Hi. I just got a quote from my CA bay area dealer. The LE AWD with option #12 plus some accessories. He gave me $1300 off MSRP. Does it sounds reasonable?
I read the 'Confessions of a Car Salesman' that the host put up on one of the other posts. I did a deal recently, paid $200 below MSRP on an LE but got more than I expected on my trade-in (I was armed with 3 different trade values), plus there was no financing. Having read the article, after the fact, I now realized what game was being played. The sales guy and manager must have figured, correctly, that I was very sensitive to the trade in price so they gave on that, they had nothing to play with on financing, and only contributed a bit off on the MSRP. Other dealers were quoting MSRP so I believe I ended up with a good deal (actually was walking out on two occasions, first when they offered $2,000 less than what I tought the trade was worth, and again when they tried to get me for some coatings that were supposedly put on to save the paint and interior which I didnt want). Bottom line I got the van I wanted off the lot and have it to enjoy for the summer trips.
We picked up our red 2004 Le Sienna yesterday from Bennett Toyota,Allentown Pa. We ordered it on 4/10/03. It has #8 package and Z1 -MSRP $28589,we paid $25832 and $27555 Total(including tax,tag and all other fees).I would recommend this dealer.There was no pressure or games. I saw negative postings on Bennett and people shying away. I had no problems with the exception of follow up- I always had to call to find status of van.
Not sure what state you are in but I would be doubtful that they can get you that van in 3 - 4 weeks. I am in Colo. and put my deposit down 7 weeks ago. They did the searching other dealers/states for a while too but now we are going the allocation route. Although at times I have been frustrated I do feel that my dealer has done what he can and has been honest with me. The only people I personally know of that have been able to get an AWD van that fast are those willing to get the LE instead of the XLE or Limited. The Limited's without the AWD seem hard to come by as well. Good Luck though & I hope it works out for you....
After reading all the previous messages, I know I made a mistake in ordering a 2004 Sienna XLE. I am used to a lot of wheeling and dealing on car purchases. This is the first time I've wanted a car that was both in demand and had to be ordered. Both of our area dealers quoted the same price, so I chose my preferred dealer. Thinking we had nothing to loose, we put down a $500 deposit to order the van(to be built 7/7). The sales person filled out a purchase agreement with only the total car cost (including tags& title fees and processing fee). I kept demanding more detailed breakdown, and he said that was handled later when the car arrived. Besides if we didn't want the car we could get our deposit back, it would sell quickly.
I normally consider myself a savvy shopper, and realize that this is on of the most stupid things I've ever done. Is there anything I can do to improve the situation to my benefit?
Internet Quote and sales-lady called Next Day and she even mentioned to locate a car for me while I am waiting for order , Should I decide to Place an Order. I did not place an Order because they are about 200 miles from my home & I want to Test-Drive my van before Delivery because 2-3 people have reported severe Transmission Problems. Infact, 1 had problems in 24 hours and finally got full transmission replaced. (Go to 2004 problems posts.) Since I currently have 4 vehicles with same problem and I do not want to become next victim of premature transmission failure because it is a harrassment convincing dealers who won't Acknowledge & from my experience they cannot even fix it because I believe most Transmission & Engine problems are Design and Build Problems. Apart from good price, I prefer dealer to be not too far, should I encounter other problems because You have a better chance of getting Better Service from the dealer you Bought-From.
But I am happy that atleast "Bennett Toyota in Allentown PA" has some competition whose price is $850 (approximate 3.5% over Invoice) Plus some Attitude. For e.g. they have not called or got back to my request yet in a month which tells me what to expect after order and delivery.
Some of these posts are starting to get misleading. No one should state a set dealer fee and say that is what the dealers percentage over invoice is for all Sienna's. Doing this is only valid if we are all buying the same model with the same options.
Since $850 over invoice seems like a popular number, I will use that figure as in example. $850 over invoice on a CE with few options is going to be a higher percentage then an loaded XLE. Straight price over invoice benefits those buying the higher end Sienna's. Granted the dealership will make up money on other things. But a set markup over invoice is relative to what you are buying.
after hearing about premature Transmission Failures , now we are in dilemma already I canceled my order , delear returned me , my $500 Deposit , may be it's better to wait for some more months and let's see Nissan Quest also.
after reading posted messages , It Implies that Toyota Just concentrated on Body design to attract the buyers not on the Engine Quality , pickup , etc
Assuming the readers of this discussion have shopped or are actively shopping for 2004 Siennas, I wonder if you can help with a question about relative availability. I have read about how long it often takes to 'order' a Sienna with a specific trim and option package. However, does anyone know if they are making a lot of specific types that are more readily available than others? For example, they might be making a lot of CE option package 3s and you can get them pretty quickly, but you have to order a LE package 11, which are rarer and take longer to get etc. etc. (speaking hypothetically). We are primarily interested in CEs and LEs. Thanks in advance.
