Lexus LS 400/LS 430

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  • bitkahunabitkahuna Member Posts: 206
    First, I want to make it clear that I think Mobil 1 is a marvelous thing! Its properties are amazing. I know (from my relative) about a lot of the tests it went through during its development. However, its capabilities far exceed what a car needs, unless it's being driven on a race track. Certainly no harm in using it, as wwest said, it's a bit like insurance, and if you change your own oil, fine, go ahead.

    Mobil-1 is actually part of a huge family of synthetic oils, greases and other lubricants, many of which are used in some REALLY brutal applications, like power station bearings and the space shuttle arm. Some applications don't permit frequent lubrication or lubricant changes, so the performance must be incredible (no breakdown) and must often be able to deal with some extremes of temperatures.

    Anyway, enough rambling ... suffice to say I think synthetic lubricants are fabulous, but most car owners have no need for them.
  • harryburnsharryburns Member Posts: 7
    Traded in 91 LS 400 w/140k on LS 430, did not ever change the anti-freeze, or anything else except the oil and filter at 7500 miles, 3 batteries, 3 sets of tires.
    The LS 400 did not require any maintenance.
    When it ain't broke, don't fix it.

    Also, I never love anything that cannot love be back!
  • ljflxljflx Member Posts: 4,690
    MB has 8 airbags on the E and S (don't know how many on C). The extra 2 are rear seat air bags in addition to the curtain. For whatever reason Lexus must feel the curtain is sufficient. Now 8 airbags I can understand but where do you put another 6 airbags. They must drop from the roof but since there is only room for 5 occupants I can't account for the last airbag. I think we are getting into airbag overkill here. MB seems to be the safest without going overboard.
  • sathnsathn Member Posts: 6
    I'm sure most people don't wan't to get into accidents....that's why they're called accidents, you can't predict them. Just because you are a conservative driver doesnt mean everyone else areound you is also.
  • greasykid1greasykid1 Member Posts: 336
    If you are driving down the road and are hit by a meteorite===that is an accident. Everything else is driver error.
  • sathnsathn Member Posts: 6
    quote:If you are driving down the road and are hit by a meteorite===that is an accident. Everything else is driver error.

    Yes but not always your driver error.
  • ermedinaermedina Member Posts: 1
    I recently purchased a one owner 91 LS 400 in mint condition with 87k miles. Can anyone tell me about any major problems they have had with one.
  • nealm1nealm1 Member Posts: 154
    "Bleeding" on the LCD displays is common. A/c compressors can go ($2k). I replaced a water pump on my 90 at ~100k. Other than that, the thing is virtually bullet proof. Enjoy a fabulous used car experience.
  • nealm1nealm1 Member Posts: 154
    The dealer was less than enthusiastic about the Lexus extended warranty (said its coverage was poor). I had to raise the issue myself. He did try to sell me one of the non-Lexus insurance packages, but I wasn't interested in have to file insurance claims to get "warranty" work done, so I declined. If the LS 430 is as reliable as the 400, I won't miss it.
  • lateralglateralg Member Posts: 929
    Adhere to the manufacturer's recommendations.

    This is way out of my field, so I could only guess on an alternative, but won't do so.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    The GSHP was just "bait" on my hook.

    The only "major" problem I have had with my 92 LS was a failed oxygen sensor. There are about 5 90 through 92 LS's owned by myself and amongst my friends and the only major failure was the rear crank seal leaking. And that happened, was discovered, immediately on the car's return from Bellevue Lexus for a 60K tuneup. Go figure.

    About this time of year you might start running into problems with the windshield fogging over on the inside. You can quickly overcome this in each instance by turning up the temperature setpoint at the same time you activate the defrost function.

    Lexus strongly advises that in colder climates you depress the flow-thru function button, even if it already indicates that mode, because otherwise the system will automatically regulate it to minimize the need for additional heating and therefore a higher, noisier blower speed.

    In plainer english.

    When the Lexus climate control is in (fully)automatic mode the flow-thru/recirc toggle/indicator may indicate the system is in flow-thru, the indicator is lit, when that function is actually more in re-circ than in flow-thru.

