easily. And we live in Minnesota too.
  • gymshoegymshoe Posts: 80
    this is a response to some post a few days back.
    Even though we in Washington state don't pay state income tax, we get it in the butt for sales tax...which is 8.8%, and in restaurant tax of 9.1%
    but that's at least only in the seattle area.
  • lauk0dglauk0dg Posts: 563
    Downtown Chicago sales tax is around 8.75% and last week I noticed the restaurant we dined in charges almost 10% for in restaurant tax. It's happening again yesterday in Chinatown, 10% in restaurant tax. So you guys are lucky in Seattle, especially our gas price was 2nd highest after San Fran.....

    Speaking of gas prices.....darn it's creeping up again.....$1.69/gal in the suburbs, $1.79/gal in downtown Chicago for Juice 93.

  • drod2045drod2045 Posts: 39
    "thanks drod2045.
    But, I still have a question.
    So, you mean I have to give a tip to gas station workers everytime? They gonna call the police or something?"

    no they wont call the police. You just pay em a little extra. YOu only have to do it once every 2 years. its your choice. plenty of people have "illegal" tint in NJ.
  • entombedentombed Posts: 11
    I think you are talking about inspection. right?
    So, it's gonna be DMV or other insepction stations not a gas station. huh?
  • dej0dej0 Posts: 36
    Hi Gang,
    I took delivery of my new A4 3.0Q with sport, 6 speed, sunroof and xenons last friday. It is red with the tan interior. It looks great! Delivery was very pleasant, quick and no delays. We had had some previous problems with the dealer in terms of delays, but nothing wrong on delivery day. In fact, they were more ready than when my wife and I signed for delivery of her new BMW the week before.
    The car is great, I was nervous that after driving the bimmer I would not be too excited about it. I had nothing to be nervous about. The Audi 3.0 is more powerful than the 325. The '02 shifting is smoother than my previous '97, but it is not as smooth as the bimmer. This is the only area I feel the Audi is behind the BMW. The radio/CD controls are a little confusing at first. It might be nice to have volume control on the steering wheel. I find the engine note to be very pleasant, more so than the '97 1.8T. I know some people feel that the 3.0 is aneamic compared to what it could be, and they are probably correct. Still, it is a fun drive and I am enjoying it. My wife is sick today, so I had my choice of cars. I did not even occur to me to take the BMW until I got to work, that says it all.

    sunroofs: Living in NC, I can use a sun roof many days of the year. Even in the summer I often dump the AC in favor of it. My daughter hated it as a baby, but as a rambunctious 2 year old, she likes it. It is a sunny day here in NC, think I might leave early for a long drive home.

  • eawegeaweg Posts: 50

    I took delivery of my 3.0 6spd quattro last week...I have the same sentiments as you do. I love the car...especially here in Charlotte...yesterday was a prime example for great sunroof usage!

  • dej0dej0 Posts: 36
    Congrats on the new car. Did they tell you anything about a break in period? The Audi guy in Cary never said a word. I have been taking it easy so far. Yesterday was a great day for a drive.

  • dej0dej0 Posts: 36
    Hey Gang,
    Anyone thinking about going to one of the various driving schools Audi now offers? I read about it on the web site. When we took delivery of my wife's 325, I went to the BMW plant in SC. They gave us a short driving school course. It was loads of fun, and I left with a taste for more. I am curious if the Audi school teaches more about using the quattro feature to its fullest.

  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,343
    The Audi driving school, which I have attended four times now, is the most important and one of the most enjoyable experiences I have ever had the pleasure to undertake. Several of the folks in my company, their spouses and my wife and I attended in January 2001 together. We enjoyed it so much and felt its value to be so great -- and that it was a spectacular bargin, we have decided to do it again together in 2003 (my wife and I went "along for the ride" in 2002, again). Shhhhh. Germany and Austria in January are FANTASTIC (and the crowds are minimal -- its like you have Munich and Innsbruck to yourself!).

