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Audi A6

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  • Thanks.Mark and Tim for your advice. The deciding ingredient may be Nasdaq. I'll let you know when I start getting serious after Labor Day and do some test driving.
    Jerry
  • After a weekend with my new 2002 2.7T, I'm pleased to say that it drives beautifully and I have no regrets about choosing it over the 5 series (both 530i and 540i). My only concerns are re: the electricals. You all read about my superlative service experience last week after the my first set of problems. Now, a second - the airbag indicator light came on and didn't turn off. Took the car back to the dealer, where they replaced both airbags and the wiring harness. Once again, their efforts to correct the problem were great. Let's hope this isn't a lemon I'm driving!

    Notwithstanding these problems, the 2.7T is a great driver. As I have told many people, I still think the 5 series has a better combo of ride and handling, but it's marginal. I think the benefits of the quattro system, good looks of the car (especially with the sport package) and superior interior appointments won me over. The fact that the 2.7T is a much better value adds even more appeal. I was able to get a lease on a fully equipped 2.7T for significantly less than a 530i, not to even mention the 540i.

    I will say that I wish I had more seriously considered the 4.2, since so many of you are such big fans of it. However, think I'll wait for an RS6 next....
  • The 4.2 when compared to the 2.7T is beefier looking and has a few luxo touches. But it is more expensive. The 2.7T is -- IMHO -- the value leader of the A6's. And when you compare an A6 2.7T to a 530 Bimmer, the 2.7T looks all the better -- especially financially.

    I have had three Audi's with the 4.2 V8 engine -- my next car coundown 15 weeks -- will be a 2003 6spd manual allroad 2.7T -- I have no reason to believe I will be disappointed.

    The RS6 even to me seems like overkill here in southern Ohio with our congested freeway system. But I would love to have one.
  • marleybarrmarleybarr Posts: 334
    Markcincinnati,
    You mentioned the "luxo touches" the 4.2 has over the 2.7T. Could you write about some of these? Basically I assumed they were the same car- only the 4.2 has the bigger engine, tires,flared fenders,etc. The list price differential between the 2.7 AND 4.2 must mean some significant upgrades for the 4.2?
  • marleybarrmarleybarr Posts: 334
    Markcincinnati,
    Thanks for listing the website. It was informative and answered most of my questions.
    It appears that the 2.7T has most everything the 4.2 has (or could have) excepting the engine and the electric tilt steering.
    I guess I will just have to go test drive one to experience the subtle (and probably important) other differences!
    Thanks again-Max.
  • Just like the 4.2 for the hunkiness.
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 18,736
    Looks like any other A6 unless you spot the tiny badge or the hogged-out fenders, cool!

    2000 BMW 528i, 2001 BMW 330CiC

  • I have a 2001 2.7T that I picked up 6/01 which now has 19000+ miles. To me, this car has been as reliable as the Subies, Hondas I've had previously while being a far more sophisticated and complicated vehicle.
    Only complaint: Brakes (well documented on this forum - which I've been following for over a year without posting) which were swapped out free of charge and have now been flawless.
    Unless the car lets me down going forward, I will set my sights on another one when my lease is up.
  • I took my 2001 A6 4.2 in at 30K miles (about two weeks ago) -- while it was there the Service Manger test drove the car and decided that the brakes were again shuddering (which was true). I thought it was the rear brakes as I had done what Audi had told me which was to take the car to 60 MPH and pull on the hand brake (a little). If the rumble and shdder happened they said, it meant it was the rear rotors.

    Much to my pleasant surprise, this wonderful dealer Northland Porsche & Audi, put four new rotors on the car. I have since driven the car to Pittsburgh twice (from Cincinnati) about a 500 mile round trip and also to the Kentucky Tennesee border (about a 500 mile round trip). The brakes have never been this good, even the slight sponginess that has been the hallmark of the feel of the pedal is gone.

    Those of you who are counting, know that I have had 2 A6 4.2's and including the set that the cars came with, I think I am up to at least 8 or 9 sets of rotors on these two vehicles.

    I say this almost in disbelief -- but it is true.

    Some who read this board think I am nuts to be so loyal to Audi with the experience I have had with these two Audis. Indeed, I counter that while I would have rather not had the brakes replaced so many time, it is the behavior and treatment by my dealer and AoA that has actually increased my loyalty and "affection" for the brand. Mechanical stuff has problems -- hopefully the design, engineering or, most likely, the supplier of the parts has been sacked and new, better one put in its stead.