    On these early models, according to Lexus, the only way to be sure the system is in flow-thru mode (preventing humidity from building up in the cabin) is to actually depress the flow-thru "toggle" (even if it already indicates the flow-thru mode) removing this function from the system's "quietness" control loop, and therefore locking it in full flow-thru mode.

    I can't say about other years and models, but on my 92 LS, taking this action did not "extinguish" the fully automatic mode indicator as is stated in the owner's manual, while manually over-riding any other system function will. Lexus kept telling me over-and over how to "manage" the system so my windshield did not fog over so often. But I never "got it" becuase of the flawed automatic indication in my 92, (the system automatic mode light remains on even though the driver has manually over-ridden the flow-thru function) which it turned out, apparently, that they didn't even know about at the time.

    I recently noticed that Mercedes Benz is automatically regulating the amount of flow-thru vs re-circ airflow by measuring the relative humidity in the cabin and allowing more fresh air into the cabin if the humidity starts to climb.

    I have no idea what Lexus is doing in this venue nowadays except to say that my 2000 GS and my 2001 RX seem to have the same propensity to fog over the windshield on cooler humid days as does the 92.

    It's also clear that they haven't figured out that the ONLY reliable way to clear condensation from the windshield interior, and keep it cleared, is to HEAT the airflow routed to the windshield in defrost (defog/demist) mode.

    I absolutely agree that dehumidifying this airflow through the use of the A/C system does help to remove and prevent condensation from forming, but the closer the outside air temperature is to freezing the less effective this becomes, until the A/C compressor is shut down completely, automatically, as the OAT declines below 34F.

    At that point the ONLY solution is to heat the defog airflow. But can somebody tell Lexus, or DENSO USA, that before some one is killed? If that hasn't already happened.

    I don't know who designs the Porsche and MB climate control systems, but I do wish Denso would find out and have a good heart to heart with their engineers.

    On a Porsche or an MB when you activate the defrost function you get dehumidified HOT airflow to the windshield, in the middle of a hot summer day or whenever. If the OAT is above 34F the A/C compressor comes on-line to help more quickly defog the windshield.
  • sathnsathn Member Posts: 6
    Does anyone have this interior? How does it look. It seems like a good alternative to balck and ecru which I read stain a lot.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    Sorry for the long, almost ranting, post, but here in the Pacific Northwest this seems to be a MAJOR problem with the entire Lexus line, and the answer is so simple I don't understand why it's being ignored.

    I notice Denso USA is getting more and more design wins every day, and thus having an opportunity to expose more of us to this design flaw.

    Maybe I'm overstating things a bit. I have assumed that any car, vehicle, I get into and activate the defrost function and it blows cooled air on the windshield has a climate control system designed by Denso. That may not be true, there may be automatic climate control design engineers out there just as stupid as the ones who work for Denso.
  • lateralglateralg Member Posts: 929
    "The GSHP was just "bait" on my hook."

    Keep casting. There's too much folklore & unsubstantiated personal beliefs stated as fact on this board.
  • bitkahunabitkahuna Member Posts: 206
    Between the dangerous fogging of the windshield and the dangerous navigation system it's a wonder you set foot anywhere near a Lexus. ;-)

    By the way, my AutoWeek just arrived showing that the new Camry will offer (surprise) a nav system, so now you'll have a half million cars a year going on the road, many of which will have nav systems. I expect the next Accord will offer it too since their minivan and Acura models do.
  • grathgrath Member Posts: 13
    This is a longshot...but I'll bet there is a high turnover of Lexus service managers in the Pacific Northwest.
  • bitkahunabitkahuna Member Posts: 206
    LOL - yeah, some have given up the business altogether...
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    Yeh, and mechanics (technicians) etc, etc.

    I haven't had a car into a Lexus dealer since about 93 but in watching from afar it seems to me they "turnover" the entire crew each time they become sharp enough to demand decent pay.

    I still stand by my position, Lexus is the very best "brand", automotive wise, in the world today. But if you want to use a motto like "relentless pursuit of perfection" you had better listen, expect, customer feedback.

