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Acura RL



  • orkinporkinp Posts: 15
    Yes, I was thinking of going to another dealer, but why should I? It has been in 4x, which qualifies for the lemon law. They have replaced the unit at least 4x but still it goes black. I even have a service statement it has been 3x on the last one. I have now sent the info to the BBB. Next week, on to the attorney general's office for the lemon law. One point: since many cars are similar: Lexus vs. Acura, the dealer/company with the best service wins. Looks like I leased a loser.
  • satiresatire Posts: 71
    Thanks for the info. I asked this earlier but no one answered....what other cars are based on the RL platform? I'm assuming nothing Honda brings to America but surely it's not unique. I'd like to research the platform but don't know where to start. Any additional info that anyone can provide would be greatly appreciated.

    Best of luck resolving your problem. However, IMHO you're spending far too much time and effort. Simply find another service center. Acura of Santa Rosa screwed up the seat in my friend's '99 TL (which was mine before I got my RL in July). It was creaking and they knew about the factory bulletin. After the second try at fixing it, it was worse. He took it to Acura of Marin who also needed two visits to fix it. However, when he dropped it off the second time, the service manager said "you don't get this back until it's fixed". Took 'em four days (and they gave him a loaner) but it was fixed. "why should i" you ask? To get it fixed correctly. You didn't lease a loser, rather you have a service department that can't fix the problem. Find another one would be your best hope.

  • l943973l943973 Posts: 197
    The RL is not based off any other platform. Only the MDX, TL, CL and RSX share platforms with other Honda cars/minivans.

    The best place to find RL information is

  • jwilson1jwilson1 Posts: 956
    The RL is on its own platform, or at least that's my understanding. If you want to research it, however, it's called Legend overseas -- that may give you some leads to a site that will have other information.

  • hintzhintz FloridaPosts: 56
    My dealer has a 2002 RL(no Nav) what would be a good price? Of course they also have several 2003's. I like the quality of Acura and the fit and finish. Looking for a long term reliable car.
  • mrrogersmrrogers Posts: 391 has new 2002 RL's at $35,320 including freight in southern California. The $4,000 factory to dealer incentive expires on 1/02/03. Good luck!
  • hintzhintz FloridaPosts: 56
    Where did you find factory to dealer incentive its not listed here in edmunds under incentives? Thanks
  • mrrogersmrrogers Posts: 391
    Go into
    Click on Acura
    Click on RL
    Click on Go
    Enter zipcode 91311
    Click on continue
    Click on 2002 RL 4dr sedan 3.5
    Click on get our price
    Click on special pricing
    Your welcome
  • l943973l943973 Posts: 197
    This was in autoweek today:

    "Acura reportedly developing high-performance hybrid RL for U.S.

    Sources tell us that a high- performance hybrid Acura will arrive as the next RL sport-luxury sedan.
    The car’s 200-hp 3.0-liter V6 driving the front wheels gets a torquey 160-hp boost from an electric motor driving the rear wheels. Regenerative braking recharges the battery powering the electric motor.

    In concept form, as the 400-hp Acura DN-X sports sedan shown last spring in New York, and as the Honda Dualnote shown earlier in Tokyo, Honda officials claimed 42 mpg. Look for the hybrid RL by 2004. "

    I'm not surprised about the hybrid technology, but am surprised by the small engine displacement. The TL engine is already at 3.2L. It must be a mistake because the DualNote used a 3.5L engine. If its a 2004 model and they keep their current schedule, it should be out in Sept 2003.
  • diploiddiploid Posts: 2,286
    Hmmm...I'm surprised by the decrease in displacement too. However, 360hp is quite a bit of power, and I think the reduction in displacement was done to prevent torque steer while still giving decent performance.

    Now let's see if they increase the price because of the new technology...
  • "let's see if they increase the price because of the new technology..."
    Are you kidding me? Current RLs were going for mid 30s. If that hybrid thing works out, it's gonna blow away any competition. In one rollout, RL, which now stands as the most outdated car among its peers, will become two steps ahead of competition in technological advancement. What I read just blows the mind. Nothing like that was ever attempted on any serious realistic commercial contender, let alone a high performance luxury car.
    You have best of all words. Power? You got it - 360 total. Fuel economy? You got it due to rechargable electric component. Hey it is even an all wheel drive to boot if you think about it.
    I mean if that thing actually works and car will be as reliable as a typical Acura normally is, I see nothing Lexus or Benz or BWM have to match that. It just blows the mind away. Unfortunately, I expect this car to fetch upwards of 50 grands easy, and even though it will be worth every penny of it, I'll be priced out for sure.
  • diploiddiploid Posts: 2,286
    I think it depends on who the competition is. I've read several write ups that have compared the RL to the Lexus GS, and other write ups where it's compared to the Lexus LS and M-B E-Class...if the hybrid rumor proves to be true, it's going to be even harder to classify and narrow down the competition!

