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Then ask to do a test drive, and I'm sure they'll honor the price quotes they gave you early on.
Another option - go to a 2nd dealership.
Buy now with the 0% or wait until the 2011's arrive and gamble on a better incentive and maybe lower prices?
There still seems to be a good inventory in my area. Good, but not great.
Just trying to see what everyone else thinks.
I also was thinking of waiting for the 2011's but I cannot see the pricing for a 2011 with 7 passenger and dual power doors (is that even an option since LE will only be 8 passenger) to be anywhere near what a 2010 would go for now. Why would they only make LE in eight passenger? My kids love their armrests!
Be honest with yourself - are you flexible about those?
What's more important to you, getting the best deal, or getting the best van?
2010 pros: best value, already a great van, bigger 8th seat.
2011 pros: mama-mia did you see that lounge chair? 6EAT. LE content.
I forsee paying more for a 2011, so if price is your guide, you probably should buy now while you can get close to color and options you want.
If that is their best price on the 2010 LE with EVP#2, I guess I am better off waiting for a 2011 and paying a few thousand more for a better looking design.
If you love it, you will feel a lot of remorse later if you buy a 2010 now.
By waiting your selection of 2010s will dwindle, but the deals may get better, and I doubt they will run out in your region right away.
If you purchase a 2011 during the year 2010 you will already be ahead financially on the resale value....not to mention the resale value of having a new design. The 2011 will most likely be safer, quiter, more comfortable, and I believe much better looking.
For me, I am going to be buying a 2011 Sienna XLE-AWD. Just waiting for them to hit the showrooms!
At least this is what he salesperson told me (and it makes sense). He said the 8-passenger before wasn't a popular option before because of the smaller resulting seats. So now you can just get the 8-passenger and just decide whether you want to leave the middle seat there or not... no sacrifice required.
This was the last thing I needed to hear to decide to wait for the 2011 (not many 2010 XLE's left in my area anyway).
Funny thing is, the salesman knew much less about the 2011 than I did after having spent a couple hours reading the Internet. He just kept saying "they haven't really told us much about them yet" but he thought they were coming in one week.....I'm always amazed that salesmen often dont know squat. I was in a Honda place last weekend looking at the Odyssey (which has been around for years) and the guy couldnt figure out how to pop out the center seat. Really? You've been selling this car for years and nobody has asked you to do that? Perhaps he was a brand new salesman, otherwise perhaps instead of taking a smoking break, he should just prod, pull and explore some of the cars he's selling....
I wish they would come out with the pricing with options already so I can see exactly how much more $$ it would be to wait for the 2011.
I think if I pay over 25k I'm a sucker. Does anyone have any advice on a price for this car?
Thanks
re: DVD and NAV - I believe those are always options on the lower trim cars ie you don't have to buy a Limited just to get DVD NAV.
We all KNOW its Feb for the 2011s - its plastered all over the Net. Cynically I could say that a salesman wants you to buy the car he has there TODAY and therefore doesnt want you to know that a NEW! model is coming in just weeks....but its probably just that they are clueless/uninformed/whatever. Even though I didn't let on, it was obvious that I knew much more about the 2011s than the guys at the dealership I was talking to, and that was after about 2-3 hours of surfing the net and reading a few reviews and forum posts.....
If I could find a dealer willing to sell to me at 23-24K, I would go with the 2010. But they are just not getting that low in my area right now.
We have an 05' 8 passenger and what you get currently is three seats that are not as wide as the 7 pax with Captains Chairs, but all three are comfortable.
The 2011's change that dramatically. They basically just 'Add' a 'Sliver of a Seat between the Captains chairs, think 8 Pax Honda Odyssey. The new middle seat is very, very narrow and won't take a child seat.
When we bought ours new in 05', we really wanted the Honda because at the time, the Odyssey had been out a while and the Toyota was more money for less equipment.
The Clincher for us, was the true 8 passenger of the current Gen Sienna's Seating vs. the 'Sliver seat in the Odyssey. Now that the '11 Sienna's are out, they too have switched to the 'Tiny thin seat design'..
I really want a new 11' SE as it looks great and handles really well, but with the new 8 Pax seat layout, I think we'll hold onto our very trouble-free 05'.
JM2C
Correct, but I will elaborate, if I may.
What they did was set both outer seats farther apart. The entire floor pan is totally different. The center console from the 7 pass model will not fit in the 8 pass model, and none of the seats are interchangeable, either.
That allowed for a 20" gap between the two seats, huge compared to the 7" or so that the Ody's mother-in-law chair gives. In the Ody you actually use the arm rests as a seat back when you sit in the middle, and all 3 are squeezed in.
In the Sienna, the seats are 22", 20", and 22" wide, left to right. All of those are wider than the office chair I'm sitting in now, so I'd call them adult-sized for sure.
In some videos I've seen on the 2011 Sienna, it looks like the mother-in-law seat is affixed to the driver's side chair, and a little wider than the Ody's, but nowhere near the 20" of the 2004-2009 middle seat. I'm guessing, but it appears to be about 10" wide.
