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The ultra high or maximum performance tires that will come with the sport suspension will, generally speaking, have several characteristics besides the improved handling characteristics that go with the territory:
1. They will likely be louder -- ie they will have (probably) more road noise
2. They will probably not last very long -- 20,000 miles for some of these tires is pushing it
3. They will not like cold weather -- some are more forgiving than others.
Having said that, I ordered a non-sport suspension on a 2000 A6 4.2 but I did order the 17" wheel and tire option. The tires that came with the car were Dunlop Sp9000's. I did not change to winter tires (I live in Cincinnati which probably has somewhat milder winters than anywhere in PA). On the very coldest of days -- very cold -- the tires seemed to develop flat spots, but with some freeway driving the effect (thump thump thump) was temporary.
With the quattro drivetrain, I found no real need for snow tires, but frankly I did wish for an all season high performance tire perhaps for the reasons you cite (I didn't want to change my wheel/tires for winter).
When I got my 2001 A6 4.2 with sport package it came with Pirelli P6000's -- which IMHO are the worst tires I have ever had -- noisy from day one and very short tread life -- at 8,000 miles I replaced them with Yokohama AVS db's which are Ultra-high performance all season tires (in size 255 x 40 x 17's which was the OEM size).
I don't think it is possible -- yet -- to order a car with the specific tires (within safety margins) you want. It is crazy, considering the sophisitcation of modern ERP software systems that Audi (and other mfgs) doesn't let its customers order tire wheel combinations from day one.
I would personally want the sport suspension and the 17" wheels on my new A4 if I were you, and I would want to configure them with the highest performance tires that suited my circumstances -- in your case, you would apparently like to have the high performance wheels, the comfort suspension and high performance all season tires.
Of course you can get the car this way -- it just depends on the cooperation you get from your dealer and/or how high the stack of hundred dollar bills is that you will spend to get exactly what you want.
Check to see if it is possible to order the car with the comfort suspension and the sport wheel/tire combo, then "make a deal" with your dealer (and he will make a deal with a tire retailer) to remove the tires from your new A4 the moment it comes off the truck, and replace them with the tires you want (probably at a relatively small expense for you).
Good luck.
I'm 24yo. For the last 2 years, I've been slaving away in corporate America and saving for a house down payment. Being a little bored, I went car shopping for something about $25k.
CR-V and Xterra, I felt nothing for them. IS300 and WRX, good but there are obvious flaws. Then I saw it, 1.8TQA Plat/DBlue with the works.
It looks great, but not the prettiest. It doesn't have everything, but it's got it where it counts. I'd have to take care of it, but it's not high maintenance. There's just something about the way it moved, the way it turned, the way it made me smile. Now I can't get it out of my mind.
It whispers for me to leave my faithful and practical Civic. To dip into the house down payment as a down payment for it. Anything that tempts a man's heart so must be the work of the devil.
So I beseech all you lurkers out there without an A4 yet; run away! Get thee to a nunnery. Don't look at it! Don't feel it! DO NOT TEST DRIVE IT! The A4 is the devil I tells ya. Run away!
Billy
I will try to post some pics later.....Pat, how do we post pics on here again? I remember we can't just cut-and-paste a pic here, we gotta post a link to a picture hosting service or something like that.
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jrosasmc-- Consumer Reports does rate the 1.8T engine as "above average" in reliability. As we've discussed before, it's an engine that is used across the VW/Audi model line and has made the Wards ten-best four times. I've heard very few complaints about the reliability of the low-pressure turbo of this engine if left in its stock form. 2002 application is for the Jetta: http://www.industryclick.com/microsites/index.asp?srid=10430&pageid=1794&siteid=26&magazineid=50&srtype=1 and http://industryclick.com/magazinearticle.asp?magazineid=50&releaseid=9753&magazinearticleid=137793&SiteID=26
Just received in the mail yesterday the March edition of Consumer Reports and although the A4 came in second in the comparo, it wasn't recommended because of sporadic electrical problems that left them stranded and necessitated numerous trips for service. hmmmmmmm
Quite a Superbowl, eh?
--'rocco
Yes all OEM xenons got auto levelling because of DOT. In other words my xenons are illegal cuz they don't have auto-levelling.....and that's why I wanna set them at the right level. For Karen's situation, I heard xenons with S4 Euro housings is the best combo. It blocks out the least light output from the housings. The S4 Euro housings (also fit A4's) cost $500, but she can sell the OEM projector housings to pre 99 A4's which don't have projector housings for around $300, meaning she only needs to pay out of pocket around $200. Does Karen (nitpicker) have xenons??