    My 2003 allroad is being built in week 39 and I suspect that means I will have my current A6 only another 4 months -- but again at 30+K miles, this Audi just keeps getting better.

    In spite of the brake issues, I will miss this car -- it is fantastic to drive. And now the brakes are silent and vibration free.

    Life is good.
  • with #3069 vis-a-vis the service issue. I refuse to buy cars from Manhattan-based dealerships (regardless of make) as their level of arrogance and hubris is remarkable. Instead I got my car at Mohegan Lake Motors where the level of service by all depts I've dealt with is exemplary. All things being equal, the service variable is a very important determinant in my next auto acquisition. Then again, they're in it to make money and I certainly fit within their desirable demographic profile of Audi purchasers.
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 4,088
    Who pays for all these replacements? Could it possibly be the people acquiring future cars? No, of course the manufacturer eats this and writes it off to goodwill.

    OK.
  • 4apexs4apexs Posts: 36
    After 1000 miles on my wife's leased 2002 A6 3.0 Quattro:
    Intermittently stays in first gear to redline - will not shift up while in D.
    Air conditioning will not stay in manual setting for inside recirculating air - goes to auto setting which lets in outside air - not good in rush hour traffic.
    Car delivered with out of balance tire(s).
    Fortunately my wife took another job and the company car is gone.
    Bye, not buy - Audi.
  • Mark, you forgot to mention that the 4.2 costs $ 10,000 more, and that it doesn't come with a stick. That combination sold me on the 2.7T. With the sport package you recommended, it had been pure driving pleasure for the past 9 months. Now, don't forget to post your feedback on the Allroad. Thanks again for your input. Mario
  • morphiemorphie Posts: 94
    I have an intriguing problem:

    My wife's A6 3.0 (2002) sounds like a whining supercharger between 1,500-2,000 rpm, when the a/c is on. It is clearly a/c related. the dealer has heard the noise and agrees it is a defect. The service manager called "Audi" and was told it was "normal" during warm weather. Both the dealer and I think this is hogwash. First, the noise is objectionable and loud; second, other 2002's I have driven do not have this problem. Occasionally, I have seen Audi engage in these tactics: i.e. not acknowledging a difficulty, that is not safety related. Most of my service concerns, in the past, have been fairly dealt with. I will insist that they remedy this problem.

    Has anyone else experienced this audible difficulty?
  • marleybarrmarleybarr Posts: 334
    markcincinnati,

    I think we all better start buying our Audis from Northland, the service they have given you is simply amazing!
    Audi has probably spent more warranty dollars replacing your 4.2 brakes than any other 4.2 in the country!
    I'm sure your new Allroad is being built with the utmost of care, AoA does not want markcincinnati bringing that car back for brake problems, (or any problems), for that matter!
  • timcartimcar Posts: 363
    Mike, sorry to learn of your overly loud fan(s). I only drove the 3.0 for one day when it was cooler, and so have little direct experience. The 2.7T is notorious for fan noise. I think the dealer told me there are at least three cooling fans under the hood. When the air is on, and it gets hotter, they all run. The hotter, the louder. They sound like an air raid siren, all be it, a fairly quiet one. While the noise is very discernable from outside the car, inside it's very faint. That IS normal. However, if it's loud enough to be troubling in the car, or if other cars driven under the SAME conditions don't exhibit it, it ISN'T. One thing noted on the 2.7T is that some cars had the housing for an auxiliary cooling fan loosen and protrude into the plastic fan blades. This had the result of drastically increasing the level of noise and was repaired by replacing it.
  • I had a similar problem on my 2.7T AFTER I picked it up from the dealer for its 20k service. However, the noise was what I'd describe as a low but audible and intrusive drone from the passenger side area. Dealer gave me similar explanation to what timcar rec'd. However, by turning climate control on and off several times it went away. Several days later it reappeared, went away on its own and hasn't been heard since. Even at full boil all I hear is air; ostensibly the way the system is designed to work. Unfortunately, actually replacing the hardware requires removing the entire dash which would then lead to the possibility of imperfect fit or increased squeaks and rattles (the latter two being one of my very few nitpics on this car).
  • timcartimcar Posts: 363
    Thanks for the amplification Peter, but I think we're talking about different things. The multiple fans in the engine compartment to which I'm referring are, I believe, ENGINE cooling fans, not fans that are used for the climate control. I know when I needed to track down a noise in the engine compartment (bad auxiliary cooling fan.) I counted at least three. I don't know if there are more. Some of these fans only seem to engage when the temperature soars, particularly if the air is working hard and, I think, thereby increasing engine load, and hence heat. This pattern of sounds has been consistent over the 1 1/2 years I've driven the car. They occur every time one of the conditions I've described occurs, and always have done so.

