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Mazda 626



  • I'm stunned by the prices some people pay for used 626s and the difference in what I was offered for trade in. Admittedly I drove a pretty hard bargain on the purchase of my new car only to be offered $7500 for my VERY clean never damaged or mistreated 99 LXV6 5sp with only 19K miles !

    Another dealer offered me $10k trade in ( about the market according to data I can find and would be OK to me ) but does not sell the car I want.

    Hell I know Edminds doesn't want ads but I'd sell it to anyone for $11K ! I know good new deals keep trade in values low and sure the dealers need to make a profit but I'm betting they could seel this for easy $11.5-12K so I know the $7.5 is just to get some profit out of my deal.
  • whackowhacko Posts: 96
    The dealer is trying to steal your car if they're only offering $7500 for your 99 626/V6 w/19k. At the least, they should be giving you around $10k because according to Kelley Blue Book, trade-in value is around $12k. Dealers usually give anywhere between $1-2k under KBB trade-in value (depending of course on overall condition of the car and the current market conditions as well).
  • tomcat630tomcat630 Posts: 854
    "Ford simply will not allow Mazda to make a real success in the US."

    Why would Ford want a division to lose money? This statement is baseless and offers no facts to back it up. Another "US companies are the devil and the Asians are perfect" myth. Mazda fully is intent on being successful!

    Look in and look up the latest sales figures for Mazda. They now can claim to be the "fastest growing Japanese car company". Now that Mitsubishi is caught in a web of recalls and deceptive practices (perfect my A##!).

    Millenia sales are up this year for the first time ever and the Protoge is flying out of the showrooms! Only the 626 is down, only since it is outdated. The next generation will be a Mazda design, a preview concept car was shown at the Chicago Auto show, it was a hybrid vehicle.

    The next generation Focus and Protege are being designed by a team made up of Mazda and Ford Europe. No parts used from 1981 Escorts I bet!
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    While I agree that the post a while back was way off base, there seems to be a little lack of support on Ford's part to really pick things up at Mazda. I think Ford doesn't want to get stuck in the Mazda money pit and they won't purchase more than they currently own until they are able to reduce Mazda's debt.

    As far as the Chicago (stupid spell check doesn't recognize this word) auto show, the car you saw was not the replacement for the 626. The unnamed 626 replacement has not yet been shown at a public show. If you were lucky enough to be part of the press, you may have seen a sneak peek in NY.

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Mazda has had some great products over the years, but I think they lacked a consistent (and financially feasible) product plan. An identity, even.

    Think about it. It's kind of crazy to offer a rotary, a tiny 1.8l V6, and a Miller Cycle engine, all from a relatively small company! Each was an interesting design, but it's just not cost effective to market so many types of engines. I'm sure they have diesels overseas, and had used turbos a short while before.

    When they had the most interesting cars, they were also losing the most money. Their value plummeted and Ford gulped them up.

    Pick one technology, and stick with it. Rotary is the obvious choice, because they are synonymous with Mazda. Make it reliable, and build enough to amortize the money invested in developing it.

    While I like the Miller Cycle, it should be dropped because people simply do not know what it is. Millenia sales may have increased, but they are still poor compared to its best competitors.

  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    As much as I like the Miller cycle, I have to agree with you Juice and it appears that Mazda does as well.

    The new rotary(250hp, normally aspirated) should be a keeper. Supposedly, the emissions have been greatly reduced so the only factor unknown is the reliability. If it holds up, the next gen. of rotary engines should be home runs.

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    There you go - use that rotary in the Millenia replacement. Give is something to stand out, and dealers won't have to offer the deep, deep discounts we've seen over the years.

    And who wouldn't like a 250hp Millenia, or even 626? Just offer a 5 speed this time.

  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    Typically, the rotary doesn't have the torque to handle tankish sedans but I'm not sure what the figures are on the Renesis. Now a Protege or Miata with a Rotary sounds like a mighty fine idea. I've read that the future R and Miata will share a common platform so that guess may not be to far off.