Billy
After complaining here about my stock headlights, I finally complained to the dealer's service dept, which checked 'em and told me they were aimed too low. They adjusted 'em, and I'm relieved to say that there's a HUGE difference. So I'm satisfied, at least for the time being.
Billy, congratulations! If I had the guts and know-how to change my own headlights, I might have done what you did.
Rocco, I'm almost afraid to look at the March issue of CR....
1. Lexus ES300
2. Audi A4 3.0 quattro
3. Acura 3.2TL Type-S
4. Infinity I35
5. Jaguar X-Type 3.0
The results so far in the overall ratings of their "Upscale Sedans" category which this comparo was apart of are as follows:
1. BMW 330i (r)
2. Lexus IS300 (r)
3. Mercedes-Benz C320 (r)
4. Lexus ES300 (r)
5. Lincoln LS V6 (r)
6. Audi A4 3.0 quattro
7. Acura 3.2TL Type-S (r)
8. Infinity I35 (r)
9. Jaguar X-Type 3.0
10. Volvo S60 2.4T
11. Chrysler 300M (r)
12. Mitsubishi Diamante
(r) = recommended
--'rocco
--'rocco
BTW, I was in Arizona last week, rented a Volvo S60, and I agree with the ratings in this respect: IMHO it didn't measure up to the A4. The handling of the S60 seemed lighter, and it seemed less powerful in passing. It also huffed and puffed going up mountains; a manual or Tiptronic definitely would have come in handy there. All in all, it seemed more like a luxury car than a "driver's car"; in fact, it was reminiscent of my parents' 2001 I30. Not a bad car -- just not as much fun as an A4.
I still read their magazine, but I NEVER TAKE CONSUMER REPORTS SERIOUSLY WHEN IT COMES TO CARS.
Billy
View from the driver's seat (notice the brightness, sharp cutoff and location of xenon beam)
Billy
I typed
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but of course used < and > instead of ( and ).
Pat, HELP!!
Billy
Ry-- *lol* After reading your profile and seeing you own a Daewoo, I guess you don't take CR too seriously. But no, I don't put too much credibility in their auto ratings (or those for toothpaste or shampoo either, for that matter) but many people do. And I also agree with Karen in that I don't use it as my sole source of making a decision to buy any product. I've been a subscriber for years but do find their publication interesting to a point.
--'rocco
I have heard that some sites prevent folks from displaying things directly to another site. I wonder if that could be the case with your picture host?
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http://www.pbase.com/image/1081404
http://www.pbase.com/image/1081406
--'rocco
Pat, I guess you might be right about my pic host won't allow folks to just displaying stuff on another site.
Billy
I wonder how they do that.
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It has been five days. The car has been flawless. Tightly built. No rattle noise whatsoever. It is a bit uncomfortable shifting into 2nd when cold. But I could live with that and it is not happening when the car is warmed up. Other owners on here or AW stated that the engine would loosen up after break-in. I will see. But the car already is very agile. I really am looking forward to the post break-in period. It feels heavy but the engine revs smooth and is very able to push the beast. There just isn't a moment I am not having fun driving it.
vince...8o)
At 5,000+ miles the engine and the whole drive train seem to "grow up" -- whatever you are feeling now, you will just have to take my word for it, at 5,000 miles on the clock you will look back at this time and think someone has done an engine transplant.
And, of course your gas milage will improve then too.
Now, believe it or not, the same thing will happen (only less so) at 10,000 miles. I don't know what it is about these engines but they just keep getting better.
My wife's 225HP 1.8T in her '01 TT has 27K on it now and it runs better than it ever has -- which is saying something.
My 300HP 4.2 in my '01 A6 now has over 20K on it and it too is better than new!
You are in for a very pleasant future with this car, Vince.
vince...8o)
--'rocco
The point I am trying to make is this: CR has all the personnel, facilities and resources to really closely evaluate their test cars. They also let their staff use these cars and "live" with them. However, all we get in a single page write-up is superficial "evaluation" of these cars and mostly personal and usually biased opinions of CR staff. They never provide detailed information on how these cars perform, how good or lousy they are in day-to-day use (in detail, again), and what defects/problems they encounter (they never provide any information on this). What does "our test car had three sample defects" mean? It means nothing to me and this is another example of the useless information they provide: remember all those criticism about the location of horn buttons, or lack of passengers's handles (the one over the window) or possibility of one hitting his/her head on trunk lid hinges because they are not designed properly!
By the way, as everybody knows, the reliability data CR is famous for comes from the readers and not from CR testing.
P.S. I hope Consumer Reports is listening(?!)