    A different noise popped last winter: I've got crickets living behind the right side of my dash! Specifically, a fan or impeller that is evidently associated with only the heating phase of the climate control system is a bit loose, and occasionally makes a noise very reminiscent of crickets. So far, I've found it somewhat charming, since I share your concerns exactly about having my very nicely fitted dash torn apart.
  • Northland is a very good dealership. And, I try to be a good customer. I inform the service manager of my issue, he checks it out -- he makes the determination of what needs to be done. I have written AoA to praise the dealer and its employees by name whenever appropriate (which is probably at least once or twice a year). I give the dealership a 5 (out of 5) when ever I am called for a survey.

    I ask about the brake issues and while I have been persistent in seeking remedy, I am far from the only one with the issue. Check audiworld, search on A6 brake issues or other search words, like rotors, warp, etc etc. The number of problems with these brakes has been, if I hadn't seen them so often, almost unbelievable.

    The 2000 A6 4.2 I leased was the first 4.2 in Cincinnati in 1999 when mine came in (a preorder of about 12 months). The brakes -- with the owner of the dealership in the car with me during the test drive (before I signed the papers) -- were warped from the moment I first got behind the wheel of the car. I still loved the car. I thought my problems were probably a one off, and was really surprised when my 2001 A6 came in and developed the same problems within 8000 miles.

    We have had Audi 5000's, an Audi Silver Fox, a Fox GTI, a 5000CS quattro, 2 Audi coupes, 1 coupe quattro, 2 100 S, 1 100 quattros, an S6, several 80's, 90's, 2 A4's 3 A6's 1 A8 and two TT's -- not to mention 1 Jetta and 1 Quantum and 1 Passat (all since 1978, when I got into my first Audi a 1976 silver/blue Fox and immediately went to the dealership and picked up a new 1978 5000). All of the cars have had at least some minor acute problem -- emphasize the word minor.

    The A6 4.2's I had/have had very few acute (i.e., normal) issues and one chronic problem -- the rotors. While I have never liked the shuddering brakes, I generally have always characterized the problem as annoying, not really "concerning" (in terms of stopping efficiency). But, I do think that the only way a company will know about the issues is for the owners to let them know -- which I have done. Apparently many -- at least going by what I read over on audiworld -- have had the same brake problems. I have now put another couple thousand miles on the car (I am at 33K) and no hint of the problem returning.

    Audi obviously knows about the problems and perhaps they have changed vendors. Hopefully the 2003 allroad I ordered will have the new discs or altogether new brakes -- as I have seen posters on the allroad forum on audiworld describe to a T the same issues I have had.

    In any case, I still am happy with the brand and the dealership. And so is my wife. We will both be getting new 03 Audi's in less than 4 months.

    Like I said, while we have high expectations of both Audi and the dealer, we are GOOD customers.

    And, I agree, the 2.7T with the 6spd and sport pkg is a very fine choice indeed -- perhaps the "bargain" of the line, too.

    The A6 4.2's -- especially now -- are my favorite Audi's so far, even more to my liking than the wonderful A8.

