Older Honda Accords

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  • dudleyrdudleyr Member Posts: 3,469
    Go Hokies!
  • maltbiemaltbie Member Posts: 31
    I leased a 2003 EX-V6 today in upstate NY. For those interested, lease terms are as follows:

    Gross Cap. Cost: $25,289.25 (includes $550 acquisition fee, first payment of $330 and $65 registration fee);
    Cap cost reduction: $0;
    Term - 36 months;
    Mileage - 12k/yr;
    Residual - $17,069;
    Up front $ - $1,000 (includes $950 - 8% NYS sales tax, $20 doc fee, $30 registration fee);
    Monthly payment: $330.00
  • bodydoublebodydouble Member Posts: 801
    Why would you say the '03 Accord is not a good value? Just looking at the Canadian prices, the top-of-the-line EXV6 is $1400 more than the '02. I considered the '02 EXV6 to be a heck of a bargain compared to similar models from Toyota/Nissan. So, for $1400 more, you would get, in addition to the obvious advantages of a new design and one model year newer, 40 more HP, a more luxurious interior, dual-zone air, 5-speed auto, curtain air-bags, 16" wheels, the key-operated power windows, etc., etc. I think that's a helluva bargain too! Maybe not as good a bargain as the '02 SE, but pretty darn close.
  • dudleyrdudleyr Member Posts: 3,469
    Don't forget teloscoping wheel and outside temperature gauge.
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    C$32500 for an EX V6 leapfrogs the Altima right into Maxima territory. To me that's not great value. While I don't dispute it will likely be a solid car, it's not a great value buy.
  • dudleyrdudleyr Member Posts: 3,469
    Aside from an available manual tranny why would a Maxima be considered better than the new V6 Accord? Why shouldn't the price be in Maxima territory?
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    Until Nissan decided to go after the big guns in the family sized market with the Altima, the Maxima *was* the car they marketed against the Camry, Accord, Passat, etc. Although I understand that Nissan plans to move the next generation Maxima up a class, the current car is no different than before the Altima "upgrade". So being in Maxima territory is hardly a big deal.
  • bodydoublebodydouble Member Posts: 801
    Also, at least for the Canadian market, the $32,500 CDN for the top-shelf Accord will only buy you a Maxima GXE. I would consider the '03 Accord EXV6 to be equal or superior to ANY of the Maxima model, in any aspect, be it performance, luxury, safety, comfort, and value. The only unknown at this point is the build quality of the Accord. Styling is subjective, but both cars may be equally controversial in this respect and have their share of critics.
  • coolguyky7coolguyky7 Member Posts: 932
    I've figured out what I don't like about the new Accord's design. It just has so much hood and little trunk lid. The design isn't that bad though. I like it for the most part.
  • toneman2toneman2 Member Posts: 19
    A top of the line Altima is $33,300 ($800 more than the accord), the Camry $36,500 and the Passat GLX, w/o 4 motion about $40,200. The new accord is the cheapest of the bunch. What were you saying about value in the Canadian market?
  • austinman7austinman7 Member Posts: 313
    I signed the papers the other day for an '03 LX-V6 Accord (graphite pearl). It will be built in October.

    Today I called American Honda (800-999-1009)to ask about the problem with the 5-speed auto transmissions. I asked if the Honda engineers had discovered the problem and redesigned the transmission (as the Acura spokesperson said in the L.A. Times article), and if that meant that my new Accord would have one of those redesigned, therefore safe, transmissions.

    He said, and I quote: "All updates and improvements as necessary have been made, and the '03 vehicle shouldn't be affected by this matter."

    Today I mailed a copy of the L.A. Times article to my salesperson and asked him to tell me what he knows about this issue. I should have a response in a day or two.

    Of course, I certainly wouldn't want to experience what the people in the article went through. I'm hoping that Honda is being honest and forthcoming when they say they have fixed the problem. It's a very real concern with me, but I'm trying to keep it in perspective.

    I would be very interested in anyone else's knowledge on this matter.
  • jimmyj1945jimmyj1945 Member Posts: 141
    I know this is late, sorry, but could someone tell me if the transmission problems are related to the new 2003 Hondas-or-the 2002 Hondas?