25,832 cost of vehicle 59 Dealer handling 1553 %6 sales tax 65 Doc fee 40 License plates 27,545 total cost
I live in NJ and drove 89 miles to get the deal. My local dealers wanted MSRP.I went to one that ADVERTISES - "WILL NOT BE UNDERSOLD" They told me to get lost and buy it there. I did and it sitting in my garage. The kids love the entertainment system!
I just visited one local Toyota dealer in the Canton area. Test drove a Sienna LE (the demo; they only had one in stock)
The salesperson then got the production schedule and priced out a Sienna LE with Option Package #5 and carpeted floor mats for $26,936 (MSRP). OTD price came to $28,423.02.
He wouldn't even photocopy the quote but scribbled everything down on a piece of paper.
Is this what I can expect from other Toyota dealers in this area? If so, the hell with the Sienna!
#1527 of 1527 NE Ohio Blues! you got very High price Quote , please Try to get quotes from other delears please verify your price with other delears
when ever we visit the Toyota Delears they will write the Prices on a scratch pad and then shows us a MSRP price list, and some how Forces us to sign the Invoice . Is this right thing we dont have to think again before investing such a big amount.When i visited a Toyota Delear the sales person forced me to sign the Invoice, I told them i dont have my checkbook i will come back, then he force me to pay at least 500 on my Credit Card, then i told i dont have that much balance on my credit card then the guy went into his boss Room and came out after 5 minutes and told me Just sign the Invoice , we will place the Order for you you can pay your deposit at any Time.then i told i need some time beofre signing the Invoice , then he told me have a good day
Bennett Toyota is/was offering the $850 over invoice.
When we went there to see if the post was true, my husband specifically asked what was the price of the van. The sales lady insisted that he had to tell her what kind of van he wanted, Ce, Le, XLE, etc.. After we told her Le-7 with package #8, they looked it up and wrote it on the "contract". They showed us in their books what the invoice was at the same time. She mentioned that it is possible that the van might come in with some extra packages, such as Z1, and that might increase the the price by about $100 or so. She said we had the option to wait for another van or we could pay cost for the "extras" jmjbrt posts the same van from this same dealer for about $622 less than what I have written on my invoice. We might bring this up when we go in to pick ours up, but I am not going to pull my hair out if they give us some lame excuse, as long as they keep their word with what we had. Maybe he had a different deal. I will be calling this week to follow up on the status since it was to be built 6-2
They can only play games as long as you let them. Use these boards and edmunds to figure out what you will pay and write it down detailed on a piece of paper. When you are at the dealer, if they can't match your price, walk out! They will probably make their best offer at that time. If you are not close on price don't waste to much time on them. I am currently waiting for an XLE LTD from Bennet. There deal was 2 1/2 % over invoice. I am very happy to see some of the above posts. I am not surprised that they will not call people back, because I am sure they have a lot of people waiting for vans. Especially LE's and XLE's.
Hi, I am new to this site (been reading but not writing). I have been looking at the Siennas since day one but just have not committed yet. One of my concerns was the crash test. I got a call this weekend from a dealer who informed me that CNN had a report on the 04 Sienna crash test and it was outstanding. I have searched the internet & watched way to much CNN but have not seen or heard anything else. Since I don't have any warm and fuzzy feelings about the salesperson, I was wondering if anyone else has heard anything? Is something supposed to be out soon?
Also, any recommendations on dealerships in the Western Penn, WV, VA area as my region does not offer option #7 on the LE. Thanks!
Do you know when Toyota will introduce the CE with pkg 3 in New Jersey? Dealer are telling me they don't have it and they don't know when they will get it in.
Thanks to everyone for posting their experiences and stories, especially the person (can't remember who it was) who bought from Wondries Toyota in Alhambra, CA. I e-mailed about 10 different dealers, including Longo Toyota who's usually pretty competitive and even going as far away as I-10 Toyota in Indio (near Palm Springs).
