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Toyota Corolla



  • I read the Motortrend review and several others which claim that Corollas have terribly soft suspension and poor cornering ability, and not responsive in emergency situations or steering is bad at high speeds. Some have even gone as far as saying its dangerous to drive this car on the highway? Is this true? I'm planning on buying a car and am considering the Corolla, however can the average car driver safely drive this vehicle without excessive windsheer and flying around and have good control at 90mph on the interstate?
    Also would replacing the default tires to some performance speed rated all season tires improve the poor handling? and by how much?
  • enetheneth Posts: 285
    Corollas aren't sports cars - but they're not dangerous to drive. I've driven two of them cross-country several times - one up to 195,000 miles, and the other currently has 80,000 miles.

    I won't say they're the most comfortable long-distance cruiser you'll find - but they're perfectly acceptable and safe at any reasonable highway speed.
  • wenyuewenyue Posts: 558
    The reviews from these automotive magazines are for the auto-enthusists. They tend to side with performance at expense of such quality as quiet/softness. These quality is more appreciated by consumer magzines for the ordinary folks such as Consumer Report, ect. Corolla is recommended by most buying guides I have seen.

    The car's suspension is tuned to the soft side. Which means, it will have a more noticable body roll during high speed cornering or turning. The suspenion is tuned to give possible the smoothest ride and quietest cabin in the class, at the expense of hard conering capability. Know the car's handling limit, don't try to push beyond the design specs (like take corner at 40+ mph), and the car will handle very predictably. Being one of the most populous car in the world today, it would be hard to believe it being dangerous.

    The cars is a very capable highway commuter. The excellent power plant, possibly the best powerplant in the class, gives it very good ride on the highway. Since handling on the highway is very limited (at more than 60 mph, no car can survive a turning of steering wheels that's more than few degrees). High way commuting is probably the car's forte.

    The car has very little windsheer. The body has one of the lowest drag coefficent in the class, at 0.31. That means it experience less wind forces than most others with high drag coefficient.

    This car won't impress you with it's ability to take corners, though it might impress you with its good acceleration and a quiet/soft ride, and the gas milage as well.

    If you are looking for a sportier car, to push the envelop during the tight turns, you should get the Nissan Sentra SE, or to a less extent, the Mazda Protege ES. They are sportiest car in the class. Especially the Sentra SE combines great power with sharp handling.

    But if you are looking for a smooth quiet ride for your everyday commute, corolla is a good choice.

    In the end, test drive the car yourself. And know what kind of driving experience you are planning to do, (twist and turn fun, go for Sentra; soft and quiet, get corolla). Good luck.

    Oh. If you are planning on switch tires. A low profile performance tire can probably decrese the body roll somewhat, and help you take the turn faster. But like all sports oriented mods, they come at the expense of quietness and softness. Also, I wouldn't expect it to completely change the car's personality. For that, you need to get Toyota Race Development's sports suspension stuff.

    These things will most likely make a night and day difference for you car's handling characteristics.

    You can find it at

    If I remember right, Sports strut and spring set (4), range from $450 to $800.

    They also have a performance package, that has even more ellaborate modes, from turbo charger to super fance suspensions. The cost tend to be $2500 or more, some of the cost is because these performance packages include stuff such as racy skirts and other mods that's purely for looks. You should speak to a user called Danniswade. He has gotten quite involved, and modified his corolla to a monster.

    But my view is, spring and struts for few hundred bucks might make sense. But if you are really looking to do some hard cornering rather than quiet driving, you should be buying a Sentra in the first place.
  • Changing the tires to performance tires will enhance and change the Corolla from "I don't thank so" to "lets have some fun". The Corolla will not turn into a Celica, but it will increase the handling of the car at little or no expense of ride and noise. Been there done that. I have 89 and 95 models.
  • My 90 Corolla LE with 97,700 miles and orignal everything still runs great. I'm a proud Toyota die hard and my Corolla just backs up my enthusiasm. After putting the Michelin X-ones...the ride comfort and quietness improved big time over the Michelin MX4s we put on it and the original...ahem..Firestones that came on it from Fremont (NUMMI). Those tires were terrible.
  • wenyuewenyue Posts: 558
    tried out the TRD suspension with the sports struts and springs? At $500-$800, it doesnt' sound too expensive. I'm curious as to the effects.
  • What do you think about this? Since my price range is less than $16000 I think I might get a Accord DX with no AC no nothing. I think it has a big engine and big car qualities that I like, all the power equipment and luxuries I can do without for now, what do you think? A strip down Accord at $16000 or fully loaded Corolla or Civic at same price?
  • wenyuewenyue Posts: 558
    I wouldn't go for a Accord DX. I think if you are going for an Accord, find any way you can to at least scrape together enough money to buy the LX.

    The DX uses cheap engine (135 hp), and is a stripper, I wouldn't go for it. Without A/C, you will find it almost impossible to sell the car later down the road (if you wanted to).