I loved that car too -- and frankly never had the thing "taken care of" -- I kept it about 20,000 miles and just put the oil in it regularly (that would not be my behavior now, though, I would have it repaired under the AA). My point is, our Audi's have not been flawless, but they have been relatively low maintenance and virtually everything that has ever gone wrong has been covered by Audi.
The Audi engines are wonderful -- and that's since 1978.
If I had any complaints about Audi's engines over the years, it is just that I always wanted more power from them. Our current stable with a 225HP 1.8 and a 300HP 4.2 have almost totally overcome that issue, however.
Enjoy.
It's been a long time since I posted, most likely since I bought the A4 back on Oct. 1, 2001. Anyways, just a quick question...
I was cleaning out my garage the other day (a miracle!) and noticed about 10 oil spots from under the Audi. Now, I can't say when it started, but I know for sure it's from the A4. Has anyone else had this problem? I don't know if they didn't tighten down the oil filter enough or what...
Of course, I'm not taking this car back to HBL in tyson's, VA. Their service is the worst ever (yes, worse than FORD!). I took my car in for a speaker replacement and 5000 mile maintenence, and ended up taking it back 2 more times to get the speaker taken care of, and they left a GIANT scratch in the trunklid! Grrr!!!
This car does seem to be running better as the engine loosens up. I just hope I didn't buy the 1 Audi built by Hans after going to the Ratskeller! Mein Gott!
Tschus...
I had what I thought was an oil leak but it was a kind of gooey STP like substance that was used to coat the car for its trip across the water -- it smelled a little bit too, almost like burning oil, but not as smokey.
I would still take it back, but it is possible that it is not oil -- of course if it keeps on doing it, then it might be either crankcase or power steering oil/fluid.
Good luck.
At first I thought it is available in Canada only,
like the 320i, but apparently not...
Wonder how it gets over the pond.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
I don't think you can put Quattro with a 2.0L engine.....only thing you can do Quattro is with the 1.8T, the 2.5T diesel and the 3.0 engines. And that's why most European cars are manual cuz there's more power for the stop-and-go traffic. Actually there's a 1.6L engine in the European A4's.....makes about 100hp.
A4_4Vince, I think jskho meant Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada.
Billy
I rented an A4 (in Germany) with the 1.6 engine. 0-100km same day, but would run with four people and luggage at 160km with "no pain" -- it just took a long time to get to speed.
My choice, had I a magic wand, would be the 2.5 turbo diesel -- I drove one, it was very strong and frankly from the inside you couldn't tell it was a diesel and hardly from the outside.
Also rode in an A6 Avant 2.5TD -- was obviously more sluggish, but still better than my 99 A6 2.8 gas powered.
Waaa waaa -- they get all the choices over there.
But, AoA actually imports, generally, the best Audi's in the line up at the time with lots of stuff that in Germany come only as options.
Tomato, tomaato.
It is not Quattro, and it is manual (told by the way the car jerks when the driver shifts).
It carries regular BC plates (not consul plates)and the rear one is mounted on a bracket which is wider than the plate itself. I suppose it is for European plates.
While we are on this topic, I saw an A3 with WA plates in the Seattle area last year.
And why is BMW importing the 320i to Canada only but not US... Doesn't seem like it makes good economic sense considering the small size of the Canadian market.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
Good luck to your friend.
Steher, wow so that 2.0 engine on the A4 also got 5 valves per cylinder huh? So they took all the trouble to develop another normally aspirated engine that's so close to displacement to the 1.8 non turbo engine?
Billy
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
You may have had problems with one Camry, but their reliability data, undoubtedly the best in the industry, are based on reports of tens of thousands of owners. You can't really dispute the reliability record of Toyotas en masse. Yes, the repair data comes from the owners, but it's analyzed and put in meaningful form by the CR's writers, editors and statisticians.
I'm sure Toyota cared little about your problems; what manufacturer does? I had a Celica once that lost all its oil on the highway due to a parts defect, and Toyota offered little compensation. But the Buick/Toyota dealer who repaired it told me, "If you think Toyota's bad, you should see what Buick would do for you--nothing!"
As for CR's bias toward Toyota, as someone said earlier, CR has praised Audis right along in the past, and, by the way, their all-time favorite car is the BMW530--best car they ever tested, they said.
Finally, don't forget CRs subscribers are by and large middle-class American families with kids, not young, single, male car buffs. These middle-class families do care about the size of a car's trunk and other details that might seem irrelevant to C&D readers. These middle-class families do not care about maximum performance on the skid pad. They're concerned with getting the kids to soccer practice and picking up something for dinner at the supermarket. CR's auto tests are thus sensibly geared to their subscribers and their needs.