I was looking for an LE with either pkg#4 or Pkg #6, because of the side-curtain airbags. Not many dealers had anything in stock but most would tell me what they had coming in the next couple of weeks and see if we could put a deal together on one of these.
Most of the dealers quoted MSRP only. Longo quoted $200 off MSRP and they did have a couple in stock. From the start, the guy at Wondries quoted me invoice +3.5% + $350, no add-ons or other fees except $45 doc fee which is pretty standard across most makes in So. Calif. After a couple of phone calls, on 5/26 we talked thru the vans he had coming in or being built. He had one that met my needs, a Desert Sand Metallic LE with Pkg #6 that was scheduled to be built on 5/28 and delivered between 6/6 and 6/10. He "put my name on it" and then we spoke again on 5/30 when he had a VIN# to go with it. He then gave me his price: $26,300 plus taxes & license.
I went into the dealership on Friday 6/6 to sign the papers. It wasn't there yet but he told me it was confirmed as "in transit" and expected it to arrive any time that weekend. Turns out that when I got home that evening, there was a message from him saying it had arrived about 1 hour after I left the dealership that afternoon!
I then picked up my van last night and drove it home- great van so far and a pretty good and pleasurable deal. Final details:
Desert Sand LE-7 passenger, with Pkg #6- Side airbags, alloy wheels, 10 spkr JBL Stereo.
MSRP- 27,611 My price: $26,300 + TTL Out the Door: $28,333 (includes 1st year registration, doc fees, 7.75% sales tax).
If anyone else is willing to wait a couple of weeks to get their Sienna and wants to pay less than MSRP, I would highly recommend Wondries. Good Luck!
16 weeks based on information from Senior officer at Regional Office. But I still am not confident because Tractional-control, Side Airbags, VSC etc., are different options than DVD, Alarm etc. which can be put at either dealership or Port Fty. but the above can only be put perfectly at factory where whole vehicle is Assembled.
I also learned Toyota is Re-Printing catalogs and will modify websites by offering more Models.
As per sales-lady at Neviaser Toyota in Easton,MD Toyota will not be offering CE PKG.3 for long time. (my guess it means 3-6 months.) I have not seen New Brochures but I see changes on website and still don't see any info. in my area and my guess is that Probably same is true Nation-wide. I think Toyota has made a Big mistake by offering too many pkg. Options to keep their Port Fty. busy. It ultimately has given advantage to Dealers on Price because it is almost impossible to find same van with same package. Regardless of price, Dealers have & had vehicles on their lots to sell but NOT in the package most of us want. Most us will compromise on color, but most like stick to the OPTION PKG. we want.
I was kind of agreed with you about Toyota is making a mistake by offering too many packages and options on Sienna, especially during this early production stage with only one factory plant which also shares with the Sequoia. In addition to the CE, LE, XLE and XLE Limited models, the 8-seater is also being offered on CE and LE. And they are also offering AWD version on LE and XLE. Furthermore, each trim offers more than two packages, like LE package #1 and #7. About the website, I think they have been removed the CE 8-seater and LE 8-seater from Build my car feature.
After the recommendation of blandfordm and dparler, we contacted the same sales person at Pitts Toyota looking for a fair deal on an XLE. We were extremely disappointed in the Atlanta area dealers' arrogance and could not bring ourselves to give any of them our money. On the contrary, the experience with Pitts was very positive and dealing with this sales person was quite refreshing.
Our price paid was 30768 (before sales tax, tags and title fees)for an XLE with moon roof, leather, and mats. The salesman agreed to remove the order for Toyo Guard originally set up to go on our car and did not try to add on any useless(to us) extras such as an ashtray or mud flaps.
We agreed on a price via fax and phone and made it contingent upon an acceptable offer on the trade-in of our 2000 Sienna just off lease. I drove 150 miles to the dealership to let them look at our trade. They did not try to make up some of the discount on the new car by lowballing us on the trade once they had me in the showroom. (which is something we were prepared for and sort of expecting) As blandfordm said, there were no gimmicks or tricks throughout the process.
When the car came in, to save us from having to drive the 150 miles again to the showroom to pick up the car, the sales person met us at the halfway point and we signed all the papers that evening. That is an example of someone who gives great customer service. He did not have to do that as he already had booked the sale, but he did it to help us.