    Just my 2 cents.
  • Hi everybody,
    I am an ASU student looking to buy a cheap car with low miles to take me from "point A to pont B", atleast for a couple of years. I have been considering this Ford Taurus, 95 model with 49K miles on it. It's priced at $5000. Shall I go for it? Does this model have any bad maintainace history? Please help...
  • enetheneth Posts: 285
    But if you're looking for the fit-finish-polish-reliability that an Accord (or Civic or Corolla) offer, you'll be disappointed with the Saturn L series.

    It is not up to the competition (even the Taurus, and the Daewoo Leganza and Hyundai Sonata have better fit and finish) from other automakers.
  • I am a third year college student who plans on buying her first car very soon. I have finally come to the decision that I would like to buy a 2000 Corolla. Now I've done my research but I know it's always helpful to get info from ppl who've gone through this before. So my question is, what is the difference between a CE and LE trim after the value packages? I plan on getting auto trans (I know there is a difference in speed between the two), the value package offered, and a CD player . The info about the CE on's site lists the value package as having A/C, power doors and windows. While the VE does not have power doors and windows but does include the radio and a cassette deck in the value package. Essentially is this the only difference? After I added up the totals there was about a $1000 difference (MSRP price differenc). Would you just say I should go with the lower trim level?

    My other question is roughly how much has everyone been paying for the 2000 version of either trim? I will more then likely be buying and not leasing the vehicle. Thank you for the help=)
  • enetheneth Posts: 285
    Whatever you do, avoid the 3-speed automatic - the car is much more refined with the 4-speed.

    The 2000VE (gone for 2001) has the 3-speed, though it is available on the 2001 CE. All the 2000 CE and LE, and all the 2001 LE and S-automatic models, should be 4-speeds.
  • Great value, possibly...but great reliability? Uhh...probably not. You possibly might be spending thousands more than a Camry or Accord in the long run. Why would you want to be cheap and cut corners on quality and reliability? I know I wouldn't. Also...please stick to the Corolla topic. If I wanted to read about a Saturn (which I never will have any intention to) I would be reading the saturn town hall posts.
  • enetheneth Posts: 285
    However, that's at the low end. Equip an L-series the way a Camry or Accord usually is, and the price is similar - or higher, since you can usually negotiate a lower-than-sticker price on either, but not on the Saturn.

    Whether you're willing to live with less refinement and a lower grade of fit and finish (Saturn) vs. the Toyota/Honda competition, is another matter. Some of us don't like squeaks and rattles (which just about every Saturn I've ever been in, has as standard equipment).
  • Why wouldn't you want a 2001 vs the 2000? I didn't think there were any 2000's left on the dealers lots.I got my four speed automatic 2001 LE in July it is virtually loaded with everything the dealer has except ABS brakes and side airbags.Moonroof,spoiler,RS3005 security system,alloywheels,C.D player, etc.etc. I paid $16,800 and I love it. Ride is excellent,outside lighting is great, shifts smooth, heating and A.C. is good.The only downside I have come across so far is that the brakes are soft(too much pedal).Other then that great little car.
  • REAL customer satisfaction is having a car run for 10 years with no major problems and lower cost of maintainance. You can definitely expect that from a Toyota or Honda. So what if the dealership experience at a Saturn dealer is great. The dealership I buy my Toyotas at is great as well. I'm glad you like to emphasize JD Power and Assoc. because you can look at their overall history and see which nameplate/maker holds the most awards for the auto industry in the 10 or so years they have been around. I believe that is something Lexus and Toyota has accomplished that no other automaker can match.
  • enetheneth Posts: 285
    It matters less to Corolla owners than to Saturn owners how good the dealer and dealer satifaction, is.

    Saturn owners will find greater need for the service department than will Corolla owners, if past reliability history is an issue.

    The other issue is a personal one - if you can live with the fit and finish of a Saturn, they're OK. I suspect most Corolla buyers could not do so.
  • You are very correct when you say that Saturn owners will need the service department more than Corolla owners. As for my experience in ownership of a 10 year old Corolla, it has NEVER been on a tow truck or left me stranded ANYWHERE! That's what I call real value. You get what you pay for and cutting corners with a Saturn is a good example of that. You wan't a vehicle that has a stellar reliability record and better resale value, you can see the Corolla shining in the lights.

    As for Corollas legendary history, there are more Corollas in the world than any other vehicle. I grew up with a 79, 88 and 90 Corolla LE which all has given us 100% satisfaction. I miss my Corolla LE but my Avalon XLS continues the legacy.
  • enetheneth Posts: 285
    I had an 87 Corolla FX-16, which served me well through 11 years and 195,000+ miles, never requiring anything more than maintenance, tires, brakes and two exhaust systems.

    The 93 in the family is approaching 100K - same thing.

    A couple of relatives traded cars (one Honda Civic and one Toyota Tercel) for Saturns - and lived to regret it. They didn't realize what they had (i.e., visits to the service department scheduled at their convenience, not forced due to part failure) - and in refinement (both complained about the shabby quality of the Saturns, fit-and-finish wise).