    I bought my very first 911 in about 84, it didn't take me very long to learn that those in the "club" didn't "talk down" the car. Not my way.
  • ljflxljflx Member Posts: 4,690
    Haven't you ever received a customer survey in the mail from Lexus with satisfaction questions and recommendations for future models? I know I have everytime I went into a new lease and at other times as well. How else do you get customer feedback? Recently they sent me a thank-you with a small gift for my e-mail adress so obviously they are compiling e-mail addresses for the same reason. I can't believe this could only be a regional program for leasing purposes.
  • lateralglateralg Member Posts: 929
    The attached is fairly good reading. The author is selling test equipment, but I think his comments on coolant degradation, and its effects, are worth considering by anyone planning to own their car fo several years.


    http://www.eutechinst.com/techtips/tech-tips10.htm

  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    If you happen to have one you probably have an inexpensive Ph tester in the form of a "litmus" test strip. The author recommends a Ph of 9.5 to 10 for engine coolant and my spa test strip only indicates 8.4 and below. I think I can ad lib my way to a 9.5 measurement, even "deeper" red.

    Or considering that the coolant has been installed since at the factory in 91 and there is no apparent damage I suspect that whatever it indicates at this stage is probably okay for the long haul.

    I'll keep you posted.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    Isn't a Ph reading of 7.5 neutral, not acidic nor alkaline?

    Wouldn't a Ph of 7.5, neutral, be more desireable?
  • sfmartinsfmartin Member Posts: 59
    7.0 is neutral. In a swimming pool, slightly alkaline, 7.4, is desirable. As soon as it drops below 7.0, i.e., becomes acid, it starts eating up metal parts.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    Then why would someone recommend 9.5 to 10.0 for the optimal Ph for automotive anti-freeze?
  • lateralglateralg Member Posts: 929
    More bait?
  • bitkahunabitkahuna Member Posts: 206
    Nothing I like more on a Saturday than doing litmus tests on my car coolant...

    Well occasionally I do like to get dust out from behind the rear seats, you know, it gets dirty back there.

    Once in a while I work on the aim of my rear brake lights too. Can't be too careful.
  • wbwynnwbwynn Member Posts: 246
    A lot of these posts are pure rubbish from people who have big and strange egos. Keep to the topic of "useful" LEXUS LS commentary and quit filling up this board with mindless bantering.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    Post #1830, is that what you call mindless bandering?

    Look, maybe you don't like having a place to exchange information that can be (immediately, eventually) of value, but this is stuff you cannot learn elsewhere. Maybe you don't have need of it today, but one never knows what tomorrow will bring.

    No, that wasn't "bait".

    I can see why a Ph below 7.0 (acidic) would not be desireable. I cannot readily understand why being above 7.0 might be desireable, as recommended by the posted "link".

    I suspect that it might have something to do, possibly, that the glycol content is naturally akaline and thus a Ph of 10.0 would also automatically(?) imply the level of that content.

    Useful commentary..

    "If it aren't broke don't fix it".

    My experience has been that every time any of my cars goes into a dealer shop they always come back with something wrong. A lot of these recent posts have been along the lines of DIY and avoiding the problems associated with having the dealer technicians use our cars as a learning tool.

    I can well afford to have this work done but I do value my own personal time quite highly and having to take the car back in to be serviced "again" is too costly in that regard.
  • aloog8aloog8 Member Posts: 11
    sathn asked about an alternative to ecru and black. The dealer told me that the Bordeaux interior is only available by factory order because very few buyers request it. I ordered it because I didn't want black or ecru. It is a beautiful deep wine color with only a hint of red. It's stunning in combination with the dark gray carpet and dash and the light gray headliner. Stains are not a problem, but dust shows if the leather isn't kept clean. You also have to wipe off the Bordeaux wood periodically since it tends to show a film from normal interior off-gassing. On early production models, leather panel color hues didn't always match (mine was later).