The car is fantastic! I loved my 2000 XLE but I can say that the ride is even smoother in the 2004! We took a trip to the beach after delivery (800 miles RT) and not a bit of trouble. The fold flat seats work great, the turning radius is wonderful and the power liftgate is very convenient.
Thanks also to edmunds for this forum, dparler, and especially to blandfordm for doing the homework for all of us in GA! Feel free to e-mail me if you need any additional information on the car or Pitts.
I ordered in the beginning of April and waited 6 weeks. The dealer told me today that the wait is now 3-4 months. (Longer if you want red.)
He also said a lot of dealers are now going over MSRP and getting it. His dealer is not. They are selling at MSRP. (I got about 500 off MSRP when I got mine from them - but also got extra 1,000 for my trade-in).
Question for prodogs -- Have you negotiated the price of your Sienna yet? The dealer I went to quoted me the full MSRP for the XLE Limited AWD with all of the options ($41,016).
I have been shopping Sienna for some time. And I found that the Invoice price on Carsdirect.com and Edmunds.com/carpoint.msn.com are significantly different. When dealer offer something like $1500 over invoice, what kind of Invoice are they talking about?
I remember there was some discussion about this before, but I could not find it.
Email me and I'll send you what a true invoice from Toyota looks like.
Edmunds.com invoice doesn't take TDA and a couple other fees into account. Carsdirect.com will give you a closer representation of what a true invoice is for Toyota.
Also note that the invoice price is often not the net price paid by the dealer to the manufacturer, due to holdbacks and other "spiffs" the dealer gets. So even a "true" invoice isn't.
If you are actively shopping, don't get so hung up over the various fees and such as the "out-the-door" price. The TMV will tell you what people are actually paying in your area, and with a little negotiation, you can beat that (well, maybe not for a while with the new Sienna).
We picked up our Sienna this evening. As I expected just prior to signing the contract we were treated to the usual sales pitchs on all the different protection plans that are available. One plan that seemed to make some sense was what appeared to be an insurance type plan offered by Fidelity Warranty Services. Their Platinum Plan covers just about everything on the vehicle (except things like brake linings, tires, etc). The plan covers the period after the Toyota warranty for up to 6 years or 100,000 miles. The plan costs about $1500 AND if you dont file a claim against the plan during the five year period you are refunded the $1500. Anyone know about this plan?
Thanks for your answer. Now I understand invoice dealers refer are the ones on carsdirect.com. I was offered at $1500 above dealer invoice for a FWD LTD. Does this sound OK? If I opt for XLE, then the price will be $500 over. Is it true that it is hard to get LTD?
All right, I went and picked up my XLE last night. The Internet Sales Manager at Mike Calvert Toyota provided a pleasurable experience. I was extremely nervous at first, I thought he was going to pull some tricks, but everything went smooth. Here's the breakdown:
'04 Sienna XLE Desert Sand Pkg #12 Runnings Boards Rear Mudguard Carpet Mat Set w/ Doorsill Protector
$33,583 = MSRP $30,126 = Dealer Invoice $31126 = $1000+ Dealer Invoice $1,407.75 = Tx Sales Tax (6.25%) - Tradein of $9k $78 = Dealer Inventory Tax $114 = Title, License, Inspection Fees $55 = Doc Fee $32,756 = Out the door Total
Actually, the out the door total does not include the $599 for 6 yr/100k mi extended warranty and the $399 for LoJack that I caved in on, I figured it was cheap peace of mind.
Anybody out there get better numbers for the extended warranty and LoJack?
cyeung65 & hislander, did you guys get better deals in Houston area?
Anyways, I'm very satisfied with my first Toyota, I got to experience the smooth ride in the 200 mile trip to get this puppy!
machinemata - I bought an Avalon from Mike Calvert 1 1/2 years ago - paid invoice for the car and $400 for the LoJack and $625 for the Toyota 75k warranty. Congrats, you did a good job. MCT is kind of high pressure on those addons but there is actually some value to that stuff. They didnt push the expensive wax job or charge for the pinstripes & mud guards like other dealers. I have not dropped by yet but will soon. I was at Don McGill on I-10 and the best they could do for a XLE LTD with nav and dvd was $1500 off sticker, ie $2500 over invoice. Who was the MCT internet salesman? Email me if you prefer not to publicly disclose his name, thanks!