    I don't think it would cost 50 grand though. At most, Acura will probably increase the price to 45 grand.
  • jwilson1jwilson1 Posts: 956
    This makes real sense in terms of Honda's history of plowing new ground. And it avoids the very thing they were trying to avoid by refusing to add another V8 to the market. Instead they give a "green," economical luxury car. It won't compete with anyone (at present) but set an entirely new market, like the Echo in the economy car class. But with an electric boost as indicated, it won't be a performance car by any imagination.

    However: 1)it will have to be pricey with a new, light platform; 2) it won't be a performance car (for both engineering and marketing reasons); 3) it probably won't include me.

  • diploiddiploid Posts: 2,286
    I think you're seriously underestimating the potential that the additional 160hp (if autoweek is correct) can add to the new RL's performance.

    It obviously won't rival any turbocharged V-8 from Mercedes, but a combined 360hp should move the RL with aplomb while returning better mileage.
  • jwilson1jwilson1 Posts: 956
    I wasn't really thinking of the horsepower but of the way an electric motor is used in a support function. It's not as if they had a 200+hp engine then gave it a 165 boost -- this is a back up. And I agree that the power will be wonderful, but I'm pretty innocent in understanding how this will be able to turn into the sort of instant-delivery torque we think of a "performance."

    If you're right, and I'll be really interested in seeing what happens of course, I'll be willing to eat a large portion of crow. If you know something about this sort of power delivery that suggests I'm wrong, please post!

  • scott31scott31 Posts: 292
    My parents '99 RL is one month away from the end of its 4 yr warranty.

    they would like to get the extended warranty. The best price they have been given for a 7/75 is $1000.00

    If I remember from this forum, that seems a bit high. What prices did any of you pay?


    P.S. Can they get this from any Acura dealer in the country (meaning, can it be done all via phone, or does the dealer selling the policy need to see the car)?
  • l943973l943973 Posts: 197
    I have a 99 RL and the only thing that went out after the warranty was my rear view mirror dimming feature. It just didn't cover the entire area anymore.

    The best price I could get for a replacement was $435. (Doesn't include labor). If you have the dealer put it on, it will probably cost around $500.

    Other than the mirror, I haven't had any problems. I didn't get the extended warranty and I'm at 98k miles.
  • scott31scott31 Posts: 292
    They've got the Nav system, and both of them (as well as I) would feel more comfortable if everything were covered.
  • satiresatire Posts: 71
    Many thanks to I943973 and JW.

    Don't pay a penny over $35,500. As for the "fit and finish", check the paint carefully. Mine has an orange peel texture look to it on the hood with a rather noticable splotch. Acura will repaint but as they said, the car will never look the same again. It ain't that bad so I'm going to live with it.

    Hybrid RL?-
    If the story is true, it will once again prove Honda's devotion to being the leader in "green" cars. Something that Ford & Chevy say they can't do (snicker). But to address JW's concern about power from electric motors, you ever ride in a San Francisco electric bus? While no speed demon, those puppies have torgue that would pull a six story building off its foundation. Once that power hits the ground in a hybrid RL, the gas engine takes over and I'd say we've got a pretty damn good 0-60 time on our hands. That is if my assumption is correct that the electric motors get you going and then the gasoline engine takes over or supplements the electric end of things. Nevertheless, I don't see Honda selling a flagship automobile which would be state-of-the-art and not have it give surprising performance. Infinity is shaking up things right and left with the G35. Surely Acura/Honda will do likewise.

    Acura will sell you an extended warranty thru any dealer. My best friend got it on the TL I sold him for about $1,200. It adds three years and 50K in miles (there are other options available). Same terms & conditions as the original warranty with the exception of a $50 copay per visit. I'm no fan of warranties sold by third parties. No guarantee they will be there or allow you to use original Acura parts. As for seeing the car, I don't think the finance guy even got out of his chair during the purchase process. Is it cost effective? Only you will know when or if you need a repair at a future date.

  • satiresatire Posts: 71
    Sorry, forgot something. Read in Automobile or Motor Trend that OnStar's customer retention rate was no more than 10% after the first year on ALL OnStar models (first year is free). I'm almost five months in my RL and frankly, I don't see a reason to keep OnStar. I didn't buy their prepaid cellular phone deal (waaaaaaaaaaay too expensive) and I've never used any of OnStar's features. Now if that made the $400 plan go for something like $75 a year, I'd do it.

    Anyone have additional thoughts/comments?

  • scott31scott31 Posts: 292
    I think Onstar is wonderful (I have it in my '03 TL-S), but only at the Safety and Security Plan level ($16.99 a month). I fine the other plans to be too expensive. To me the $17 is a small price to pay for the comfort of knowing that if I have an accident someone will summon help for me, unlock my doors if I need to, sound my alarm if I can't remember where the #$%@# I parked, summon roadside assistance if I need it, etc.