    Thanks,

    Jim
  • vmaturovmaturo Member Posts: 71
    Well only got to see a 4Cyl Cloth. What's up with the sunroof switch on the dash? The left side of the steering wheel at that. Just imagine trying to open the roof to wave your children bye as you leave the house. Hands all over the place.
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    And the tilt/telescope wheel is one lever. The Altima uses two. So everytime you get in and lower (like I do) the wheel, you don't have to set both. And it isn't spring loaded like the Altima's. And it doesn't tilt very much either. They need to go back to the drawing board on that.
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    Goose neck hinges on the trunk, small trunk at that.
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    Only prop rod on the 4cyl.
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    And where did the rear end of the car go? It looks chopped off at the rear.
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    And the center console cover seems lifted from 1980.
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    And now it looks like these transmission problems are going to cause this new introduction to have a poor reliability rating just like the Civic and Odyssey.
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    Definately a big YUK.
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    First, there are no identified transmission problems for the new Accord. Even if the transmission design is the same as the TL (which I believe is NOT the case), Honda has identified the parts responsible for the failures and the problem has been corrected.

    Second, why do you insist on misrepresenting the reliability data? I remember when you last spun this to reflect your personal opinions. The Civic and Odyssey DO NOT have poor reliability ratings. Both vehicles are ranked by CU as average... and I remember that it was CU that you referenced last time. Not the best score that a Honda has ever had, but how do you get "poor" out of that?

    The Civic was right in the middle of its class, and the Odyssey was the third highest rated out of 15, ranked higher than the Nissans and every single American brand.

    And by the way, the previous generation of V-6 Accords did have a limited number of vehicles with transmission problems. However, rather than giving the Accord a "poor" rating, CU's ratings shows the Accord as the second highest rated family car, with a "much better than average" rating. So I wouldn't bet the ranch on your prediction about reliability of the new Accord...

    You can like or not like Hondas as much as you please... that's your perogative. But if you're going to reference reliability data, at least do so honestly and accurately.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    Honda has always put their sunroof switches on the dash. My SI is the only Honda I've seen with the switch not on the dash. And if you aren't coordinated enough to open the sunroof with your left hand and wave with your right then why not just wave out the window?

    How many times do you plan on adjusting the steering wheel? Just set it and leave it. And if you are after the easiest to use tilt/telescopic wheel then buy a car with memory positioning like a CL/TL/Lexus/Millenia etc.

    If the trunk is too small then buy another car. It only went down .1 cubic feet from the previous model and the 99 and 01 Accords I owned had more than enough room for me, my stuff, and at times 3 other people and their stuff. If space is your main concern then buy an Impala, Odyssey, CR-V, etc.

    Prop rod? Geez are Americans getting that lazy?

    Looks are subjective and your impression of the Accord's styling is an opinion.

    Center console covers? Try an Altimas. Feels like something out of a 1980's Hyundai. And again, that is your opinion. I had no problem with the

    Problems with Accord trannys were limited to V6 models with the 4-speed auto. Both the 4 cylinder Accords and the new 03 5-speed V6 trannys should be trouble-free.

    Just curious as to what kind of car you drive vmaturo....
  • bodydoublebodydouble Member Posts: 801
    I actually prefer the sunroof switch on the dash off to the side. First of all, one quick glance slightly downward will locate the switch instead of having to look up. And secondly, this way only I can operate the sunroof. Eliminates children playing around with it and distracting me while I'm driving.
  • emaleemale Member Posts: 1,380
    just got back from a test drive of an EX-L 4 banger accord. really wanted to drive a v6 powered sedan but all five they had were equipped with the four. the car was silver with black leather. here are my impressions.

    good:
    1. styling is growing on me except i'm still not fond of the rear taillamps. and i do agree from a side view that the rearend looks stubby.
    2. interior is very nicely done...especially the back lit gauges. those are very kewl! not sure about the LCD displays for the climate control/radio. they look like they could easily wash out in direct sunlight.
    3. seats were firm but seemed comfy.
    4. a/c actually seemed to work good.
    5. ride was typical honda which imo is good and firm...although i was a bit surprised at the amount of road rumble that sneeked into the cabin on textured roads. also some wind noise but not too bad.
    6. autobox shifted nice and smooth...much better than the '02 v6 coupe i test drove a couple years ago.

    not so good:
    1. center armrest/console seems kinda contrived...not sure about it's usefulness.
    2. 4 banger just didn't provide any thrill when stomped - wish they'd had a v6 to test.
    3. gooseneck trunk hinges gotta go...what is honda thinking??!
    4. sunroof controls on the dash left of the steering wheel is also a dumb idea. and especially so low on the dash. i can't for the life of me figure out why they put them there?

    overall, not a bad ride and honda is propping up lease end values making monthly payments pretty doable.
  • amazing2uamazing2u Member Posts: 67
    Question:

    Is it a "one touch" operation? (ie. Auto open/close function)
  • ickes_mobileickes_mobile Member Posts: 675
    My understanding is that no it isn't a one touch open or close switch. Passat definately has the goods here with their rotating auto switch such that you can open it to any position without holding a button...
  • emaleemale Member Posts: 1,380
    i can't remember if it was one touch for open...but i do remember having to hold the button to close it completely.
  • bcabbcab Member Posts: 20
    Could you provide the name and location of the dealer who did your lease?
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    toneman2 : I wouldn't consider any of those to be a good value. VW's are all over priced.

    bodydouble : You are likely dreaming if you think the Accord will out perform a Maxima. I doubt it will even out perform an Altima. Great engine/ quality in the Accord, I just don't think the handling dynamics are there though. That said, I have not tested an 03 Accord so I may be wrong. I doubt it from what I have read so far though.
  • emaleemale Member Posts: 1,380
    after having ridden in previous generation accords...the new '03...and an '01 maxima, i'd definitely give suspension kudos to the hondas. the maxima's beam rear axle feels to me like it bottoms out to easily. the accords rear suspension is sophisticated and feels that way...
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    I agree the beam rear axle isn't the best, but the fact remains the Maxima is a sport sedan and I know it handles very well. From what I have read so far, the Accord is no sport sedan. I'm certainly not suggesting that's a bad thing or that it's a bad car, just that it won't likely outperform a Max.
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    I think the only non-luxury (i.e. no BMW's allowed) car that can actually compete with the Maxima is the Pontiac Grand Prix GTP.
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    Yet Car and Driver keeps giving Accords top handling scores in their comparison tests. In the last test against a 2002 Altima SE, they gave both cars 9 out of 10 for handling, while the Accord got a 9 for ride vs. the Altima's 7. Big score for suspension sophistication.

    As for the Maxima, when MT tested the V-6 Accord and Camry vs. the Maxima in 2000, they ranked the Accord higher for handling than the Maxima.

    And it's not just the magazines. You claim to know that the Maxima handles very well. Well, I know the same thing about the Accord.

    Yes, I agree that the Accord is not a true sports sedan, but neither is the Maxima. First, FWD keeps both cars from true sports sedan status. And with the Maxima, when they stuffed a beam axle in the last generation, they lost any credibility in sports sedan circles. It's a very fine car, but a sports sedan? No way...
  • bodydoublebodydouble Member Posts: 801
    I ain't the one dreamin'. The Accord V6 has already been documented to out-accelerate the Altima. If performance is defined to include not only straight-line acceleration, but handling, steering, road feel, etc., I think time will prove that the Accord V6 will be at least on a par with the Maxima if you compare auto to auto, manual to manual. As talon alluded to above, the Maxima has evolved into a bit of a Japanese 4-door Mustang GT -- superior power and acceleration but somewhat dated in its suspension setup and handling.

    But this digresses from the initial debate as to whether the new Accord is a good value. And I stand by my opinion that it is still one helluva bargain compared to its competition.
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Member Posts: 5,525
    Accord has a beautiful suspension layout. Without being on the harsh side it actually handles well, and can be considered somewhere between sporty and family sedan oriented. With Altima/Maxima, you go one way or the other. With Camry, only one way.

    Accord feels planted on the road, 80 mph or going around a 15 mph ramp at 40 mph, over the bumps or around the turns. The tires will give up, not the chassis. Yes, there is more body roll than a stiffly sprung car should have, but control is never lost. Try stomping on the gas pedal in a Maxima or Altima going around a corner. Repeat the same in an Accord. You'd know the difference. The geometry that the front double wishbones provide also take care of torque steer quite a bit.

    OTOH, get a non-SE Altima/Maxima, versus any Accord. Go over bumps, and watch the rear end of the Nissan bounce up and down for a while. OTOH, Accord's suspension settles almost immediately.

    This combination of ride and handling in single suspension setup makes an Accord rank very high in my books. And without a doubt, the best value in its class too.
  • jimxojimxo Member Posts: 423
    I drove the 2003 Accord V6 and then the 2003 Maxima. Let me tell you the Maxima wins almost every contest. Maxima SE has more power rear seating room and bigger everything over the Accord. For $25k Accord cant come close.
  • jar1945jar1945 Member Posts: 22
    My catalytic converter is starting to give off a rotten egg smell on my new 2003 ex 4 cylinder accord. Anyone know what might be going on? The car has 58 miles and is 3 days old.