    Again, life is good.
  • marleybarrmarleybarr Posts: 334
    I'm amazed about your research and follow up results about the 4.2's brakes! I thought for sure that maybe you were just an extra "fussy" Audi owner and other 4.2 owners wouldn't have noticed the brake "shutter" at all! I guess I was totally wrong about that issue.
    I don't have any problem being really fanatical about the Audi. For example, when I bought the 2.7T, I noticed (in the sun) "swirl" marks in the black paint. I promptly returned to the dealer and the service manager and myself checked out every black Audi in the lot to notice the factory "swirl" in the paint- sure enough- every other car had this too. The service guy explained it is just part of the Audi process of painting at the German factory.
    For what it cost (per mile) to drive the average new Audi, the customer has the right to be "fussy" up to a certain reasonable point!
    BTW, are you one of the "lucky" 860 RS-6 buyers in the US next year? How about 415 lb.-ft. of torque/0-60 4.6 sec, but no 6-speed tip!Audi also claims no 6-speed tranny can handle this torque. I read they are using the transmission from the A-8 W-12 platform not sold in the U.S.
    My next Audi purchase should incorporate the 6-speed tip that you have mentioned on this forum before.
  • Oh this damn recession -- I am in the sector known now as the "cause of the recession" -- the now burst bubble tech sector. I am fortunate -- thus far -- to be a survivor. So, a "self inflicted wound" like an RS-6 would not be prudent.

    And, I do want and will demand a manual transmission -- for several reasons, the allroad 2.7T with the 6spd looks sortof like the Swiss Army Knife's of cars -- and with a set of bigger wheels and tires and mild "turbo chip" (and uprated bypass valves) under the hood and a new exhaust system -- the 2.7T will easily put out over 300HP and well over 300 lb ft of torque (which by all accounts the transmission can handle) and should be an absolute hoot to drive.

    And, I won't see myself coming and going even moreso than with the A6's.

    My wife's getting another 225HP TT and she says it doesn't need chipping.

    For us at this time, this is our austerity program as we continue (hopefully) to come out of the recession.

    Perhaps an S4 though. . . .
  • I thought in a previous post you were getting the allroad w/ V-8. Maybe I read it wrong. Anyway, you write "perhaps an S4 though..." I, too, have been eyeing the S4 when my 2.7T lease is up in a few years (I know, I tend to get ahead of myself). However, I recently had as a loaner an '02 A4 1.8T. I enjoyed that overall demeanor of the car alot (though I'm not as enamoured of that buzzy engine as some are). Coming out of an A6 I noticed that the transmission tunnel was very intrusive and cut into my right leg-room unlike any car I've ever driven. Has anyone else perceived this? Reason I ask is that S4 would use same body. Thanks in advance for answering an A4 question on the A6 thread!!!
  • timcartimcar Posts: 363
    I had an '02 3.0 A4 as a loaner. I drive an '01 2.7T and my wife has an '01 1.8T A4. I'm a wide guy, and the '01 A4 is just shy enough width to allow me to get completely comfortable. While the '02's added space on paper isn't significant, I found it substantively roomier than the '01. No, it isn't as comfortable for me as my A6, but I think I would find it acceptable. I didn't specifically notice the transmission tunnel, though the overall width available to the driver is certainly less than the A6's.
  • The Audi 4.2 V8 is a wonderful piece of work -- I especially like the way it growls as goes through the gears and upshifts at redline. But, sadly, no manual transmission is available and my guess is none planned for the allroad V8. So, I'm getting what may be one of the last few manual transmission Audis that will be imported.

    On the other hand, the new Ziff(?) 6spd tiptronic -- coming in a couple of years to the entire lineup (is my guess) may make the manual obsolete -- for the right reasons.

    I asked the dealer, why no manuals (or darn few) -- he says the manuals sit and sit and sit until they are discounted. Of course the manual A6's and allroads that are "on the lot" don't have many options and even the low price doesn't motivate me to lease one.

    I wonder why the manual is less desirable. . . I have had many manual transmission cars and I generally let my friends and neighbors drive my cars -- they love the manual transmission. But when they go to the dealer the only manuals on the lot are the "strippies" -- they have minimal options, that is -- so a fully optioned tip A6 2.7T will sell while a minimally optioned A6 2.7T manual will sit. I wonder if fully optioned manual transmission versions were "on the lot" if they wouldn't sell?

    Even the S6 is automatic -- as is the S8. For some reason, the 8's seem to carry off the automatic transmissions well -- in hindsight I didn't miss the manual in my A8. But today, I miss a manual transmission in my A6 4.2.

