Ford Crown Victoria and Mercury Grand Marquis

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  • neanderbobneanderbob Member Posts: 6
    This might be 7 years late, but thank-you!
  • neanderbobneanderbob Member Posts: 6
    Sorry I'm 6 years late, but I changed the plugs and wires and it ran perfectly for many years, thank-you for your help.
  • joe110joe110 Member Posts: 19
    I have a 2005 CV and it has 27000miles. I have had zero problems with it so far. Heard the intakes go bad. Motor is worked though. Not that it has anything to do with it. Pushing 300HP. Its a P74. No complaints yet. 355 gears and I reprogrammed the MAS sensor. Good Luck!
  • dmers1dmers1 Member Posts: 8
    For those thinking about making the switch.

    We have had our 2008 Sable Premier FWD for 3 months now w/ 7000 miles. We made the change from Grand Marquis's (4 used LS's) over the past 22 years to the new revised Sable in order to get a lot of good technology that was not offered in the G.M. cars (such as ESC, in-dash GPS, Satellite radio, Voice Sync, etc) The car rides good, but not like the last 2000 Grand Marquis LS w/ 131K on it (our first really new car we bought). I think Ford did the best they could with FWD and torque steer is minimal. I miss RWD, but my wife wanted a bit smaller car so here we are. Most other FWD drives have poor back seat room such as Camry, Nisson, and others. I would have to buy a BMW 740i or Mercedes S series to get a RWD vehicle close to this car’s interior room. The seats are 3" higher off the ground which make entry much more ergonomic for us 57 year olds and much better for my wife's folks_ 84.

    Power is quite good for a V-6, 260 HP and it shifts very smooth with the 6 speed Automatic. The oil filter is located in a pretty good spot and I use my drive up ramps using 5W-20 oil every 7500 miles. I changed at 2500 the first time to get factory grit out of the engine as I tend to keep cars quite a long time. This car starts every time and never misses no matter what temperature__4-8 degree mornings for us.

    The only problem, I had was an out of adjustment cruise control switch on the brake pedal that would kick out the cruise occasionally. I took it to a nearby Ford dealer for a quick fix and that was it. I did buy the extended 6 year/100K mile warranty since I still remember the $1800.00 Sun visors that went bad with Home-Link/Visor lights wiring shorts that wiped out the Digital Dash (which I miss). I had the mechanic wire around for $80 each time on each visor instead, to bypass the visors. I will know more about this car in about 100K miles.

    The room in this car is phenomenal, especially in the rear seats and the trunk is large, though space is awkward, but still handles large suit cases for international travel quite well. The courtesy lights on this car are great and the interior controls grow on you after awhile. The plug-ins are plentiful for our Radar Detector, phone charger Fr/Rr, ipod, etc.

    This is the car Ford/Mercury is pushing as they neglect the Grand Marquis design. The price was quite good with $3000 rebates and trade. We ordered and waited 2 months to get the Sage color we wanted w/ Camel interior and light plastic wood.

    I feel this car is the precursor for the upcoming Lincoln MKS, which has a better looking C pillar, dished out chrome wheels, and a few more gadgets. My wife did not like the front end of that car on the websites we viewed. Our car had every option except the rear DVD player and it has plenty of toys to play with. We get quite a few compliments on the color and look of the car as they tried to make it look closer to the smaller Milan (mileage is not much better on the Milan than with the larger Sable).

    Overall, I would recommend this car to anyone who drives a lot of miles and hauls 3-4 people often, as well as drives it to work daily. I regret buying the extended warranty, but for the overall price I feel good about the purchase as this car goes to Chicago quite often (600 mile trips)

    Our mileage: We normally drive on Interstates about 65-75+ MPH regularly and do some town driving. I select regular gas w/o ethanol to avoid the 2-3 mpg loss, which I have tested. The weather is now cold in Southern Illinois which also cost about 1-2 MPG. If I keep my foot out of it, mileage does go up about 1-2 MPG.