Definitely closer to the Ody's than today's Sienna, I'm afraid.
That's a tough call, I really like the middle seat, we use it a LOT.
I think I'll take a flat every 10 years over run-flats.
Toyota Sienna Uncontrolled Acceleration
We are looking into Odyssey at the mean time...
Any thoughts?
The problem was rare even on affected models.
I'm not worried at all. If they eventually recall my Sienna to re-flash the ECU to cut the throttle when the bakes are applied, I'll take it in, sure.
DOT Complaints re: Sienna Vehicle Speed Control
Not until Toyota's announcement yesterday to suspend production on so many of its models because of sudden acceleration did I even consider it might be a problem with the Sienna. I got the idea to look there from another forum. After reading the complaints filed with the DOT I can't help but wonder why Sienna isn't included in the list.
If anything we have less to worry about - any real issues WILL have to be resolved, period.
I am NOT worried about the quality other than minor issues
I did read in the Wall St Journal something about Toyota will be introducing customer incentives for the cars that AREN'T in the recall in order to get people into dealers.....they did mention the Sienna among others.
I also am comfortable in buying a Sienna cause I'll bet they'll fix the problem - but just to be sure I am going to practice (and get my wife to practice) an emergency drill to quickly stamp on the brakes while turning off the key or moving to neutral.
One possible explanation presented so far has to do with condensation collecting somewhere within the system that might be causing the accelerator to stick and be slow to return, but that doesn't explain why the accelerator would go all of the way down and make the vehicle take off. The NHTSA complaints on file for the Sienna sudden acceleration events do not say anything about the pedal getting stuck under the floor mat or on the carpet. The vehicles just plain took off by themselves.
From the descriptions, it's almost as if something caused the cruise control to go into the "Resume and Then Some" mode. Could it be a computer glitch? Who knows?
There are scores of prognosticators out there with different theories, I'm sure. And when Toyota releases their official explanation, there will most likely be numerous detractors and naysayers who will question it.
But it isn't just Toyota. It is the company that is getting all of the press now, but I found instances of sudden acceleration complaints in the NHTSA database for the Chrysler minivan, as well. And I bet if I look at all of the various makes and models, I'll probably find lots more. I'm not going to, but I hope the NHTSA folks will.
The reality of it all is that out of thousands and thousands of vehicles made by all of the manufacturers, the problem seems to be occurring in a very small sampling. Yes, I know what they will ask: Who wants to be driving the next statistic in that small sampling?
I imagine Toyota engineers are working non-stop, 24 hours a day, trying to come up with the real cause and a real solution. One can only hope other manufactures are checking their vehicles, as well.
Thanks,
Jackie
The best 2011 LE V6 deal I have been offered is 28,974 (30,024 MSRP - includes dest and mats).
This is a cheap way to avoid future liability.
I agree about there being potential deals in the near future, too. I won't be in the market, which is a bummer. Take advantage, folks!
If anyone wants to give away their used Toyotas because they're afraid, I'll take it off your hands for free!
Edmunds has the invoice and MSRP pricing now. They do not list the floor mats as options, but my dealer is quoting 324 MSRP for them as an option.
MSRP: 28900 + 324 mats + 800 dest = 30,024
Invoice: 26,444 + 300 mats (est) + 800 dest = 27,544
Quote from 2 dealers: 28,974
I am still hoping for a "can't pass up" deal on a 2010 though.
Forum- Toyota Related...... Discussion- Toyota Sienna Uncontrolled Acceleration
Then we can get back on track to "Buying Experiences and Prices Paid" here.
The Runflat tire was a marketing ploy that only helped Automakers cheap out on the cost of engineering a proper spare tire storage location. And by going runflat they placed a very large running cost on the operator. Smart move on the Auto makers side increase your profit margins and push the cost of improper tire application onto the operator.
Run flats are only a good tire for vehicles that are not likely to travel long distances and run the risk of having a massive tire failure at high speeds resulting in an accident etc. A two seater sports car comes to mind as the type of application where a run flat would be appropriate.
That doesn't make sense...
Think about it - my Sienna does have a spare. So they did have the cost of engineering a spare tire location - AND the expensive of taking that out.
It's even worse than what you were saying.
So far I think someone said the Costco program was +700 over invoice. This is +1500. Obviously going to depend by region - I'm guessing in big metro areas (like the bay area) where there's huge number of dealers nearby it's going to be closer to +500 over invoice, and in smaller regions perhaps +1500.
I'm hoping for an XLE with the nav package (but not ent) for +500. If I get that deal, I think I will pull the trigger, though want to test drive first!
So anyway, I started doing a side-by-side of the 2011 XLE with the 2010 and it looks like the price has risen by about 2,000 for the similar features (I realize its not exactly apples-to-apples, but just sayin....)
I like how they keep throwing out that the "base price is actually lower" but sort of gloss over the fact that that is for a 4 cyl vs last year's 6 cyl
One other question - what is with the 2 inches less legroom in the 2011 seats vs 2010, when cargo room is actually a bit higher. Are the seats a little larger/plusher, or is there a measurement difference?