Congratulations for a good deal. I have not purchased the van but still working on it. I am looking at a LE7 plus option#2. I am afraid I may not get invoice +1K because there is no trade and lower end vehicle. Still I have hard time to compare Toyota LE7 with Ody EX because I can easily purchase the Ody EX for 24.3K which is at least 2.5K less than the comparible Toy van not including at least $500 for the TDA. Did you pay the TDA separately or it has been included in the invoice. ANyway, thanks for asking.
hislander, in my deal, the TDA was included within the $1000 over invoice. If my deal had fallen through, I also was going to go with the Ody. You can't lose either way, they are both great vans! Happy hunting...
cyeung65, Check your email, I've just emailed you the internet sales guy name. laters...
I have contacted Toyota Durham and was quoted the MSRP price. I did not get into negotiation with the rep. Nor did I try any other dealers in RTP area yet. Interested to know if anyone has any luck getting a good price here.
machinemata, Could you please email me the sales person's name? I have made my email public in my profile. We probably stay within a few miles in RR. I will honk when I spot your Sienna:-) Sikhanda
I live in Phoenix AZ. I wanted the "stripped" CE, which to me seems loaded (all the power stuff, dual AC, CD).
I went to "Right Toyota" and got the usual high pressure show, was offered about 24.5k.
I got internet quote through Edmunds, glad I did. Got email from Camelback Toyota, very business like and to the point - would sell me same vehicle for about 23.5k. To this was added tax (8.1%) title (about 450, high in AZ!) and 290 "doc fees". Bottom line was about 26.1 out the door.
I was very impressed, every quick and easy, very professional fleet dept and Camelback Toyota. About 100 times better than those clowns at Right Toyota.
One tip: if you get quote thru internet be specific what you want, don't just say "I want a Sienna". Tell exactly what you want, model options color etc.
Just read your pro, this is weird: I live in Houston, you bought a Sienna in Houston. You live in RR, my sister lives in RR. You have a 98 Intrigue, my sister has a 99 Intrigue. Your dream car is a Corvette, I own a Corvette. You bought a Sienna, I will buy one too.
I guess our families have similar taste in cars!!
Thanks for the info. I plan to make a deal this weekend.
Picked up ours from Bennett yesterday. We are thrilled. The kids have never been so good on a long trip. They were watching the RES the whole time. I actually felt kinda guilty enjoying my surround sound nice and loud, while they had the headphones on. Bennett was a wonderful experience. No surprised with the numbers, they even matched the finace rate I got from People First. Saves me the hassle of sending them a check to switch the loan out. I recommend them completly. I only wish Toyota would send them more vans so they could have a chance to play with the way the seats work(moving them from one position in the middle row) Great van to take on trips and I can see it will be great to truck the kids around town. Thank you Edmunds, and everyone who posts.
XLE AWD Option package 17,(leather 2nd and 3rd row shades, heated front seats, 3row side airbags) CF floor mats ASC Aftermarket Moon Roof( Factory Moon Roof Not available XLE AWD) College grad (-400) MSRP 35041 +1200 Moonroof Tot 36241
We just purchased at Artic Frost XLE with from the local hwy 70 Toyota dealership. They were really nice to work with and I got about the best deal I could get around here. They gave me 1000 off MSRP. This was not without some pushing by me. I basically played the interned game on them and got the dealer in Greensboro bidding against the one from Raleigh. My intention was always to get it from them. But if the Raleigh dealer would not budge, I would have gone to Greensboro. Ahhh The power of the internet.
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I just got a quote from my CA bay area dealer. The LE AWD with option #12 plus some accessories. He gave me $1300 off MSRP. Does it sounds reasonable?
Thanks
I normally consider myself a savvy shopper, and realize that this is on of the most stupid things I've ever done. Is there anything I can do to improve the situation to my benefit?
what ever the price you mentioned is it Really TRUE (unbelievable)
can you split the Price Item by Item like how much tax you paid, tag / title / registration fee
Thanking you in advance
I did not place an Order because they are about 200 miles from my home & I want to Test-Drive my van before Delivery because 2-3 people have reported severe Transmission Problems. Infact, 1 had problems in 24 hours and finally got full transmission replaced. (Go to 2004 problems posts.)
Since I currently have 4 vehicles with same problem and I do not want to become next victim of premature transmission failure because
it is a harrassment convincing dealers who won't Acknowledge & from my experience they cannot even fix it because I believe most
Transmission & Engine problems are Design and Build Problems.
