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  • Just took home my 2002 a month ago, any idea how different the 2003 model is?
  • A couple of years ago, I was in Germany for our annual let's go drive Audi's on ice in January.

    Part of the 3 days with Audi is a safety training exercise which includes a documentary -- we would call them commercials here in the US. Commercials in Germany weren't (may still are) able to compare the product being advertised with its competitors. But a Public Service or Educational program -- apparenly of any length -- can be shown so long as it at least appears to be neutral.

    This PSA was in German, but it clearly showed an S class being crashed in slow motion over and over and over -- juxtaposed with this crash was an A8 also being crashed in slo mo again and again and again.

    The message, conveyed to me perhaps because I had seen the US translation in print ads, was that the Audi was stronger (by virtue of the fact that it was lighter) than the S class and would be as safe a place as an S class in which to have a crash.

    So the A8 -- factually -- equalled the S class, and by extraploation (the weight issue) could lead one to the conclusion that it would be even stronger if it weighed more (in line with the steel car's weight).

    Then of course it is assumed that one's mind would wonder if all things being equal, if one would NOT rather have the lighter car, since it gave away nothing in crash-worthyness, due to the "implied" superiority such a car might have in terms of fuel economy and overall performance, to say nothing of rustworthiness.

    Anyway, go for the A8.
  • One of the best product-placement plugs I ever saw was in a movie called "CreepShow". Anyone who is +/- 4 years of 32 probably remembers the movie, but it was a film consisting of 3 vignettes. One featured a wealthy woman who accidentally ran over a hitchhiker. Anyway, she speeds off and the guy torments her on her way home ("Thanks for the ride, lady").
    Anyway, she has this circa mid-80's S Class Benz which she crashes into trees, drives over boulders, crashes off ravines and the car keeps on running.
    I saw this movie when I was teenager, but the movie image played well into my own image of MB being a quality automobile (then again, in the mid 80's they were!)
    Point: Audi would do well to place their excellent, well-crafted autos into the mainstream market place. After all, how many 16 year olds lust after A4s, A6s, or A8s? Very few; it's all about BMWs, Lexi and, I thought I'd never see the day, Cadillac Escalades. Why not the one-day-soon-to-be-released A6 in the next Bond flick?
  • Did you ever watch the movie Ronin? The getaway driver requested a S8, out of any car he wanted.

    In couple scenes in Mission Impossible 2, there were a TT and an A4 being used.
  • Just my luck, the two movies I didn't see actually feature Audis!
    Thanks for pointing that out.
  • That movie probably has some of the best chase scenes in recent memory. Especially in one scene where they were driving a 540 against the flow of traffic in the tunnel! And racing that S8 in the narrow European street was a sight too!
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 13,245
    That was actually an (E34?) old M5, not a 540.

    I can watch that car chase over and over...and I do thanks to DVD technology:)

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2015 Infiniti Q40 AWD, 2017 Honda Pilot Touring AWD

  • I knew it was a 5 series, but didn't realize it was a M5.
  • Hi,
    Just drove the 2003 2.7T. I have a 2000 coming off lease and the differences I noticed were as follows:
    Sport suspension standard.
    No controls in steering wheel
    headlight washers flush with fender.
    Sport mode in tiptronic tranny(I wonder if there is a difference in acceleration between sport mode and tip).
    6 CD changer in dash
  • mbnut1mbnut1 Posts: 403
    My 18 year old lusts after my Audi A4 Quattro. Kids that are true car guys are into the VAG product line.
  • Hi there. I'm finally buying a new car after 10 years in a Nissan Sentra. Not totally ready to give up a small manual car but it's time to go the wagon route with a spoiled dog and a baby on the way. I've narrowed it down to either the A6 or Volvo wagon. Any input on why I should spend a few thousand more to get the Audi (beside the fact that I loved all the bells and whistles on the test drive) would be greatly appreciated.
  • Between the Audi and the Volvo.

    Audi - Gives a better "drivers" car feel. Better interior material and quality. Has a "heavier" feel when compared to the Volvo. The quattro drive train is just outstanding. To me, it feels its giving the most bang for my bucks when compared to the volvo. BTW, when I was shopping, I was looking at the V70 and XC70 before deciding on the Audi A6 Avant.