    At another Lexus dealer, sales and service personnel gathered to peek inside because they had never seen the Bordeaux. The car has every available option and I get many requests by people asking for an inside "tour." They are always awed and amazed as much by the interior colors as they are by the functional features.

    Subject: Nav system. Whenever I am on "gold" roads, which is not infrequent, the lady tells me "guidance cannot be provided in this area. Please use the directional arrow..." Thus, with no voice prompts, I have to look down often at the arrow on the nav screen. That seems to compromise safety.
  • lenscaplenscap Member Posts: 854
    Question for you: I am looking at the prospect of ordering a 2002 ES 300 to get it just the way I want. How long did you have to wait from the time you ordered the car to the time it came in?

    Thanks.
  • nofeernofeer Member Posts: 381
    What about using Jiffy Lube or other chains to do the oil change and check fluids, will it void the varranty, can you yourself reset the service reminder, can a toyota dealer reset this thing? maybe just buy some filters on line (air, oil etc) and give it to toyota or jiffy lube

    What are the chances that ls430 will get an AWD version like the MB e series and audi?
  • feverhartfeverhart Member Posts: 144
    Reset what service reminder?
  • rexprexp Member Posts: 3
    Sorry if this has been covered in prior posts.
    I can get some good deals on the 2001, does anyone know if there will be changes in the 2002 that are worth waiting for?
    Also, In my test drive I noted down shifting "too easily". Have others noticed this too?
    thanks
    Peter
  • pcbrspcbrs Member Posts: 57
    Hey guys-

    I finally traded in the 92 Legend for a 2001 Mystic Sea LS430 with light charcoal interior and Mark Levinson, last week. I really loved the Legend, but can appreciate the incredible engineering in the LS430. I think I'll need a bit more time with it to get more attached. =) The Legend was such a beauty though. I wanted to thank this board for all the helpful advice, especially to ljiflx and nealm1. Got a fair deal from my local Lexus dealer: around $3500 off MSRP.

    Also regarding wwest's post. Personally, I think they are fantastic. I've learned so much about the LS430 and cars in general through his detailed and thoughtful advice. I certainly hope he continues to put in the time and effort to really make this board useful. Wbwynn, I can see where you are coming from, but what do you consider to be "useful"? Let wwest enlighten us with his knowledge, and you can just ignore his posts and save yourself time. There are too many of us here who find his posts to be simply invaluable. Please keep them coming...

    Jeff
  • nealm1nealm1 Member Posts: 154
    Welcome to the group, Jeff! I hope you enjoy the car (and the ML) as much as the rest of us. And I am glad that you found the info on this board useful in the process.

    As for wwest, I too hope that he isn't discouraged from posting his observations, arcane as some might find them. I have learned a few things (and, frankly have skipped a few as well). So long as folks are respectful and intend to share at least "quasi-automotive" insights, I think we should be welcoming, or at least tolerant.

    Finally, for any jazz fans out there, I listened to a new CD in the car on the way home last night -- The Essential Mingus Big Band -- and the clarity, focus and imaging were spectacular, especially the reproduction of Mingus' bass. If this genre is up your musical alley, it is a must.

    How about recommendations from others: CDs that sound particularly awesome on the ML?
  • lateralglateralg Member Posts: 929
    "No, that wasn't "bait"."
    Good.

    "I can see why a Ph below 7.0 (acidic) would not be desireable. I cannot readily understand why being above 7.0 might be desireable, as recommended by the posted "link". "

    I think I know why, but want to confirm it with a person who knows. More to follow.
  • ljflxljflx Member Posts: 4,690
    I had a 93 black Legend LS and in 95 went with the LS400. I had both cars for an overlapping year until the Legend lease ran out (I had the Legend; my wife had the LS400) and great as the Legend was (and I too loved that car) it was far overmatched and outclassed by that LS400 whose luxury and performance is far surpassed by this LS430. So you'll get over the Legend real fast. Good luck with the car and like Nealm1 says enjoy the best car stereo system in the world and all the other LS430 luxury items many of which are second to none. This is one hell of a luxurious car. Oh yeah look out for the groan though I never have experienced it - it is the source of some noeworthy posts on this board and one poster found a technical solution.
  • bitkahunabitkahuna Member Posts: 206
    I know I've poked a bit of fun at your posts - but please don't think I don't want you posting! Your posts are fascinating.
  • ljflxljflx Member Posts: 4,690
    Any timetable on a discussion about Quantum Mechanics? It's going to play a hell of a role in the "true" next generation computers. That I find interesting. PH factors are rather dull. Just kidding.
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    When I figure out how that applies to our understanding of cars you'll be the first to know.

