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Acura RL



  • cericceric Posts: 1,092
    Wondering what 'hidden' might mean in this context . . .

    I guess it means, if G35c can unleash 270ft-lb of torque, by tuning the engine more aggressively (intake, ECU, etc.) you can gain another 10ft-lb. It is there, but, RL being a luxury sedan, has to make a trade-off. My take on that.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    I think Robertsmx is talking about the fact that Honda often underrates their engines in published specs. Many tuners have put stock cars on a dyno and found that either the transmissions are wonderfully efficient, or the car cranks out more power than Honda is letting on.
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    But with V6, you get "only" 252 lb.-ft. Correct? And don’t forget, the key to effect of torque is in the gearing as well! Acura seems to have given up some (highway) fuel economy to provide for added thrust. The engine isn’t shy in terms of horsepower either.
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    I have a feeling that magazine, either, didn’t consider the secondary axle ratio (1.238:1), or the JDM spec transmission won’t have it.

    Yep. As far as engine rating is concerned, the trade off usually includes emissions (the RL engine will be LEV-II/ULEV rated) and NVH considerations.
  • 260 pound feet of torque may be plenty. Probably is "adequate to ample."

    The key, I have learned over the years, is not how much toque you have OVERALL, but at what point in the RPM cycle you get it.

    My Audi A6 4.2 had 295 pound feet and my 2.7T had (258 or 280 depending on which version of the engine). The 2.7T torque came on full boil BELOW 2000 RPM's. While the 4.2 was more powerful in both HP and torque, the V6 was quicker to ultra legal speeds from a standing start -- the torque # is important, but also "when" is the torque available?

    The new RL does have, I have read, substantial amounts of the torque available at moderately low RPM's -- but it would be good to have OH, about 20 more, just in case.

    Picky picky -- I'm sure they'll tune it for more over the next 9 years, don't you think?
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    9 Years? Smiling at your tongue in cheek comment Mark.
  • Just wondering... I've read that Acura HAD designed a 'new RL' a couple of years ago - but decided against building it. [for one reason or another] I'd love to see what THAT car looked like. Anyone ever see that car?

    Craig!! :o)
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Honda did redesign the RL back around 2001 or 2002. They didn't like what the engineers/designers offered at that time. So they decided not to produce it. The car probably never made it to the sheetmetal stages. I'll wager it was a bunch of drawings and computer simulations. I read once that they canned the guy responsible for the project.

    I'm sure they could have produced a car in 2001 that was better than the 2004 we have now. It probably would have been something like an MDX with extra goodies and a much lower stance.

    The question kinda reminds me of Star Wars (what?). No, bear with me for a second. =) Lucas could have made the second trilogy a few years after filming Return of the Jedi back in the 80's. Instead, he waited until the technology was up to the job of doing it right.

    I think that is what Acura tried to do with the 2005 RL. Rather than present a luke-warm product on schedule they waited until they had the tools to do it right.
  • ksomanksoman Posts: 593
    nice comparison to the star wars thingie, except, that wait cost Lucas literally no loss of mind share. In case of RL, they lost huge mindshare!

    waiting for a first drive....
  • tlambtlamb Posts: 11
    I am trying to choose between the new 2005 Acura RL and the new 2005 Mercedes E320 CDI (Diesel). Any and all of your comments / opinions would be appreciated. I acknowledge that we are at somewhat of a disadvantage, or downright difficulty, due to the fact that neither one of these vehicles is readily available at present. Which point brings me to my second concern: I need to purchase by end of 2004 calendar year for tax purposes. Is your preferred model available / able to be delivered by that time (calling upon your observations as opposed to manufacturer hype)? Thanks for your insight and time.
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    Legendman, Checking over all the pictures in magazines, web sites, and even on the prototype glossy brochure from my dealer it is definately a raised molding but on the slver colored perpendicular side shot it could very easily look like the groove (Carve out) on the new TL. But if you follow the molding along the imaginary line to each bumper the extension of the molding becomes even more apparent in the wrap around design. I like the words on the brochure..."The Acura RL has been developed to soar above the current superlatives for dynamic performance, driving fullfillment, leading-edge electronics and safety design. By any measure a resounding success, this technological tour de force redefines the sporty luxury automobile.
  • proeproe Posts: 157
    2005 RL, period.

    There are quite a few articles talking about the new E320 CDI.

    With base price of $49,795, and the questionable quality, and diesel availability, I think it is a big no no.

    Anyway, it is your money:-)
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,681
    Possibility...if you do a European delivery I believe you pay for the new car before you bring it back; so the transaction could be registered on Dec 30th 2004, but you may not pick it up till spring 3-4 months later.

    This way if you have your heart set on the E320 CDI you could still get it and receive your tax break (unless the tax break is be based on when the car tag is registered).
  • I think that in order to claim the expense this year you would have to be able to demonstrate that you took delivery of the car AND that it was in service prior to Dec 31. "In service" being the key. Unless you can demonstrate that you had legit business in Europe and that you needed that car there, I think that that idea doesn't wash; moreover it's a glaring red flag to the IRS. Your accountant obviously can advise you.
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    tlamb, mixed reviews out there...this is the first Mercedes Deisel to be marketed in the USA since "99. Finding better quality deisel fuel can be a problem depending where you live....but the highway MPH for this car is close to 40...) Inclined to think that most in this forum will steer you away from Mercedes period.
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    I think the first question would be, what exactly are you looking for? And why E320 CDI, instead of regular E320?
  • I agree that the current RL which I drive has gotten long in the tooth. However, I am happy that they HMC waited to make sure that they got it right.