    Volvo - Has a better "safety" feeling than the Audi. Has a lighter feeling, probably due to the quattro drivetrain in the Audi. Doesn't handle as well as the Audi. If loaded up with options like Audi, the price are very similar, yet still only offers plastic wood for the premium package. But with the incentives and price cuts, the gap is bigger now I believe. Interior fit and finish and quality of material is lower than the Audi, but I feel Volvo has a better sound system though. A tab more family oriented than Audi (this is based on the built in booster seat in the back). Some interesting gadgets, built in fridge on certain models was a nice feature. That will certainly keep the bottle cold. 8)
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 13,245
    Do you park in a garage or on the street?

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2015 Infiniti Q40 AWD, 2017 Honda Pilot Touring AWD

  • I park in an indoor garage. It's an additional expense but worth it given the car and the hassle of alt-side parking.
    If you're looking for a garage, let me know. Mine's pretty reasonable.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 13,245
    I'm definitely looking, it all depends where (I know you live a few blocks further north than I do) and what you consider reasonalble:) Any help would be appreciated.

    I'm looking for something as a possible alternative to street parking. I really wouldn't have to worry about alternate side because I'd be driving my car to and from work everyday (as opposed to taking the subway:) I'd be leaving at around 7AM and returning around 6-6:30ish PM.

    Thanks for your help!

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2015 Infiniti Q40 AWD, 2017 Honda Pilot Touring AWD

  • I use a garage on 108 betw Amst. & Col. Not a neighborhood I want to live in but I pay $264 for fully attended 24hr covered garage. I only use the car on w/e so for you it may be somewhat of a schlepp especially in winter if you're a daily user. Otherwise I haven't had too much experience shopping around. I have peeked in a couple of places in the 80's/90's and they get close to $400. That's lot of $ for nothing.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 13,245
    $264 is still a little steep for my wallet (although it is cheap for the UWS). 108th street, that's 25 blocks (1.25 miles for you non city folk) away from my apartment (83rd bet Broadway & Amsterdam). I dread to think what the garage next to my building costs. They charge $35 for overnight!

    Thanks for your help!

    Sorry for the OT discussion fellow Audi enthusiasts.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2015 Infiniti Q40 AWD, 2017 Honda Pilot Touring AWD

  • Thanks for the advice. When you mention rebates and price cuts are you talking about the Volvo or Audi? I prefer the Audi so any discounting knowledge I can have going in to make a deal would be greatly appreciated.
  • I was tallking about the Volvos, but if you are looking at the 2002 left overs, just shop and look around a bit and you will find big discounts for both brands.
  • bartalk2bartalk2 Posts: 326
    I'm new to the board and am considering an Audi A-6 3.0. What's the consensus on the reliability of the A-6? Consumer Reports wouldn't recommend it because of the repair record of recent models. What about the CVT? Any problems with that? Why have people chosen an Audi over, say, a BMW 3 or 5 series? Thanks
  • I test drove the BMW 330, 525 and 530 before deciding on the A6 3.0 Avant. Now, this is just my own opinion. I feel the Audi gave me the best bang for the buck.

    Pros and Cons

    Audi - Quattro. Much better interior quality and finish. More overall passenger room (although some drivers will complain about the transmisson tunnel intruding on leg space).

    BMW - The 3.0 engine from BMW is smoother than the one from Audi, at least from my experience. A bit lighter and more nimble car than Audi (due to the quattro system in Audi). Less leg room than a comparative Audi. Interior layout and material not as nice as those used in Audi, IMHO.
    Cost more than a comparative Audi.

    But, go drive them yourself and decide what you like more.
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 3,019
    Mark C -

    And anyone else interested, of course: The latest issue of Car (Brittish magazine) has a test of the allroad 6-speed and some competition. . .
    (Also an article on the TT 225)
    Just f.y.i.
    - Ray
    Who typically appreciates the (ahem) different views expressed in Brittish publications . . .
    2016 BMW 340i
  • I test drove the following before deciding on my A6 2.7T:

    iX Series: major drawback was no sport suspension. That combined with higher ride height to accomodate awd resulted IMO a "tall" looking car with a "floaty" ride.

    5-series: very nice, but more cramped than A6 with less content per $. Fit and finish not on par with Audi.