    We get about 23-26 MPG on trips and 18-20 MPG going to work__5 miles away. (not much better than what we got on the 2000 Grand Marquis)

    Good Luck to all.
  • euphoniumeuphonium Member Posts: 3,425
    I changed at 2500 the first time to get factory grit out of the engine

    How does the factory get its grit into the engine? :(
  • marsha7marsha7 Member Posts: 3,703
    Uh...union labor???...sorry, didn't mean to start a fight...
  • turbo301turbo301 Member Posts: 73
    The "grit" that "gets into" an engine is actually already there: The metal-on-metal contact of many engine parts means that, as those parts move, they scrape little bits of metal off. This is the biggest contributor to dirty oil. When an engine is new, the reason it has to be "broken in" is because all of the parts are as tight as they will ever be, and so the most friction/wear/heat will occur at this stage in the motor's life. Little bits of metal "flash" on castings or even ridges left in parts from poor machining will also contribute to premature oil contamination in a new engine. Engines are much better in this regard than they used to be, though!
  • euphoniumeuphonium Member Posts: 3,425
    Hi, Good to hear from you. I gave up on the Rocky UAW postings. :)
  • marsha7marsha7 Member Posts: 3,703
    Rocky is a nice guy, just severely misguided due to a unionized upbringing that did not acknowledge the existence of Japanese automakers until somwhere around 1999...:):):):):)...about 20 years after the beginning of the onslaught...
  • ionosphere1ionosphere1 Member Posts: 50
    On 11/10 I ordered a 2008 Grand Marquis. Was the only way to get the color and options I wanted. Was told the wait was 8-12 weeks, but I think it is going to end up being around 14 weeks, as the car still is not built yet and the dealer told me that after they get an invoice that it is 2 more weeks after that when they get it.

    I sure hope the wait was worth it and I love the car like I hope I will.
  • jsylvesterjsylvester Member Posts: 572
    I think the waits are a little longer right now, as they have started Town Car production, which complicates things quite a bit on the assembly line.

    I too will be ordering my next Grand Marquis - wish I could get the exterior and interior color combination I desire (Norsea blue with black leather interior), but Ford won't allow it.
  • ionosphere1ionosphere1 Member Posts: 50
    You're getting one too? Great!!!! I've been waiting 11 weeks so far and my car still has not been built. They should not have told me an 8-12 week wait if it really is longer than that. The dealer told me that once they receive an invoice, that it will be about 2 more weeks before they get it. I do not know how long it takes to build the car once they start, do you?

    I notice you can't get the black interior with the Norsea blue. Do you know why? What does one manufacturing process have to do with the other?

    Have you had a Grand Marquis before? This is my first time having a car like this and I think I'll wish I had gotten one a long time ago.
  • ionosphere1ionosphere1 Member Posts: 50
    I went to the dealer today and it is going to end up being a 15 week wait. He tells me that Ford is now saying it takes up to 16 weeks to get an order. He told me my car has been built and it should arrive there on January 29. Woohoo!!!!!!
  • ionosphere1ionosphere1 Member Posts: 50
    jsylvester,

    Are you familiar with the 6-CD Audiophile option? I'm getting it, but I have never heard it, because the model the dealer had did not have that option and I cannot find any reviews of it, or even information about it, such as who builds it and the speakers, etc.
  • ionosphere1ionosphere1 Member Posts: 50
    $17,950? Really? You got an offer of that price? That seems too low. Is this a GS with no options and not including the destination and LDMA charges? Otherwise, I don't think your price is possible for a new one. I'm an X-plan buyer, so I'm getting mine for about dealer invoice price, minus the rebates, minus an extra $1,000 if using Ford Credit.