    thanks!
  • venus537venus537 Member Posts: 1,443
    congratuations! i think that smell is normal for such a new car.
  • mike767mike767 Member Posts: 20
    Traded my 2002 passat gls for a 2003 Satin silver/black cloth ex/a and couldn't be happier. The car is extremely well built. It may not have some of the little vw creature comforts, but it is a very well engineered car. Unlike the VW, there are no Dashboard rattles(mine) dead ecu at 400 miles or complex maintenance issues. The car is straight forward and am very pleased with the 4 cyl powerplant. Happy camper to finally put 87 octane in a car.
  • tblazer503tblazer503 Member Posts: 620
    I am curious as to what you compared. An LX Accord v6 compared to an SE 6spd Maxima? both auto, both handshakers? I would compare the "Prelude" version of the Accord next year when it comes out against the SE Maxima. Looks like the base Maxima is about 25k and a loaded one that is equipped like the Accord is running about 30k MSRP and they want roughly 27,5 w/ rebate. You still won't get a few features like the curtain airbags, and for the extra $$ you can get navi, etc. Try a Maxima to a TL-S they MSRP around 31k.. They are pretty comprably loaded... =o)
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    bodydouble : Hey, maybe I will be proven wrong. I will test a V6 at some point over the next couple of months and see for myself also. Reading through reviews I have not gotten the impression the Accord is a sports sedan at all. The Maxima is a nice handling car regardless with a lot of power. I don't think the Accord is a "bargain" by any stretch of the imagination, fairly priced I suppose though an Acura TL is only a 3-4 grand more.
  • ajaymeajayme Member Posts: 74
    One area the Max is very weak in is handling over a rough surface. I drove an 2002 SE over a rough service and between the bouncing around and noise from that beam axle it nearly drove me nuts. The Accord has no such problem. If you want a good handling Max wait for the 2004 Max which will use the Altima's type of rear suspension.
  • dudleyrdudleyr Member Posts: 3,469
    Regarding value. Remember that the Accord DX starts at $15,800 or about $17,200 when you add A/C and shipping. This is for a car with the same engine (unlike past years when DX had a different engine), transmission, suspension, body etc as an EX. That is one heck of a value. The LX is also a very good deal at under $20,000. In fact all of the 4-cylinder models are a good deal. The extra couple of grand for the v-6 buys you very little though in my opinion, as the 4 is as smooth and quick as many V-6 engines. If you drag race (as it seems many people in these forums do) then the V-6 may be a better choice, but then why would you want an auto tranny if you are a drag racer - wait for the 6-speed coupe.

    I am amazed by all of the gizmos that car makers have come up with that become must have items on a car. Most fun car I ever had was a 1980 Scirocco that had about every option available, yet it did not even have power locks, power steering, power windows, cruise control etc. etc. , and it was much slower than the slowest Accord (4-cyl automatic).
  • bcabbcab Member Posts: 20
    I've been putting together a list of purchase price/lease deals for '03 Accords. If you don't mind, please post the details of your deal (include model and option info), as well as the location of the dealership. Thanks!
  • dudleyrdudleyr Member Posts: 3,469
    Regarding value. Remember that the Accord DX starts at $15,800 or about $17,200 when you add A/C and shipping. This is for a car with the same engine (unlike past years when DX had a different engine), transmission, suspension, body etc as an EX. That is one heck of a value. The LX is also a very good deal at under $20,000. In fact all of the 4-cylinder models are a good deal. The extra couple of grand for the v-6 buys you very little though in my opinion, as the 4 is as smooth and quick as many V-6 engines. If you drag race (as it seems many people in these forums do) then the V-6 may be a better choice, but then why would you want an auto tranny if you are a drag racer - wait for the 6-speed coupe.

    I am amazed by all of the gizmos that car makers have come up with that become must have items on a car. Most fun car I ever had was a 1980 Scirocco that had about every option available, yet it did not even have power locks, power steering, power windows, cruise control etc. etc. , and it was much slower than the slowest Accord (4-cyl automatic).
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    I agree, I think the 4 cyl models are a much better value as the engine is so powerful anyway. The high end V6 models seem to pricey to me. That said, nothing with an H on the hood is cheap.
  • peteinmplspeteinmpls Member Posts: 13
    Hi all...

    I'm well behind in this discussion and a very, very part-time contributor...but have to share this for what it's worth.

    I was one of those that was really negative/disappointed by the styling of the Accord when the initial pictures and reviews came out a few weeks back. I compared it to the ovoid Taurus of the mid-90's as being one of the more jarring redesigns of a popular mid-size car in recent history.

    Finally got out to a dealer lot yesterday to scan a 2003 in the flesh...I have to say it looks much better in person than it comes across in photos (particularly on-line photos). It doesn't immediately knock your socks off, but if you look at it from all angles, it sort of gells as you study it and you can see what the designer was intending. The rear end is still my least favorite aspect...I think they could have done so much better with a different tail-light design...something that compliments the sharp, angular headlights. But it's not nearly as frumpy as it appeared at first, in pictures.