    Here is what we wrote the editor of the quattro club of America -- we are all (8 of us went together) members:

    On Friday, January 19, 2001 eight excited Cincinnati residents and Audi owners departed the Cincinnati airport bound for the Holy Land - Inglostadt, Germany - the home of Audi AG, of course.

    First stop, Munich - what a fun city, what a great time. Munich is truly a magical worldly city that is incredible to visit and is simultaneously a place in which most Americans would thoroughly enjoy living. Indeed, Munich had each member of our group under her spell - we all still are scheming for a return visit. Three of our group had been to Munich previously - my wife and I have had the great joy of visiting this city over a dozen times within the last few years; and, another member of our group, Mike Jarvis has been to Munich on two other occasions including Oktoberfest.

    We checked into the luxurious five-star Bayerischer Hof, in the center of the walking district of the city - just off the Marienplatz. As it was just after 11 AM Saturday, we could not yet get into our rooms so we all decided to take a brief walk and have some lunch.

    We walked the pedestrian only Fussgangerzone to the Glockenspiel, took in the sights, sounds and smells of this grand spectacle and headed for one of the best delicatessens on the Planet - the Alois Dallmayr. The Dallmayer is Germany's most famous delicatessen. After looking at its irresistible array of delicacies from around the world, you will think you have found a Royal Supermarket.

    We took a quick tour of this bustling indoor fresh food shop - which in many ways reminds the Frequent Traveler of the fabulous food halls at Harrod's in London. We then made our way to the second floor restaurant for a delicious meal including fresh green salad, soup, breads and some excellent German white wine.

    Recommendation #1: visit and dine at the Dallmayer.

    Afterwards, we all took a much-needed 3-hour nap - the key component of our anti-jet-lag regimen -followed by hot showers and even hotter coffee or chocolate or the American standby, Coke. Another walk through the city center: a left, a right and another left turn and we found ourselves at the famous Munich watering hole - the Hofbrauhaus. Inside, we introduced our first-time-to-Munich companions to the Hofbrauhaus tradition of sitting at long picnic tables and drinking beer with total strangers. As usual, when we left the table we had made four new friends, exchanged e-mail addresses and had raised our glasses many times in song. What fun!

    Recommendation #2: even if you are not a beer drinker, stop into the Hofbrauhaus for some true Munich hospitality and revelry.

    Back to the hotel to freshen up and on to one of the truly spectacular dining experiences you will ever have: an "evening" at the French-German restaurant, Tantris. Our original 8 travelers were joined by Joe and Karen Chadwick (of quattro club fame) for an 8 course, four and one half-hour food extravaganza (although it is tempting to call it a food orgy).
    If you are contemplating coming to a future Audi Driving Experience in Germany, this is an evening that is absolutely worth every pfennig of the approximately 350 DM per person tab. No restaurant in Munich even comes close to equaling this place. You will be tempted to use this restaurant as the standard to which you compare all others - no matter in what continent, country or city. It is just that good.

    According to two members of our group, Mike Jarvis and the aforementioned Ms. Chadwick, " . . .this is the best restaurant in the world!" Possibly. Yet, undoubtedly, Tantris must be one of the best on anybody's list.

    Recommendation #3: when in Munich, do not miss this experience. Save your money, mortgage your house - dine at Tantris.

    Sunday morning our group took a three-hour bus tour of Munich, which included stops at the site of the 1972 Olympics and the summer palace Schloss Nymphenburg. Although Nymphenburg is best appreciated in spring and summer, it is still a grand winter spectacle nonetheless. The palace facade is in a restrained baroque style. The palace interior is less restrained, however. Upon entering the main building, you are in the great hall, beautiful with rococo colors and stuccos. There are frescoes depicting incidents from mythology, especially those dealing with the goddess of spring, Flora, and her nymphs - the origin of the palace's name.

    Recommendation #4: take this tour - especially if, like us, you arrive in Munich on Saturday morning and leave for Ingolstadt Monday morning.

    Sunday evening, we dined with the quattro club members - in the hotel's cellar restaurant. We ate and drank traditional German food and beer, which is to say very good (especially the beer), and had a delightful and somewhat rowdy evening with our fellow club members.