    C-Class Benz: "This is your father's Oldsmobile" dashboard. What's impressive about this model is that it feels substantial. It drove as though it was bigger than it was. In the end tho, same conclusion as 5-series, and no awd. Although they are offering 4matic for 2003.

    Bartalk: I LOVE BMWs. My dream when I started my career was to be able to afford one of these cars. In fact I was so surprised by my decision to get the Audi that after I left the dealer, I thought "what the (insert profanity here) did I just do?" But with 250hp (OK you're looking at 220 in the 3.0 but still nice), a unique body, and interior workmanship that's second to none, I've never looked back.

    In fact, I had to hold back a snicker when, while riding in the back seat of my brother-in-law's '02 BMW M5, I noticed the rear air vents had come loose and ceased to swivel and the ceiling handles looked as though they were lifted from the Daewoo parts bin.
  • bartalk2bartalk2 Posts: 326
    Thanks, guys, for your reasons for choosing an Audi. What about reliability, though? Any problems with yours? I read about nightmare electrical problems and astronomical repair bills. What's been your experience?

    I guess the best protection is an extended warranty.
  • Audis (and most other European cars) -- as I have said many times -- are breathtakingly expensive to repair (out of the Audi Advantage 50K miles or 4 years standard). If you must keep your new car beyond its factory insurance coverage, consider the AoA extra protection.

    Self insurance will work, but fundamentally will require a bit of a leap of faith and to be "fair" you must promise yourself that you will stick with Audis car after car after car -- reason? To make sure that if you buy 25 Audi's and keep them well past their factory warranties and don't buy extended protection that the amount you spend on extraordinary expenses is less than or equal to the cost of the extended warranties you would have purchased had you not decided to "self-warrant."

    The problem with this logic, as I watch my friends go through this exercise, is that they buy a BMW keep it beyond warranty, pay a breathtaking amount when something goes bump at 71K miles, curse the car and then next time buy a Volvo and repeat the process.

    To hear my friends sometimes, all cars are unreliable pieces of crap "cause buddy have I got a war story to tell you about my 1993 Saab and my 1998 Audi and my 2000 Jaguar -- but that Corolla takes a lickin and keeps on tickin'" -- I think I'm going to get sick the next time one of them lays this story on me.

    Audis and the other fine driving machines from Europe "seem" to have great performance and are "high maintenance" -- I admit to not liking this trade off, but my motto is "no boring cars."

    I would hate to have a 99.999% legendary reliability and .001% driving pleasure. Actually, I want both -- and mostly I have had such an experience with Audi's -- but I will not have one out of warranty. I only have a 6 figure income, after all.
  • Yes, best protection is definitely an extended warranty.
    I cannot speak for the marque as a whole, but I have a '01 A62.7T with 20k on it.

    Current problems so far have been vibrating brakes (replaced under warranty at 5k - now flawless). The brake design was addressed during the '02 model year so you won't have to worry about the same issue.

    The display on the radio sometimes flashes on and off momentarily. It in no way disrupts radio or cd operation, but the dealer has not diagnosed it successfully. Since it doesn't affect the performance of the components I've left it alone.

    Otherwise that's it. Again, this has been my experience only. Like I indicated, extra protection is a wise move with these cars if you're planning to keep outside of warranty.
  • Accumulation of brake dust on the wheels is annoying. Are these products worthwhile? I had heard they interfered with brake cooling but my friend put them on his 740iL through the dealer and they said they would be fine.
  • I just adjusted the equalizer according to the suggestions in the electronic section of Edmunds. Why doesn't Audi advise you that it is available in their manual? Same thing with the computer adjustments that makes my doors lock at 10 mph and allows me to open/close windows/moonroof with my remote. BTW the radio sounds considerably better.
  • yes they treat the equalizer adjustment like some dirty little secret that no one should know about. Maybe because too many people would screw up their radios and waste the dealers' time having them reset. Who knows.
  • I just adjusted the equalizer according to the suggestions in the electronic section of Edmunds. Why doesn't Audi advise you that it is available in their manual? Same thing with the computer adjustments that makes my doors lock at 10 mph and allows me to open/close windows/moonroof with my remote. BTW the radio sounds considerably better.
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