Apart from good price, I prefer dealer to be not too far, should I encounter other problems because You have a better chance of getting
Better Service from the dealer you Bought-From.
But I am happy that atleast "Bennett Toyota in Allentown PA" has some competition whose price is $850 (approximate 3.5% over Invoice) Plus some Attitude.
For e.g. they have not called or got back to my request yet in a month which tells me what to expect after order and delivery.
Since $850 over invoice seems like a popular number, I will use that figure as in example. $850 over invoice on a CE with few options is going to be a higher percentage then an loaded XLE. Straight price over invoice benefits those buying the higher end Sienna's. Granted the dealership will make up money on other things. But a set markup over invoice is relative to what you are buying.
My 2 cents!!!
after reading posted messages , It Implies that Toyota Just concentrated on Body design to attract the buyers not on the Engine Quality , pickup , etc
25,832 cost of vehicle
59 Dealer handling
1553 %6 sales tax
65 Doc fee
40 License plates
27,545 total cost
I live in NJ and drove 89 miles to get the deal. My local dealers wanted MSRP.I went to one that ADVERTISES - "WILL NOT BE UNDERSOLD" They told me to get lost and buy it there. I did and it sitting in my garage. The kids love the entertainment system!
The salesperson then got the production schedule and priced out a Sienna LE with Option Package #5 and carpeted floor mats for $26,936 (MSRP). OTD price came to $28,423.02.
He wouldn't even photocopy the quote but scribbled everything down on a piece of paper.
Is this what I can expect from other Toyota dealers in this area? If so, the hell with the Sienna!
when ever we visit the Toyota Delears they will write the Prices on a scratch pad and then shows us a MSRP price list, and some how Forces us to sign the Invoice .
Is this right thing we dont have to think again before investing such a big amount.When i visited a Toyota Delear the sales person forced me to sign the Invoice, I told them i dont have my checkbook i will come back, then he force me to pay at least 500 on my Credit Card, then i told i dont have that much balance on my credit card
then the guy went into his boss Room and came out after 5 minutes
and told me Just sign the Invoice , we will place the Order for you you can pay your deposit at any Time.then i told i need some time beofre signing the Invoice , then he told me have a good day
so becareful with toyota Delears
When we went there to see if the post was true, my husband specifically asked what was the price of the van. The sales lady insisted that he had to tell her what kind of van he wanted,
Ce, Le, XLE, etc..
After we told her Le-7 with package #8, they looked it up and wrote it on the "contract". They showed us in their books what the invoice was at the same time. She mentioned that it is possible that the van might come in with some extra packages, such as Z1, and that might increase the the price by about $100 or so. She said we had the option to wait for another van or we could pay cost for the "extras"
jmjbrt posts the same van from this same dealer for about $622 less than what I have written on my invoice. We might bring this up when we go in to pick ours up, but I am not going to pull my hair out if they give us some lame excuse, as long as they keep their word with what we had. Maybe he had a different deal.
I will be calling this week to follow up on the status since it was to be built 6-2
Transaction Price $19,557 to $19,676
Sticker Price : $21,075
Cost of Production : $ 12,000 (includes labor , material ,etc)
Gross Margin for Manufacturer : $ 7,557
Now we can think about Toyota's Gross Margin
I am currently waiting for an XLE LTD from Bennet. There deal was 2 1/2 % over invoice. I am very happy to see some of the above posts. I am not surprised that they will not call people back, because I am sure they have a lot of people waiting for vans. Especially LE's and XLE's.
Also, any recommendations on dealerships in the Western Penn, WV, VA area as my region does not offer option #7 on the LE. Thanks!
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Thanks to everyone for posting their experiences and stories, especially the person (can't remember who it was) who bought from Wondries Toyota in Alhambra, CA. I e-mailed about 10 different dealers, including Longo Toyota who's usually pretty competitive and even going as far away as I-10 Toyota in Indio (near Palm Springs).
I was looking for an LE with either pkg#4 or Pkg #6, because of the side-curtain airbags. Not many dealers had anything in stock but most would tell me what they had coming in the next couple of weeks and see if we could put a deal together on one of these.