  • jstandeferjstandefer Posts: 805
    Here are the two reasons Mazda is not as successful as it should be:

    Mazda's marketing is extremely poor. Mazda does not need to work on its image. First, they must let the buying public know that they even exist! Once one exists in John/Jane Q. Public's mind, then an image can be presented. The "Zoom Zoom" campaign is a terrific idea. But it's just like their cars... terrific ideas and concept, but when and where does the public get to see it?

    Ford's largest contribution to the company could have been an infusion in Mazda's marketing campaign and budget. The public's last connection to Mazda was the RX-7. With it's elimination from most of the world's markets, Mazda lost any connection it had with public awareness. Sure, there's the Miata which everyone knows, but ask most people in the street who builds it. I was shocked when I tried that. Toyota? Honda? Ford?

    Dealer Network
    Read the posts here on How many negative things do you hear about Mazda dealerships? A whole lot. From my experience, Mazda has one of the worst dealer networks in the industry. Mazda dealers are kept in the dark about everything. I don't know how many times we received the cars months before the brochures were even available!

    Many Mazda dealerships I have visited are worn down, crumbly old buildings. The management, sales staff, and service personnel are rude and have very poor product knowledge. Ford, GM, Chrysler, Toyota, and Honda all have very strict training and certification programs. What does Mazda have? A multiple choice computer test you can take over and over until you pass it by the process of eliminating the wrong answers! Very, very poor. Sure, they have classes. They're generally held in some back room of a hotel with a PowerPoint slide show that is less informative than the rare brochures! Even worse, the class is generally for an entire sales region. How many salespeople show up? You're lucky to see a dozen!

    Without public awareness that the company still exists, sales will always be stagnant. They might increase a couple of percentage points here and there, but 10% for Mazda is about equivalent to 0.1% for Toyota. And for the people who are either Mazda fanatics (like myself) or just happened to stumble across a Mazda dealership- they're not scared off by the vehicles, they're scared off by the poor dealership experience! I hear Mercury's existence is on Ford's chopping block... Mazda may very well be there soon.
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    I think you hit it Jerry, but how do you get dealers to turn around in a day?

    I disagree with the Mazda/Mercury comparison. Mercury has no identity outside of Lincoln and a past that goes too far back for anyone to remember. The real difference there is that Mercury is just a sales arm and not a complete manufacturer. Mazda has excellent engineering as well as production capabilities. Hmmm, maybe I/M could sell Mazda, they may do a better job. I'm confident that Mazda will be around in some way, shape or form but it will take some work for them to get in shape(maybe jumping jacks before work?).
  • In this county, any place you can buy a new Mazda will also try to sell you a Ford, Lincoln or Mercury; this is a relic of Ford's erstwhile "Auto Collection" scheme. However, Mazda cognoscenti tend to prefer the downtown location: while it's just as clueless as its brethren at sales, there's a wholly-separate Mazda service department, which used to be part of a separate dealership, and they, at least, seem to understand the cars. Still, the sales department has no particular incentive to get me into a 626 instead of a Taurus (which I wouldn't have) or a Focus (which I did actually consider).

    You can always go to the next county, which is outside the Collection's bounds, but even their Mazda store is primarily Ford and L/M.
  • Got one in March '01. V6, ABS, Premium pack with 16" Rims and AUTOMATIC Trans, and Bose System, Sunroof, Chestnut (Maroon). I paid 22,951. Happy with the car except for the lumbar support of the driver's seat, as I am 6' 1" and am picky. Thanks!
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Pardon the interruption - I want to explain the name change of this discussion.

    Since we have moved to our new platform, we no longer have the requirement to stop and restart discussions after the numbers of posts exceed a certain limit. Since this discussion can continue as long as anyone has anything to say about the 626, there is no longer a need for the "Part 2" that has been included in the discussion name. Down the road, that could confuse our newer members so I have removed it.

    Since the original 626 discussion in the Archives is named "Mazda 626 Info", there shouldn't be any confusion with that one.

    Please continue...

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  • Edmund's agrees on the lumbar-support issue; I didn't find it so, but then I am, um, unusually shaped. (It sounded kinder than "I bring my own padding with me.")