    I do not like their calling minutes plans, I agree with you, they are WAY too expensive. But I do plan on buying 30 minutes that expire after 12 months for emergencies.

    Also, check with your insurance company. You might get a discount since Onstar is like LOJACK, but better. With lojack the cops have to have the lojack receiver, with Onstar, they will direct the cops to the car.
  • jmw4jmw4 Posts: 67
    I have a 2000 RL and paid $925 for 0 deductible 7/100 Acura warranty in the summer. The car has been great as expected and even if I don't need it mechanically, it keeps me in the loaner program for service and roadside assistance if ever needed. I have had no problems thus far but am about to replace the original Michelins with 27,500 on them as they seemed to have lost much traction as we head into winter.
  • To jmw4:

    Sounds like you got a good deal, but I'm curious as to how you got a $0 deductible. I thought all Acura warranties came with a $50 deductible.

    To scott 31:

    As you probably already know, you have to determine how long you plan to keep the car, and look at how much mileage you have now. My own Acura warranty experience was with my '95 Legend. I got a 7/100 plan with a $50 ded. and was glad I did. At the end of the 7 years, the car already had 95,000 miles on it, and I had repairs done totally just over $100,000. Keep in mind that between 75,000 & 100,000 miles, a lot more will tend to go wrong with a car. Plus it was a piece of mind guarantee that justified my holding on to the car that long.

    I found it didn't matter which dealer I called, and no one was interested in seeing the car. But I want to stress that you should hurry up, because I seem to recall being told that you have to sign up for the extended warranty by a certain time prior to the expiration of the factory warranty. I think it was something like 30-60 days, but I'm not sure. Good luck.
  • jmw4jmw4 Posts: 67
    They offered me a choice of either a $50 deductible or a 0. The difference was not much between them. They said most people opt for the 0 deductible.
  • If you got $100,000 worth of repairs through your warranty, I would say you got the deal of the century.
  • To jmw4:

    You indeed got a good price on your 2000 RL extended warranty. My dealer is quoting me $1545.00 for my 2000 RL with < 8500 miles. Which Acura dealership offered you this warranty? Assuming you purchased it from a Acura dealership...

    Can anyone confirm whether I can buy this warranty from any dealer around the country?
  • Yes, you can buy an "Acura" extended warranty from any Acura dealer from around the country and it will be honored by any other Acura dealer anywhere else in the country.

  • Well, recently traded my 70k 97 Premium RL for a 45k Lexus LS400. Did it without the ok of my wife. Costly mistake. First I took a bath on the trade. Second my wife wont speak to me and has been crying and p-ssed ever since (3 weeks). She never said so but she was in love with the RL. She hasn't driven the LS yet.

    I was going to buy a 2003 RL but the dealer said they didn't know when they would be in. Strike on the west coast or something.

    Had good service at the RL dealer. Transmission had a clunk from 1st to second. They put a rebuilt one under warenty. Screwed up my alignment doing so and erased the inside of my front tires in no time. They wouldn't do anything about that. Claim they didn't but I know they did.

    Things I didn't like about the RL. CD in the trunk, that albeit slight torque feel from the front wheel drive (has a better road feel than the LS though), front wheel drive and V-6 engine. Well that's about it.

    I hope my wife forgive me soon, I's tired of eating cold meals and sleeping outside.

    The RL was all we needed. It is a darn good car.

    Anyone hesitating about buying one - well don't. Dollar for dollar they are the best buy - bar none. I'm 68 now and I've had a few (cars) in my life. You won't be dissapointed in an RL. And, you wife will probably get attached to it. That's the best you can hope for anyway. Charlie
  • jmw4jmw4 Posts: 67
    Actually the quotes from two dealerships in Chicago's western suburbs were very similar. You can shop the warranty for price at any dealership.
  • I purchased a 1996 3.5 RL Premium on September 28, 2002. It's in great condition both inside and out. I also purchased AcuraCare which gives me 2 years or 24K miles. The car had 65,065 at purchase and now has 66,300. Only 1300 miles in 2 months.

    It has a $50.00 deductible. I have two small problems and I am wondering if these should be covreed under the original warranty and not cost me anything or if I would have to pay a $50.00 deductible for both problems.

    Yesterday the right rear window would not come back up after putting it down half way. I had used it before and there were no problems. I probably need a regulator or something like that. Should this be fixed for free or will they want me to pay a $50.00 deductible?

    The other problem is the molding on the left bottom side of the driver's seat where the seat controls are. The molding is not flush against the seat because a little white plastic piece that connects the plastic molding to the underside of the seat is broken off. I don't know if there is a replacement part for that white piece of plastic or the whole piece of molding has to be replaced. I noticed this a few days after purchase of the car. It's not that big a deal but since the car is perfect in almost every cosmetic way I want to get it fixed. Will they cover this because I've just purchased the car or will I have to pay another $50.00 deductible for this?

    Your info would be appreciated.

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