    Rumor mill: new S4, will have 4.2 V8 tuned to intermediate level (340HP) and manual transmission.
  • about the allroad being one of the last manual Audis imported. I think that as VW continues to differentiate the bloodlines of VW and Audi, they will have to choice but to continue to offer (hopefully across more and more of the model line) manual transmissions as Audi has been given the "sporty" torch to bear.
    As technology and amorphous styling continue to blur the distinction between ALL marques, I think that consumer perception and image will play an increased role. That is why BMW will probably always carry manual models; Audi seems to be moving in that direction since, as mentioned, they are positioning themselves as the "other" German BMW.
  • Here is what I think is happening:

    1. the TT will have an automatic in it in the 2003 model year, I heard if you got the 180HP model that it will "soon" only come in auto
    2. the base A6 has lost the manual, the 4.2 never had it, ditto S6, and most of the 2.7T's by far have been autos (ditto the allroad)
    3. on the dealer's lot, about 2/3 of the A4's are auto
    4. the CVT will soon be ready for quattro
    5. the 6spd tip, which I am led to believe will "convert" even a die hard like me, is coming soon across the line
    6. the RS6 and S8 -- only automatics
    7. the new A4 Cab -- auto only
    8. CVT and new 6spd conventional automatic will be "enough" to certify for US, why bother with manual.
    9. new W8 Passat will soon (2003 model) be avail with 6spd manual and sport suspension.

    =====

    Conclusion (my opinion): perhaps while not withdrawn from the market entirely, the manual transmission Audis will (are) become (ing) an increasingly smaller percentage of the total sold (according to my dealer) and therefore will be "THE" special order cars, discounts will be more rare on the manuals, and trade in values will be eroded. Result: we consumers won't want to order our cars "special" pay more than an identical one that is on the lot but that has an auto, have the residual value of the manual Audi erode faster than the auto, and probably have less aggressive lease rates for the manual transmission cars.

    I don't like it, not at all -- but ditto the above for BMW and Mercedes (heck Mercs are probably pretty darn close to 100% automatic already). There are NO 7 series BMW's with sticks and it is hard to come by a 5 series with one (even though like the A6 2.7T, there are BMW 5 series with stick shifts "on the lot.").

    VW -- virtually all VW's do come with sticks -- so for now Audi will go after the sporty crowd who apparently are plunking down in increasing numbers, money for automatic Audis far more than they are for the stick shift versions. The argument of the sportier automatic is gaining some believers through the inclusion of the manu-matic transmissions that have become the virtual standard since calendar year 1997.

    Heck, I even bought my A6's with automatics, because I wanted the 4.2 package -- the automatic, which I did not want, came along for the ride.

    Hopefully I can keep the allroad for at least 36 months (which is my plan), for I fear that even the mighty S4 which may be initially offered with a stick shift -- will change to all auto (like the S6) due to lack of interest in a stick shift version.
  • hall42hall42 Posts: 12
    Is anyone familiar with Audi's dispute resolution mechanism for lodging a complaint?? I called Audi customer service and they said I have to submit in writing a complaint to Audi North America but I have no idea what they want me to write. Is this the time I get lawyers involved or it after this step? Also, earlier I received some responses telling me to contact the regional Audi rep. Could someone please give me this number. My manuals are in the car, which by the way, is still in the shop :( I would ask my dealer for the number but he couldn't even give me the correct number for Audi customer relations. Thanks in advance!!
  • Your erudition and well laid out presentation on all things Audi cannot be impugned. Ironic, isn't it, that manual Audis would in a future world command a premium when AUTOMATICS were once the feature costing an additional four-figures!?! However, manuals may be subject to a "dead-cat bounce" as several noteable automakers have been rushing them to market; To mind come Lexus IS300, MB C240. I agree and lament with you whole-heartedly: technology may very well render the ubiquity of manuals obsolete. Thanks.
  • When I shopping for A6 3.0 quatro it turned out that the price was cut for the new model. Here are the MSRPs (in CAD)

    2002 base model 54,235

    PPD 1,000
    PPC 2,975
    PPX 1,730
    ski sack 250
    heated rear seats 250

    SUM 60,440

    PPD: auto dimming mirror w compass, auto dimming exterior mirrors, homelink, seats memory
    PCC: leather upholstery, glass sunroof
    PPX: xenon lights, multifunction steering wheel, parctronic

    2003 Model (incl. leather int.) 54,640

    PPY 3,260
    PCW 480

    SUM 58,380

    PPY: glass sunroof, xenon lights, multifunction steering wheel, homelink, seats memory, autodimming mirrors (interior and exterior)
    PCW: heated rear seats, ski sac.

    So the only difference between the two models is the Parctronic (500 CAD)

    The difference is 1560$. Is there any catch?
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