    Recommendation #5: dine with the club members - and use this event to pick your partner for the upcoming driving experience. Our group chose not to drive with spouses - in hindsight, a wise choice.

    Monday morning the bus Audi provided took the 40 members of the quattro club north to the city of Ingolstadt - the Holy Land - home of Audi AG. At Audi Headquarters we enjoyed lunch with Audi executives, the "factory tour," a visit to the newly opened Audi Museum, and then we capped off our visit with time in the Audi Boutique. One quattro club member, Joe Savage, remarked, " . . .I thought I was buying a car, what I got was a lifestyle." A three-hour bus ride on the autobahn south to Seefeld, Austria followed.

    Recommendation #6: take the tour, visit the museum and leave the Audi Boutique richer - with your DM - than you found it.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,343
    If there is such a thing as a six-star ski-resort hotel, Audi found it in the hamlet of Seefeld, Austria. The Hotel Alpenkoenig, like Tantris, may just be the standard against which other resort-hotels can be judged. Remarkably, this hotel even offered cosmetic surgery - which is worth mentioning simply because it is novel.

    Tuesday morning 7 AM: breakfast in the hotel followed by a one-hour class to introduce the drivers to the theory and terminology that would be used throughout the training. Our instructors presented explanations of oversteer and understeer coupled with graphics depicting the differences between front, rear and all-wheel drive vehicles. Of course we already knew that all-wheel drive is the best configuration and too that the Audi quattro system is the best all-wheel drive.

    Next, to the cars and almost two days of driving exercises (on ice) - some timed some not - culminating in a competition. The Audi instructors laid out a course on the ice that put together all the elements of each driving exercise into one huge track. Driving skills in braking, steering, power sliding, lane changing, and obstacle avoidance, etc. were all required in this exercise. Orange cones delimited the course, and if a driver hit a cone it was considered a five-second penalty. You can imagine - on a course where a really good time was one minute twenty seconds, a hit of five seconds is unrecoverable - the adrenaline flowed.

    For the uninitiated or uniformed - and, several of the spouses of avid quattro club members fall into this category - explanations of the value and sheer enjoyment of this experience, no matter how eloquent, are inadequate. In fact we had four in our group that were - initially - reluctant to take the class, thinking it would be boring or perhaps difficult.

    After completing the course, here is what one of those formerly reluctant participants, my wife, had to say:

    "I think that the Audi Driving Experience is a remarkable program because it teaches participants to simulate real-life situations and learn how the auto will respond and also how the driver will respond. The instructors become coaches and prepare us to handle these situations in a safe and responsive manner. The course is, in essence, more than a virtual reality tour of the instruction manual that comes with the car - it's reality itself. "

    - Tina Topazio

    Two other first-time drivers, Dale and Paula Perry were also enthusiastic as you can see in the following note to Karen Chadwick:

    "Paula and I wish to thank you for giving us the opportunity to visit Seefeld, Austria and attend the spectacular Audi Driving Experience. It was certainly a treat to have discussions with you and all the friendly people in the quattro club. We both loved the beautiful five-star hotel Audi selected in Seefeld. Audi could not have picked a better place to stay to experience some of the culture in Austria. The dinners were marvelous and the company was even better. We really enjoyed our visit in Munich, Seefeld, and especially the visit to Ingolstadt to take the Audi factory tour. Witnessing the production of an Audi was certainly a wonderful sight to see.

    The Audi Driving Experience was no less than the most exhilarating educational experience we have ever had. We enjoyed learning the fundamentals of understeer and oversteer. Learning how to handle the Audi A4s in several adverse situations was an invaluable experience. We were certainly taught by the best in the business."

    - Dale Perry

    Joe and Sherri Savage, A4 owners (and a mini-van) had this to say:

    "The time and effort put into organization of the trip were obvious. Things ran very smoothly for such a large group (40 people). We enjoyed the opportunity to meet and socialize with other Audi owners. The driving instruction was first rate. The knowledge and skill of the instructors exceeded our expectations.