Most of the dealers quoted MSRP only. Longo quoted $200 off MSRP and they did have a couple in stock. From the start, the guy at Wondries quoted me invoice +3.5% + $350, no add-ons or other fees except $45 doc fee which is pretty standard across most makes in So. Calif. After a couple of phone calls, on 5/26 we talked thru the vans he had coming in or being built. He had one that met my needs, a Desert Sand Metallic LE with Pkg #6 that was scheduled to be built on 5/28 and delivered between 6/6 and 6/10. He "put my name on it" and then we spoke again on 5/30 when he had a VIN# to go with it. He then gave me his price: $26,300 plus taxes & license.
I went into the dealership on Friday 6/6 to sign the papers. It wasn't there yet but he told me it was confirmed as "in transit" and expected it to arrive any time that weekend. Turns out that when I got home that evening, there was a message from him saying it had arrived about 1 hour after I left the dealership that afternoon!
I then picked up my van last night and drove it home- great van so far and a pretty good and pleasurable deal. Final details:
Desert Sand LE-7 passenger, with Pkg #6- Side airbags, alloy wheels, 10 spkr JBL Stereo.
MSRP- 27,611
My price: $26,300 + TTL
Out the Door: $28,333 (includes 1st year registration, doc fees, 7.75% sales tax).
If anyone else is willing to wait a couple of weeks to get their Sienna and wants to pay less than MSRP, I would highly recommend Wondries. Good Luck!
but the above can only be put perfectly at factory where whole vehicle is Assembled.
I also learned Toyota is Re-Printing catalogs and will modify websites by offering more Models.
As per sales-lady at Neviaser Toyota in Easton,MD Toyota will not be offering CE PKG.3 for long time. (my guess it means 3-6 months.)
I have not seen New Brochures but I see changes on website and still don't see any info. in my area and my guess is that Probably same is true Nation-wide.
I think Toyota has made a Big mistake by offering too many pkg. Options to keep their Port Fty. busy. It ultimately has given advantage to Dealers on Price because it is almost impossible to find same van with same package.
Regardless of price, Dealers have & had vehicles on their lots to sell but NOT in the package most of us want.
Most us will compromise on color, but most like stick to the OPTION PKG. we want.
About the website, I think they have been removed the CE 8-seater and LE 8-seater from Build my car feature.
Our price paid was 30768 (before sales tax, tags and title fees)for an XLE with moon roof, leather, and mats. The salesman agreed to remove the order for Toyo Guard originally set up to go on our car and did not try to add on any useless(to us) extras such as an ashtray or mud flaps.
We agreed on a price via fax and phone and made it contingent upon an acceptable offer on the trade-in of our 2000 Sienna just off lease. I drove 150 miles to the dealership to let them look at our trade. They did not try to make up some of the discount on the new car by lowballing us on the trade once they had me in the showroom. (which is something we were prepared for and sort of expecting) As blandfordm said, there were no gimmicks or tricks throughout the process.
When the car came in, to save us from having to drive the 150 miles again to the showroom to pick up the car, the sales person met us at the halfway point and we signed all the papers that evening. That is an example of someone who gives great customer service. He did not have to do that as he already had booked the sale, but he did it to help us.
The car is fantastic! I loved my 2000 XLE but I can say that the ride is even smoother in the 2004! We took a trip to the beach after delivery (800 miles RT) and not a bit of trouble. The fold flat seats work great, the turning radius is wonderful and the power liftgate is very convenient.
Thanks also to edmunds for this forum, dparler, and especially to blandfordm for doing the homework for all of us in GA! Feel free to e-mail me if you need any additional information on the car or Pitts.
He also said a lot of dealers are now going over MSRP and getting it. His dealer is not. They are selling at MSRP. (I got about 500 off MSRP when I got mine from them - but also got extra 1,000 for my trade-in).
I have been shopping Sienna for some time. And I found that the Invoice price on Carsdirect.com and Edmunds.com/carpoint.msn.com are significantly different. When dealer offer something like $1500 over invoice, what kind of Invoice are they talking about?
I remember there was some discussion about this before, but I could not find it.
Thanks.
Edmunds.com invoice doesn't take TDA and a couple other fees into account. Carsdirect.com will give you a closer representation of what a true invoice is for Toyota.
If you are actively shopping, don't get so hung up over the various fees and such as the "out-the-door" price. The TMV will tell you what people are actually paying in your area, and with a little negotiation, you can beat that (well, maybe not for a while with the new Sienna).
Here's another take on invoices.
Good luck!
Steve, Host
Thanks for your answer. Now I understand invoice dealers refer are the ones on carsdirect.com. I was offered at $1500 above dealer invoice for a FWD LTD. Does this sound OK? If I opt for XLE, then the price will be $500 over. Is it true that it is hard to get LTD?