    I've been waiting almost 4 months now for mine and SHOULD have it in about another week.
  • zaglobazagloba Member Posts: 13
    Hello all. This may not be the appropriate place to post this, but I do not see a prices pd. forum for Grand Marquis. Received a few quotes on a new '08 GS model with the current rebates, around $17,950. Seems like a fantastic price on a nice vehicle. Is this about the norm for right now with the incentives/rebates? Thanks in advance.
  • zaglobazagloba Member Posts: 13
    I actually have two quotes, one at $17,995 and one at $17,950 for basically the same car. Brand new GS, not including Tax, title, license. The $17,950 one has heated mirors and traction control as listed options on the Sticker that they attached to the email. The prices are real. And I guess, from what you are stating, real good. These cars must not be moving at all.
  • ionosphere1ionosphere1 Member Posts: 50
    You going to get one?
  • dashpastdashpast Member Posts: 1
    I am the proud owner of my fourth grand marquis L.S.. I buy the car with 2 years use with 18.000 miles. I had a 85,92,99,04 and two months ago a 2006.

    If the car doesn't have dual exhausts I put them on plus use a K and N air filter.

    The 2004 had the factory dual exhaust and the handing suspension...a faster machine but the air suspension is problematic thats why I traded it in because to fix the air suspension can be expensive.

    Real life mileage 12-15 in city and 25 -27 on highway with the k and n filter the computer says 32 ??? It is a quiet dependable car only 2 dislikes the leg room in the rear seats are a joke....the new Nissan versa has better leg room.....the 4.6 is ok with factory dual exhaust...did a deal with my ford part man!!! The 4.6 that was in the maurauder should be the standard engine.

    BUY USED there are many now in the system because the rental companies use them...check the car with the automobile club 100.00 usually it will be worth your while

    As a real car nut and a reader of car and driver , motor trend automobile and road and track ...I think this is one of the best cars on the market period !!!!

    Yes this machine needs a serious update....maybe the Ford interceptor concept car??? I really can't say but it is a very dependable car and if treated properly will give years of trouble free ownership
  • ionosphere1ionosphere1 Member Posts: 50
    I was thinking of a used one, but with the big rebate they have and me being an X-plan buyer, I chose to get a new one with the intention of keeping it a long time. If Ford drops this and the Lincoln Town Car, there will be no big rwd sedans with front bench seats anymore, and since this is the type of car I want, I think I'm smart to get a new one and keep it a long time. I'm still floored that even Cadillac stopped making a car like this a long time ago. Sheesh.
  • maryb88maryb88 Member Posts: 1
    I recently got a 2005 Grand Marquis and I absolutely love that car! I am a college student, and catch more than a few "granny car" remarks, but I can blow your v6 mustang anyday hotshot. ;) Anyways, was wondering if about 17 mpg sounds about right, I had a car before that got 30mpg and the 17 scared me but thats avg for these cars isnt it?
  • mrlauderdalemrlauderdale Member Posts: 7
    Hi maryb88!
    I have a 1996 Marquis, was already the same engine etc, wonderful (and safe) car and the milage is about average I would say! If you drive it easy with the cruise on the highway, 24-25 is no problem! I drive it in Germany also in heavy stop and go citytraffic often, this way, I occasionally get 12-14 mpg! But I love to see the faces of all those Volkswagens and Smarts when I smoke them with my big boat ;o)! My Parents have a 2006, their average is about 17-19 with a lighter food ;o)! By the way, they are happy it is able to use E85 (ethanol), as the price of gas in Germany is around 6 $ a gallon and the ethanol gallon is around 4 $ ( High german taxes)!
    Be happy to live in the still free USA!! Have fun!
  • ionosphere1ionosphere1 Member Posts: 50
    My 2008 car says it has been getting 13.8 mpg. I only have about 170 miles on it so far and do not know if it has to be driven more to get accurate readings.
  • nvbankernvbanker Member Posts: 7,239
    I do not know how long it takes to build the car once they start, do you?