    The hotel was spectacular in every way: food, scenery, services; and my wife enjoyed her massage and the hotel's spa. Perhaps the most satisfying, for me, is that Sherri, my wife, now has greater confidence in getting behind the wheel of not only our A4, but our mini-van as well. The potentially life saving information was itself worth the price of the trip.

    The Audi driving experience is something that I wish every driver could experience (all other car companies, please listen.)"

    - Joe Savage
    Moreover, the statement most often repeated by the participants was, "I think the Audi Driving Experience is a blast!"

    We had some incredible surprises including a guest-star visit from legendary Audi racecar driver, Walter Rohrl. What a rush to be given not one but two laps around the ice-course with Rohrl behind the wheel of a 2002 A4 quattro. Wheeeee!

    The Audi Driving Experience is incredibly valuable - it could save your life. It is fun - way beyond fun, it is exciting. To borrow from Audi's advertising campaign, it is the realization of "Joy!"

    For even the most jaundiced, disinterested or bored, the experience is an amazing vacation - filled with five-star dining and lodging in an indescribably beautiful setting (the snow covered mountains of Austria). Add to this the romance of a sleigh ride, camaraderie and top-notch driver education and you have what is most certainly a once in a lifetime experience.

    Recommendation #7: do not miss the Audi Driving Experience. Immerse yourself in it and savor every second of the time from the minute you land in Munich to the moment you depart for home. The time goes by so very quickly - hopefully you will find that this experience changes your life. It has changed ours.

    PS the cost of all of this less than $1,000 per person plus plane tickets (about $600 round trip). Shopping and beer (of course) extra.
  • dej0dej0 Posts: 36
    Mark, that was awesome. I'll have to save that one. Have you considered one of the new programs Audi is offering in the States? They have one in Atlanta, about 6 hours from where I live, plus I have friends there. I will actually be going to Germany this Fall, so I will save your advice on where to go.

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 11,260
    You advice is even helpful to a future BMW owner as I plan to purchase a 325Ci via European Delivery. Thank you.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Infiniti G37x Q40 AWD

  • lauk0dglauk0dg Posts: 563
    There's also the totally free Audi Quattro Challenge. I went to the one in Chicago in 2001 and had a blast. Go to, under Experience Audi, and then under Quattro Challenge. It's not as exhaustive as the paid ones like what Mark said or the driving schools, but heck it's a lot of fun. Plus they show you what your own vehicle can do by taking your car to the limits (traction wise), except high-speed lapping which Audi provides all S cars and a few A6 4.2's. At the driving schools you use their vehicles.

    Audi is going to do it again this year for free for a very limited number of Audi drivers. It's not official yet as it's not showing up on the website yet. Call 1-800-FOR-AUDI and ask them about this year's Quattro Challenge, and I know they are registering for 4 of the tracks.

  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,343
    I have considered the US offerings, but after Munich and Seefeld, I can't imagine doing it anywhere else but The Holy Land.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,343
    If you are going to Germany and or Austria and or Italy and want some hotels and restaurants, email me and I'll give you some names (I will not be very helpful for Rome however). But I read the BMW brochure and they have, as I recall, mapped out some very nice routes to drive and places to stay and dine.

    I try to trade spots with others who have been there done that and would be happy to do so with you.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 11,260
    When the time comes, I'll definitely drop you a line as you seem to be a seasoned traveler to the motherland. I'm actually planning on doing 3 cities in 10 days while I am in Europe (I'd like to do more, but budget & vacation day constraints prohibit it): Munich, Berlin, & Amsterdam.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Infiniti G37x Q40 AWD

  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,343
    I have, as of 2001, been to Amsterdam twice. It is a city that is easy for Americans -- language wise -- since the first word out of people's mouths is usually English. However, the city has so many parts to it that are "seedy" (and I'm not even talking about the infamous Red Light District), that I found myself glad to leave it behind.

    On a positive note, Ann Franke's home is not to be missed, as are many of the "pubs" (assuming you know that they are choked with smoke) -- the people are very gregarious and friendly and I felt no real danger of any kind (other than from pickpockets -- Amsterdam must be the home of Pickpocket University). Take a boat tour of the canals -- this too is a very enjoyable experience. Good food -- you bet. And, Amsterdam is the home of Vincent's museum -- which is also quite nice (my favorite painting is The Potato Eaters).