    At any rate, I'm excited that this car will be on my list next summer when I'm in the market. A 5 speed, 4-cylinder EX with leather might be just the ticket...an awful lot of content for what will probably be about a $22K purchase price (by next summer at least). And 34 MPG highway for a mid-size car.

    So many great choices these days...and lots more to be revealed in the coming months too.
  • edberg_dcedberg_dc Member Posts: 23
    Don't know if anyone saw this yet, but C&D really liked the Accord V6. They didn't like the Buick-ish rear end but overall the review was pretty glowing.


    I found this fact quite interesting: "But by leveraging that power advantage across five gear ratios instead of Nissan's four, the new Accord outperforms the Nissan by 0.3 second to 60 mph (7.0 seconds) and 0.1 in the quarter (15.5 seconds at 92 mph). The advantage over the previous Accord is more than a second from 50 mph onward, even though the new car outweighs its predecessor and the Altima each by about 100 pounds. And here's the kicker: It even gets better gas mileage than either of the above — 21 city and 30 highway versus 20 and 28 for the '02 Accord, 19 and 26 for the Altima."


    Here's the article: http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caranddriver/roadtests/2002/october/0210_roadtest_accord.xml


    enjoy.

  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    Given all the cash back and preferred rates (a la 0%), there are many competitors out there with better deals. I don't care about re-sale as I hold cars for 7-10 years and by then there is no sizeable difference. While I do think Honda has great cars with good quality, it doesn't come cheap at least not here in Canada. That said, the Accord special editions that were out this year were a pretty decent value so occasionally I do see value in Hondas.

    I think the Accord may be on the shopping list next sedan, but I am not sure that it will win my money. Who knows, I have surprised myself before.
  • ickes_mobileickes_mobile Member Posts: 675
    Has anyone driven a five-speed manual yet?
  • soberssobers Member Posts: 496
    even after 7 to 8 years Accord Lx 4 cyl with 100K miles goes for $4000 !! That is good chuck of money for downpayment on a new one!!

    It is amazhing to see people buying accords with 130K+ mileage for close to 3000 !!
  • prebmwprebmw Member Posts: 23
    I have sold my 00 Accord EX and want to replace it with an 03 Accord EX with leather. My dealer is only offering $1000 off of sticker on an 03. This seems high to me. I would like to know what kind of price (amount of discount from msrp) that others have been able to get. Thanks for any help - I hate this part of the buying process.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    I have been keeping an eye out for a 5-speed EX sedan here in the Atlanta area but so far the 2 dealers I've visited don't have any.
  • mikecoat45mikecoat45 Member Posts: 5
    sobers said: "It is amazing to see people buying accords with 130K+ mileage for close to 3000 !!"

    I just sold my 94 Accord EX 5-speed with 129,000 miles for $4300. It wouldn't fit in the garage anymore.., a 2003 Accord EX V6 is in there!

    BTW, I loved that 94 Accord. Best car I ever had.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    At the dealer where I work I just saw a 94 Accord with 250,000 miles come in. Only thing wrong with it was the AC needed service. The 90-93's are bullet-proof as well and their interior holds up unbelievably as long as they were reasonably maintained.
  • bcabbcab Member Posts: 20
    Just came back from a dealership, and test drove the EX-L I4. The acceleration may not be as "breathtaking" as the V6, but it's definately fast enough for me.

    Now for the offer:
    $1995 out of pocket (tax, 1st pay.,bank fee, mv fees)
    $315 monthly payment (39 month/12k miles)
    Dealer "Throw-ins": Extend Warranty for 3 months (39 total months), Moon Roof Wind Deflector, 2 free services/oil changes, 4 free car washes

    This is one of the better offers I've found here in New York so far. I'm seeing another dealer tommorow who promised similar numbers, but for 36 months (no "throw-ins" yet).

    Any other lease deals out there? Let me know.
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    Accord isn't cheap, Hyundias are cheap, but I'm mainly speaking of the V6 as I prefer V6 sedans. All I have said is, an Accord that costs C$32500 is getting real close to playing with the Maximas and Acura TLs of the world. To me, if you are going to spend that much money you may as well go for something a notch up in luxury.

    Hey I know the domestics are better value. That's why I have an Intrigue right now. That said, the domestic offerings now that Olds is gone are pretty scarce in the sport sedan market so I look at a V6 Accord which to me seems pricey. I have zero interest in the Camry (ugly) or the Passat (over priced).

    No big deal.. I am not in the market at this time, just trying to keep up with what's new. By the time I buy they will likely have some special edition value packages.
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