    Speaking of Edmund's, their TMV calculator wasn't working for me just now - IE 5.0 issue, maybe? - so I punched the numbers into the dreaded MSN Carpoint, and they claim MSRP of $23,665 and "invoice" of $21,522. On that basis, $22,951 sounds a little on the high side, but then there may be some other things that were part of the package - a pinstripe or two, gap insurance (which, I have discovered, doesn't prevent me from seeing Gap ads on TV), and such - that the dealer offers and aren't figured into the website total.
  • I configured it on Kelly's Blue Book, and invoice the way I had the car optioned(sp) out, it came up to like 22,200 and change. Sticker was 24,615. So many different versions of "invoice" out there. I do have the 48 months of 0.0% financing, so that may help. While I am whining I would really be in love if the 6 had 200 HP. But I will just stay content!
  • Well, 35, actually. And yes, it would be nice. You'll see 200 hp on the next-generation 626, or whatever it's called, but those won't be out until next summer at the earliest.

    And zero-percent financing is nothing to sneer at; that saved you probably a couple thousand bucks all by itself, in which case you did just fine.
  • skibry1skibry1 Posts: 174
    Coolcreek, the lumbar support wasn't as big an
    issue as the placement of the rear-view mirror
    button. At 6' and long waisted I lost a sight-
    line. First mod to our DoubleOught LX 4cyl with
    a leftleg flexor was to elevate said button into
    the darkened area of the windsheild.NOTE:once
    done one has to live with the black trim piece
    remaining at original site!!I broke two blades
    attempting removal....then gave up.
  • bj02176bj02176 Posts: 115
    Regardless of what anyone paid for thier 2001 lx v6 I Think it's a great car, well put together, every bit as good as a Honda. What a difference in the build quality of the 626 compared to the Tribute. I'm satisfied, don't like buying premium gas and the v6 needs a bit more power, but that is about it.
  • Hello again,

    How many Watts does the Bose system from the ES, or the LX Premium (same system) put out. Not listed in the owner's manual. BOO!
  • a_frienda_friend Posts: 1
    I'm looking at this car after being out of the market for many years. I've driven Toyota for more years than I can remember, most recently a 1985 Celica GTS liftback. Its a beautiful, classic car in pretty good condition, but with close to 200 thousand miles with some rust developing and a clutch job looming in the not too distant future, I'm considering buying a newer sedan with automatic transmission. I've been reading all the horror stories about Mazda automatic transmissions and its not clear to me whether the more recent models such as the one above, are more dependable. Is this a car worth considering, or should I stick with Toyota and Honda? I'm imagining I could buy the car above, with 35,000 miles through a dealer for a bit under $15,000 in northern California. Any comments or suggestions? Appreciate it...
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    The concern on the auto trans only applies to the 4cyl engine. The '98 ES has a V-6 which I have never heard/seen a complaint about (other than it could have a little more power).

  • bj02176bj02176 Posts: 115
    My 2001 lx just has the regular stereo, trans is made in Japan along with the engine, rest of the car made in Michigan. Trans seems to be excellent
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    5 speed? I think the auto is still the Ford CD4E unit. At least they've made improvements to it.

  • ger2138ger2138 Posts: 3
    I'am looking at a 99 4 cylinder 626 or a 99 Taurus. Both have about 30k miles on them and are gong for about $11,000. Any advice?
  • raylwardraylward Posts: 2
    I'm considering buying a '97 626 V6 in good condition and 44K. Unfortunately, it doesn't have ABS and I live where it snows. Other than that potential problem, what other mechanical problems can I expect from this car and what is a realistic life of the car? Thanks
  • The Taurus will probably outrun the 626 in a straight line, and the back seat is perhaps less inhospitable - the person in the middle gets a truly raw deal - but I think the 626 is overall a better package, assuming you're near a competent Mazda service shop. (Judging by my mail, not everyone is.)
  • tomcat630tomcat630 Posts: 854
    The 626 has taken the Contour's place as a Hertz rental staple. I see quite a few of them here in Chicago with rental company ID stickers in the windows.

    I wonder how this will affect resale?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Probably not good. There would be too many available you'd have to compete with.

  • I'm having problems with rear tire wear on my 1996 626.
    The tread is heavily worn on the outside rear left tire.
    The tire has been properly inflated so it must be alignment.
    Does the 626 have a rear alignment adjustment ?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I believe it does. Miatas do.

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