    But, I'll wager Amsterdam will become a place that you'll say -- "been there done that!"

    Some of the German cities on the other hand you'll want to return to again and again!
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 11,260
    While my girlfriend and I are young (26), we'd like to do Amsterdam and enjoy it for the "been there, done that" factor of it. Pickpockets & Seedy neighborhoods...I take the NYC Subways to and from work every day and have frequently been to areas of The Bronx that certain artists Rap about, but will take your warning seriously. I've read to watch out for pickpockets all over Europe. Thanks again for your resourseful information.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Infiniti G37x Q40 AWD

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 11,260
    I'm still going to look at an A4 1.8T, but the European Delivery thing is almost too good to pass up especailly since my girlfriend and had been planning on going to Europe around that time anyway. And I'm not a BMW loyalist either. I convinced my parents (well pushed them to the dealership anyway) to get an A6 3.0Q after they've been driving MBs for the last 12 years. I do think the A4 is an awesome car.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Infiniti G37x Q40 AWD

  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,343
    My "contact" at Audi of America says that the European delivery program is going to be reinstated soon -- so, if you are not already ready to pull the trigger on the Bimmer and would like to do the same thing but end up with a quattro, now might be the time to at least ask the question to AoA "can I buy in Europe for USA delivery?"

    The worst they can say is --"nope!"

    I would love to buy an Audi in Europe and drive it on the autobahn from Munich to Garmish in the late fall or ealy winter. The drive to Mad Ludwig's castle Neuschwanstein from Munich is particularly uh, er -- AWESOME! I did it in a rented E class Mercedes in late September 2000 -- wish it could have been in a new S4!
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 11,260
    I've still got the better part of 8 months left on the lease of my Saab. I've got to do a nice lengthy back to back test drive of each one to determine what my ultimate choice will be. I'm leaning heavily towards the BMW (I hear some people hissing at me now). The race would be closer if I were leasing, but I plan to buy this time around. While both cars have their advantages and disadvantages (no need to start an Audi vs. BMW argument here), I simply love the looks of the BMW 3 series coupe. Again, it is all a matter of personal taste for me. But you're right, it doesn't hurt to ask!

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Infiniti G37x Q40 AWD

  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,343
    I consider BMW's fine cars -- and when I win one, I will not feel like I have won a booby prize.

    I am currently not looking to debate BMW vs Audi either. I do wish you would consider the BMWs that have four driven wheels, though. And, I'll leave it at that.

    Please keep us posted.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 11,260
    Is amazing. I've said it time and time again. If I buy an Audi, I want quattro. If I buy a BMW, I want RWD.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Infiniti G37x Q40 AWD

  • bluetranebluetrane Posts: 67
    I picked up my new Avant on Monday. A few initial impressions follow:

    - Wow, what fun to drive. I've never had a car that is fun to drive before.

    - I got the 1.8T with the Tiptronic. there is plenty of power/torque to suit my driving style (YMMV).

    - Handling is superb. I really have to fight the temptation to take curves at excessive speed.

    - There was some last minute dickering with the dealer over price, mainly the lease money factor. We ended up splitting the difference between AoA's rate and what they wanted to charge. I did the multiple security deposit thing to further lower the payment. All in all, a pleasant experience.

    - Did I mention it's fun to drive?

  • lauk0dglauk0dg Posts: 563
    I absolutely like the new A4 Avant. If I were in the market now to get an A4, it'll be an Avant and not the sedan.

    What's the color combo and options on your Avant?

    Congrats and enjoy!

  • cybersolcybersol Posts: 91
    Sorry, this has probably been addressed here before, but I cannot find a good search feature within a board.

    So, does the new A4 sedan have significantly more knee room in the rear seats than the old one? I hit my knees in the old one, but it was close, so I am hoping the new one is better.

    Any helpful comments or observations would be appreciated?
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