    To its credit, Saturns dealers are generally much better than Toyota and Honda's - but that is in part to make up for a product that isn't up to par. Daewoo is similar - they've won dealership-satisfaction awards, but the cars still aren't competitive with other automakers' offerings.
  • wenyuewenyue Posts: 558
    If you are paying MSRP for a car in this class (Saturn charges MSRP), you getting get some good service. Toyota and Honda dealers will probably kiss your boots as well if you are willing to pay MSRP on a Civic or a Corolla. :) j/k
  • My first post in this chat room was specificly directed at "ZeroTolerance" in regards to a question about possible cars to buy.
    I simply gave one idea, nothing more, nothing less. I gave my opinion. There are some individuals in this room who shall remain nameless that made comments like.....

    "Saturn owners will find greater need for the
    service department than will Corolla owners, if
    past reliability history is an issue".


    " You get what you pay for and
    cutting corners with a Saturn is a good example of


    "(both complained about
    the shabby quality of the Saturns, fit-and-finish"

    I realize that the majority of these opinions are strictly that. Even thou I am not surprised at these comments, it leaves me dismayed in seeing the "Attitude" portrayed here. I was a once Toyota Celica owner, and I also owned a Nissan Sentra- Which both had problems. Many diehard Toyota fans don't want to hear that there cars have problems also. Mine had head gasket problems, faulty electrical issues, and annoying, costly, and un needed repairs.

    No cars are perfect, my previous Toyota proved that. I once too had the attitude that Toyotas were the only car to buy, but realized by following that logic alot of other good, safe cars will be missed out on.

    I am due to change cars in a while, and WAS considering a Corolla CE, as well as a Nissan Sentra GXE, and of course Saturn (all models). After seeing the thoughts/attitudes towards my seemingly harmless comments, it has left and utterly bitter taste in my mouth for the complete Toyota line. Granted, while I understand one's loyalty to a brand, I choose not to verbally attack anothers choice.

    If owning a Japanese car again (mainly Toyota) means that I would stand for the kind of things some individuals in this room do, then I will definitly be buying american cars for life. Mainly, that little car from spring hill tenn. where you will always get down to earth people, with a smile!
  • My Corolla was made by the very friendly people at NUMMI Fremont,CA and my Avalon was made by the award winning TMM Georgetown,KY plant where they are also down to earth. =) I'm not saying ALL Toyotas don't have problems. If we wanted a Saturn opinion, we would all have gone into a SATURN titled thread. I wouldn't ever go into a Saturn room and mention another name brand in there in my opinion. How would you feel as a proud Saturn person in a saturn townhall forum if a Toyota or Honda person came in your room suggesting their own brand? If I did that, I definitely know they will bash me. Sorry if we all sound too proud but if we wanted an outside suggestion, we would have gone to another town hall forum.
  • liufeiliufei Posts: 201
    Although this forum is generally intended for Toyota Corolla, other that would like to get a quick comparison/opinion of different brand/model shouldn't be discouraged. Its much more beneficial this way.
    If the sub-topic becomes a major difference, it warrant a topic of its own, but doesn't mean we kick out every single non-corolla owner out of here.

    I'm surprised the topic is this active, last time I was here, only few ppl ever post here :)
  • lox7lox7 Posts: 1

    I have a 2000 Corolla LE w/ Side Airbags & Automatic transmission. I purchased it in July and it really is a tremendous car. It is whisper quiet, has plenty of power, feels safe and rigid, and is very comfortable.
    It is funny that a Corolla LE sells for around $14,000; whereas a Camry LE sells for around $20,000. There isn't much difference between the two, if you think about it: Besides the size difference, all the amenities are the same. Plus, the Camry has 135HP - The Corolla 125 HP. Pound for pound, the Corolla has more power and is faster. Dollar for Dollar, the Corolla is a steal.

    For the money, Corolla is probably the best car on the market today.
  • liufeiliufei Posts: 201
    For the money, those Korean cars are pretty much hard to beat. Of course there's those things called reliability & resale..... :)
  • enetheneth Posts: 285
    Not to mention safety and liveability.
  • dchinndchinn Posts: 64
    At what point should the 2K w/ 4 spd AT & AC not operational to be considered broken in when the mpg should be at its stated value? Have approximately 5K miles not over 70 mph of combination true city stop & go and freeway trips of about 25-40 miles straight. Currently only getting 30 - 32 mpg on straight freeway. I'm thinking of going to the dealer and readjusting the fuel mixture or idle to maximize mileage. Any thoughts.
  • A well broken in car is definitely at 30K miles. You should be getting better mileage after 1-3K miles or so. Factory psi specs usually make it at F/R 32/28 or something in order to maximize comfort. I used 35psi on the front and rear tires on my 90 Corolla LE w/Michelin X-One 175/70R13 tires.
  • I got a 2001 LE(four speed auto.) only 1857mi. on it mostly city driving getting 26 mpg.
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    Given the description of your driving, 30-32 mpg seems about right for the freeway. Nothing a dealer will do except mess something up. Leave it alone, and do check tire pressures, as suggested; however, DO NOT exceed 35 psi. Anything higher will start to adversely affect handling as well as ride.

    Would not be surprised to see this engine need another 2-3k miles to be completely loose and broken in. Be patient.
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