    About an hour - building the car isn't where the time is. Queueing into production with special orders does, and shipping does. But once they decide to build it, it's done in one day.
  • ionosphere1ionosphere1 Member Posts: 50
    I'd never do this again....waiting 4 months for a car. I had sold my car 1 week after ordering the new one, so I was without a car for 4 months minus 1 week. Was tough, but now I'm in car heaven with my new Merc.
  • euphoniumeuphonium Member Posts: 3,425
    1997, Wixom, MI it took one hour to produce 11 Mark VIII's and it took one hour to assemble 33 Town Cars. Computer Sequential Production enabled that. ;)
  • nvbankernvbanker Member Posts: 7,239
    Interesting, euph: so I'm trying to figger this out - if my Town Car began life as what, a frame? How long from frame to drive it out the factory door does that actually take? If you get 33 of them driven off in an hour......how long was each of them in production?
  • euphoniumeuphonium Member Posts: 3,425
    Beginning with the frame/bare body, the Genesis is at least a two week drying period following painting. After the body is dry in the Paint Shop, then it begins it's 33/hour assembly process. The Continental and Town Car shared the same line while the Mark had its own. I took the tour in December 97 and don't remember if they were running more than one shift a day or not. It impressed me that no part for assembly is older than 24 hours after arrival before it is assembled. 18 wheelers and train cars were on the move as suppliers were taught to have their components there on time.

    The assembly line is a heck of a lot cleaner than the machine room of a paper factory.
  • nvbankernvbanker Member Posts: 7,239
    And that's what's interesting too: The Continental and Town Car shared the same line, yet the Continental, by Ford's own admission during the late 80's and early 90's was "the worst car we had", and the Town Car was about the best. My anecdotal experience with both cars was the same. How can they do that?
  • euphoniumeuphonium Member Posts: 3,425
    Good question. Today I wonder where in the assembly process will they place the Town Car while producing them at St. Thomas, Ontario. After having seen the Continental share the line with Town Cars, it would not be a surprise to see a mix of CV, GM, & TC all on the same line. Perhaps a mix of 20 CV, 10 GM, & 5 TC not necessaryily in that order either due to their computer sequential production system they had in Wixom.

    Having taken factory drive away a couple of times since 1950, I'd like to do it one more time, but in Coventry/Birmingham, U.K. ;)
  • nvbankernvbanker Member Posts: 7,239
    Having taken factory drive away a couple of times since 1950, I'd like to do it one more time, but in Coventry/Birmingham, U.K.

    Ooooh, nice thought - but better hurry. TATA may soon move that process to New Dehli. Also, it's a LONG drive home from there..... ;)
  • helmetcamhelmetcam Member Posts: 2
    Should I use O/D or not? 2004 Crown Vic. 30,000, LX Sport
  • nvbankernvbanker Member Posts: 7,239
    Yes, you should. 2 good reasons.

    #1 - the A4OD transmission in that Ford is built like Fort Knox - it's made for livery and police use, and even with neglect, will go 100,000 before needing any work. Properly lubricated, nobody knows how long it will run before breaking down. So there's no reason NOT to use it.

    #2 - Your mileage will improve a lot if you use it.
  • tismyselftismyself Member Posts: 2
    Yes, the timing belt. When you are a single female who does not know very much about cars, life is very different. So, for the most part, just like Blanche DuBois, I am dependent on the kindness of strangers.

    Now, if you want to talk engineering or architecture... that's a different story. ;)
  • pigtoriapigtoria Member Posts: 2
    ...and everything is hooked back up (all connectors, fuel lines, vacuum lines, etc) and triple checked. Followed Ford shop manual procedure for the work, but now the car won't start. It cranks but won't fire. Vented fuel rails and they are full. The fuel pump is working. I am lost. Is there some kind of "reset" sequence that I don't know about? Could it be the crank sensor? It worked when I took it out and cleaned it, I even checked to make sure it was a good complete circuit before I re-installed it. please advise... :sick:
  • pigtoriapigtoria Member Posts: 2
    Finally ended up chasing all the wires and found the pins for the crank position sensor were pushed out of the big connector at the brake booster. hope this might help someone
  • euphoniumeuphonium Member Posts: 3,425
    Thank you for sharing the solution. We who follow these posts appreciate such communications. Good Job!
  • knilgnissimknilgnissim Member Posts: 1
    I have a white 94 Grand Marquis, the car ran perfect until it started with a light tremble between 35-45 mph.I changed the oil, oil filter, gas filter put new spark plugs nothing helped then i put new spark plug cables, and everything was alot better, but still a light tremble, it goes away when I step on the gas, but its coming back, it almost seems like its burning the cables too quickly, or I dont know maybe something with the transmission, I honestly dont recall when was the last time they changed the trans oil, i know its not as often as it is for the motor oil. dont know, but would like to;cause im FED UP with these mechanics that charged my mom $500 for changing I dont know what the heck. If anybody has any idea or tips Id really appreciate it. thanks :confuse:

    -VIC
  • ionosphere1ionosphere1 Member Posts: 50
    I have a 2008 Mercury Grand Marquis. This is the first car I can remember owning where the steering wheel does not lock into position after parking. My understanding is that it used to have this feature, but it was eliminated. Anyone know why?
  • der_wahnsinnder_wahnsinn Member Posts: 1
    sounds like your experiencing the classic transmission 'shutter'. Change your tranny fluid with mercon v and that should fix your problem. It did for me, used to surge between 30-40. Here is how to do it
  • euphoniumeuphonium Member Posts: 3,425
    I Second the suggestion to change the tranny fluid, filter, & remember to drain the torque converter. Mercon V is the most expensive, but it lasts longer.
  • jcrojcro Member Posts: 2
    My wife and I recently inherited this car from her parents. It ran great until a couple weeks ago when it had a rough idle. It only lasted for one trip in town and ran fine the next day. A couple days ago it began to idle rough again. The check engine light came on and it soon had a strong sulfur type smell. I'm not at all familiar with this car and I'm wondering if there is something fairly obvious I should be looking for. Any ideas? Thanks for any information.
  • nvbankernvbanker Member Posts: 7,239
    Have the light scanned, it'll tell you what's wrong, and it can most likely be easily fixed.
  • jcrojcro Member Posts: 2
    Thanks. I'll have it checked and post the results.
  • joe3716joe3716 Member Posts: 15
    99 GM-LS with 94K. Own since new. Every time the brakes are applied, a groaning or "swooshing" noise comes from the brake pedal under the dash. Groan is louder when brakes are warm. Pedal also has a pulsating feel (with the groaning) with harder braking. At red lights stops, car would start to creep and require to push brake pedal harder to stop the creeping.

    What is causing the groaning or swooshing noise, the slow creeping, and the pulsating feel of the brake pedal? Air in system? Booster push rod too short? Booster leak?
  • nvbankernvbanker Member Posts: 7,239
    the noise sounds like the boot is rubbing on something. The rest of the symptoms sound like your master cylinder may be going soft.
  • rod73rod73 Member Posts: 2
    Engine stops while driving - No warning, no check engine light. Will crank, but not start immediately, but will after about 30 seconds, and runs "normally". Garage found fuel pump with high amp draw. Replaced pump and filter. No fault codes present. Engine quit while driving in traffic (moving 70 MPH) and saw eng. temp light flash - no other cluster lights seen. Had driven about 400 miles continuously prior to event. Today, engine stopped as I started to accelerate to merge into traffic. As I let up on gas the engine came back and ran normally for rest of 12 mile trip. Anybody else had same problem?. I am soon to leave on a 1000 mile trip and need to solve this safety problem before I go . Any ideas on problem cause?
  • joe3716joe3716 Member Posts: 15
    i had similar stalling problems with my 99 GM LS. had a new fuel pump at a dealer and stalling continued on and off till i had the car towed in and had the "Idle Air Control Valve"replaced.

    Check this out and hope the control valve is the problem.
    Good luck.
  • rod73rod73 Member Posts: 2
    Joe - Thanks will do. My concern is that 1; no fault codes come up; 2 It usually happens at highway speeds, and 3, It will not restart for about 30 seconds, then starts and runs normally. I was half expecting some comments relating to the computer.

    Rod 73
  • nvbankernvbanker Member Posts: 7,239
    A bad fuel pump will usually not turn on a check engine light or throw a code. And they're famous for failing intermittantly.
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