    Yes they lost RL sales but they more than made up for it with the TL and MDX.

    I have no disappointments about the 05. I will be getting my copy very soon.
  • The 2005 Acura RL was temporarily in the showroom of Westchester Acura in Larchmont (NY) over Labor Day weekend. There was a black one, and a white one with a few dealer added sport accessories. There were also four lined up in the lot, in assorted colors, but not the new ‘lakeshore silver metallic’ color that seems nice in press pictures.
    I saw the RLs by accident. I had dragged my wife across the county to check out the TL at a dealership other than our more local one. I like driving, she doesn’t. She refused to even come inside and was giving me the rush-sign from the minute I walked into the showroom. I have also been thinking about the RL for a while, but I have never had a ‘luxury car’ before. It’s a strange mental hurdle. I am sixty years old now and can afford it, but never quite outgrew that 1960s counter-culture perspective. We actually drive a 1990 Honda Accord EX, manual transmission. It’s time for a new car.
    I read the posts on this site and a few others. It’s quite addictive. My productivity at work has gone down quite a bit in the last few months. It’s late morning now and I am sitting at my desk hunt-and-pecking out this message... my first post.
    Anyway, the irony of my early checkout of the RL is that I wish it had been one of you guys. I probably would have learned more reading your observations here.

    That said, I'll just say a few first quick impressions, basically from my own view at this point in my (and regrettably my wife’s) “new-car-search” experience.
    -- The seats are wider, softer and more comfortable for me than the TL (or certainly the G35).
    -- I like the paddle shifters; they’re behind the steering wheel where your forefingers stay. I think I would use them more than a console shifter. I never liked the way my current (generation 3 ?) Accord handles in wet and snow. I make heavy use of manual shifting to gain more control. I like a stick… it’s fun, so does my wife, but after forty-years I may be ready for an automatic. All the new driver-assist stuff and AWD makes a manual transmission seem less critical. Plus, there’s the increased power now. As an aside, I think I would only consider a front-drive TL with a manual.
    -- The RL’s rear end seemed more high, stubby and bulging than in the pics I’ve seen. I don’t know how I feel about that, but it was the first thing that struck me.

    I could try to say more, but I don’t know if it’s worth reading and I do have to get back to work. There is a salesman at Westchester Acura who seemed to know a lot about the RL and had three days to check it out. I don’t know his name, he’s a medium-sized blond guy, about 30 yrs old. Oh also, I mentioned the RL buzz to the sales manager and he said he would rather I didn’t post anything on the internet that day about what he had there. He said he could get in trouble with ‘national’.
  • dc661dc661 Posts: 71
    Great info! Did the dealer have any pricing information?
  • cericceric Posts: 1,092
    Thank you, sir. I thoroughly enjoy your writing.
    What colors of RLs were there? Which color of RL do you like the most? I am biased toward darker RLs now.
  • l943973l943973 Posts: 197
    Acura has mentioned that it used the 5-Series as its target for the 2004 TL. What's strange to me is that at the same time, the 2005 RL's main competitors is also the BMW 5-Series. You would have though it would aim higher with its flagship model.
  • ksomanksoman Posts: 593
    everybody's flagship doesn't have to be the longest boat in town...

  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    True, the RL did lose some valuable street cred by languishing as it is. But I think that a second lackluster design would have crippled the nameplate just as much and for even longer. We'd be laughing about it's lack of competitiveness through 2008 rather than 2005.

    Timetobuy - Great first post. Welcome to the forum!
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    5-series spans a broad price range, from under $40K to over $60K. In terms of size, it is comparable to the TL, and RL is only slightly larger. In terms of pricing, well equipped, 530i would go directly against RL. This isn’t different from comparing 3-series to TL because they are priced similarly.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Yeah, I think comparing the TL with the 5 series is essentially a silly idea. The comparison in terms of size is accurate, but it gives the impression that the whole car is supposed to compete a notch higher than the reality of the market.

    As an advertising move, this does makes sense. But from an enthusiasts perspective, it's pretty silly.
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    The only thing that plays against TL in 5-series comparison might be the driving wheels. Throw in SH-AWD, and there you go.

    As I see it, Acura is using a two-pronged attack in mid-size $35-50K class with TL and RL, while BMW uses 5-series for $35-60K or so. TSX is more of a 3-series (at this point, 325i) competitor. But then, there is some overlap between 3-series and 5-series as well so when it comes to TL, both sides get compared.
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    Welcome aboard TimeToBuy, Me thinks the wife will give you much slack after the first drive...take her along...alone!
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    (Your post #1263 Dated June 14th) I mentioned before that when this forum opens up on this particular computer (An IMac) for some reason I'm in the middle reading old stuff but this one from the Legendman is quite good, and I just wanted to let it resurface for the new readers to enjoy. Many of us long time Japanese import owners feel the same way about the maintenance quality of our machines and this posting should be read by (tlamb) the gentleman who was comparing the RL to the Mercedes E320 CDI Deisel. Scroll back to this post and enjoy!!
  • I signed up on Acura's website requesting a RL brochure several weeks ago. Has anyone received one? Also, have there been any RL Introduction Gala's at any of the dealers yet?
  • I believe it is not exactly your iMac but your browser (Safari) that remembers what page you saw last on that computer. One little perk for the 'cognoscenti'.
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