Thanks again for your help.
Best regards.
Article states Tampa as mkt with lowest price--$25415 and Oklahoma with the highest--$28717 (small sample size used for OK pricing).
I went and picked up my XLE last night. The Internet Sales Manager at Mike Calvert Toyota provided a pleasurable experience. I was extremely nervous at first, I thought he was going to pull some tricks, but everything went smooth. Here's the breakdown:
'04 Sienna XLE Desert Sand
Pkg #12
Runnings Boards
Rear Mudguard
Carpet Mat Set w/ Doorsill Protector
$33,583 = MSRP
$30,126 = Dealer Invoice
$31126 = $1000+ Dealer Invoice
$1,407.75 = Tx Sales Tax (6.25%) - Tradein of $9k
$78 = Dealer Inventory Tax
$114 = Title, License, Inspection Fees
$55 = Doc Fee
$32,756 = Out the door Total
Actually, the out the door total does not include the $599 for 6 yr/100k mi extended warranty and the $399 for LoJack that I caved in on, I figured it was cheap peace of mind.
Anybody out there get better numbers for the extended warranty and LoJack?
cyeung65 & hislander, did you guys get better deals in Houston area?
Anyways, I'm very satisfied with my first Toyota, I got to experience the smooth ride in the 200 mile trip to get this puppy!
How did you do on your trade? Did they give you close to Kelly's Blue Book? or Edmunds TMV?
Steve, Host
Also is it true that Totoya may increase the Car Price in near future.
Thanks
SPJ
For my trade-in, I got about $100 shy of TMV trade-in, best I could do. Good luck on your quest (for a Toyota, not Nissan.) ;+>
cyeung65,
I'd email you the Internet Sales guy at MCT but your profile doesn't have your email address!
simmer down, steve.... :->
over and out.
in my deal, the TDA was included within the $1000 over invoice. If my deal had fallen through, I also was going to go with the Ody. You can't lose either way, they are both great vans! Happy hunting...
cyeung65,
Check your email, I've just emailed you the internet sales guy name.
laters...
Could you please email me the sales person's name? I have made my email public in my profile. We probably stay within a few miles in RR. I will honk when I spot your Sienna:-)
Sikhanda
I went to "Right Toyota" and got the usual high pressure show, was offered about 24.5k.
I got internet quote through Edmunds, glad I did. Got email from Camelback Toyota, very business like and to the point - would sell me same vehicle for about 23.5k. To this was added tax (8.1%) title (about 450, high in AZ!) and 290 "doc fees". Bottom line was about 26.1 out the door.
I was very impressed, every quick and easy, very professional fleet dept and Camelback Toyota. About 100 times better than those clowns at Right Toyota.
One tip: if you get quote thru internet be specific what you want, don't just say "I want a Sienna". Tell exactly what you want, model options color etc.
I live in Houston, you bought a Sienna in Houston.
You live in RR, my sister lives in RR.
You have a 98 Intrigue, my sister has a 99 Intrigue.
Your dream car is a Corvette, I own a Corvette.
You bought a Sienna, I will buy one too.
I guess our families have similar taste in cars!!
Thanks for the info. I plan to make a deal this weekend.
Bennett was a wonderful experience. No surprised with the numbers, they even matched the finace rate I got from People First. Saves me the hassle of sending them a check to switch the loan out. I recommend them completly. I only wish Toyota would send them more vans so they could have a chance to play with the way the seats work(moving them from one position in the middle row)
Great van to take on trips and I can see it will be great to truck the kids around town. Thank you Edmunds, and everyone who posts.
I have given a $500 Deposit for my Van which will be available around July 13th.
I didn't get any price closure to that from any Raleigh, Durham dealer.
Please comment on the price I got, Is it a good deal ?
Option package 17,(leather 2nd and 3rd row shades, heated front seats, 3row side airbags)
CF floor mats
ASC Aftermarket Moon Roof( Factory Moon Roof Not available XLE AWD)
College grad (-400)
MSRP 35041 +1200 Moonroof
Tot 36241
Paid 34230
Any Comments?
Invoice ($21,961) + approx 3+ %
which is far better than New Jersey State Prices
NJ MSRP Price for the Same Sieena --> $23,935 (Just Sienna Price )
Enjoy your New Sienna 2004 CE, Good Luck