    Random info.

    I have been trying to buy an LS430 for some time now but want to "replicate" my beautiful 92 as closely as possible. Alas, can't get ivory interior with Black Cherry.

    I just discovered that in Canada the Vintage Merlot is available with ivory interior. AND I get an electrically heated windshield thrown into the deal.

    So its off to Vancouver soon to somehow establish "residence". Lexus doesn't allow their Canadian dealers to sell to US citizens.
  • ljflxljflx Member Posts: 4,690
    Before you do something that might have the Feds at your door - did you check to see if 2002 color combos are changing for the U.S.?
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    Yes, all colors/interiors carry over from last year with one new color, "platimum blue pearl", available only with Black or grey other than UL.

    Feds don't have any rules against this, local dealers are continully shopping in Canada to bring surplus cars into the US that are more desireable, saleable, here than in Canada. There was a literal flood of 99 911/996's.
  • dzhangodzhango Member Posts: 9
    It's good to see others who get a kick out of your posts. I certainly have. Mindless praise of this vehicle is as annoying as is mindless trashing of it.

    Speaking of insightful, whatever happened to Enigma?
  • allan441allan441 Member Posts: 15
    I have a 01 Lexus 430. I am interested in either upgrading the wheels, or having the ones that are on the automobile chromed. The wheel is 16", with a 16/7 tire. I've heard that is is very difficult to obtain aftermarket chrome wheels for a 16" rim, as the brake caliper on the front wheels is very large, and most wheels will not fit. Also the offset is 30mm, adding to the difficulty. Any suggestions as to where I can find new wheels (from someone who knows what they are doing), or where I can exchange a set of OEM chrome wheels for mine?
  • wwestwwest Member Posts: 10,706
    Tirerack/BBS/Bridgestone Turanzas, 17x8.

    My 2000 GS300 wheels.tires.
  • chevyman4chevyman4 Member Posts: 5
    Would appreciate any advice on value and expected cost of getting an extended warranty for my 1998 LS400. Bought the car new in late 1997, has 41000 miles on it, no problems so far. Is it best to get a warranty from Lexus or are others like Warranty Gold, cheaper and just as good?
  • bitkahunabitkahuna Member Posts: 206
    You should have no trouble finding 16" chrome wheels (don't get your stock ones chromed). Do you really want to stay with 16's? 17's or larger look so much better, IMHO.

    Anyway, even tirerack.com has 16" chrome wheel fitments for LS430. Also suggest you check the LS forum on clublexus... no doubt lots of info there.
  • nofeernofeer Member Posts: 381
    I have Nav, at 5000 miles, a message comes up at startup--service needed or something like that. so i had them set it to 7500 miles--my 1k, 5k serivices were no charge. i've got 8800 miles now so i will have to wait awhile for oil change but what about jiffy lube. we make a escape weekend out of going to our wonderful columbus lexus, and chill out at the cheesecake factory (outragious) at the easton mall
  • bitkahunabitkahuna Member Posts: 206
    An oil change at my local Jiffylube is just under $30. My Lexus dealer charges $37 I think. Since the dealer also washes and vacuum's my car and has a MUCH nicer waiting area - it's a no brainer where I go to get my oil changed.
  • lenscaplenscap Member Posts: 854
    The Lexus dealer where I bought my car (about five miles from my home) charges $39.95 for an oil change. And, I can never go after work because the service dept closes at 6P (too early for me).

    There is another Lexus dealer about 10 miles from my home that charges $27.95. That's where I go, and they are open until 11P.
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