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Given the nature of this market, I suspect that something specific can be had for a wheel chair passenger only. Good luck with your future purchase.
You can get other extended warrantees from a large variety of places. When you look at them I would suggest an exclusionary policy that specifically spells out what is not covered as opposed to the type that has a long list of what is covered. Inevitably with a what is covered policy you get into debates with the warranty company over repairs.
Do you intend to keep this vehicle for longer than Toyota's powertrain warranty? As I recall that is a 5yr/60k mile for all lubricated parts of the drivetrain.
An online place to buy the Toyota warranty is:
http://www.toyotawarranty.com/search_results.asp?txtsearchParamMa- n=7&txtsearchParamCat=19&btnSearch.x=9&btnSearch.y=11- &iLevel=1&txtsearchParamVen=ALL&txtFromSearch=fromSea- rch
Although definitely an ad, its points are good:
http://www.automotivehelper.com/eawarranty.php
Remember, a warranty is insurance and is only as good as the economic stability of the insurer. Good luck.
Steve, Host
I ordered the XLE with option #14, CF, PC in the SF BayArea dealer on July 4. The van is made on July 1 and it arrived on July 14. The price is about 2300 off MSRP, which is about 1400 over the invoice. I am not sure that is best deal, but it is the lowest price I can get during that time.
Good Luck.....
They were a pleasure with whom to do business.No surprises . Everything up front. Price was $1,480 under MSRP. No hidden or unexpected charges.
If you would like the name of my salesman e mail me and I'll be happy to let you know.
:-)
that sounds like msrp to me. did you try stevinson east or west? my broker told me that Burt has the highest profit margin in the state. If you want the name of the broker post your email and I'll send it. He gets pricing on an above invoice basis.
Your info could help me to cut the best deal. Thanks in advance for e-mailing me the info.
Neither CU or Edmunds delineates these added charges as they vary so much across the US. Some of them can be found at another web site that specializes in the Sienna (do a search). They also have plenty of good info on other subjects as well.
So the dealer probably was not lieing to you, if they were a bit smarter knowing that you know what you do, they might have delineated what the charges were.
Most vehicles carry a legitimate advertising fee levied by either the manufacturer or by regional dealer groups. National or regional advertising fees, when charged, should not exceed 1 percent of the vehicle's MSRP. Because individual dealership advertising is a cost of doing business, you should never pay an advertising fee levied by the dealer rather than a regional dealer association or the manufacturer.
21. Why is the car I'm looking at on the West Coast or in the Southern tier of states priced differently than what's listed on this Web site?
In the Southeast, large distributors control Toyota pricing, and take advantage of this monopoly by charging more money for destination and advertising fees. They also front-load many cars with worthless packages of cosmetic items that you don't need. Similarly, in the Northeast, a single distributor, who may charge differently for fees and options than dealers in the rest of the United States, handles Subaru products.
22. Why doesn't Edmunds.com list option prices for some makes and models?
Almost all Acura, Honda, and Suzuki options are dealer-installed. Some manufacturers, like Nissan, Subaru, Toyota and Volvo, will offer both factory- and dealer-installed options. Pricing for these items can vary depending on region and dealer. Therefore, it is impossible for Edmunds.com to list an accurate price for these items. Our experience shows that these items often carry a 100-percent markup in dealer profit. We recommend that you avoid buying dealer-installed options if you can help it."
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dooley822
The lowest quate I got is $25000
Will very appreciate for any information.
Some items that can show up on a Toyota invoice:
TDA (Toyota Dealer Advertising) Is based on the Base MSRP of the vehicle. It varies from region to region, but is a legitimate fee. I don't know if a dealer gets any of this money back, but Toyota uses this for the national TV commercials, magazine ads, etc. To get an idea of the cost for your region. Goto www.carsdirect.com input your zip code. Select a trim and click on the invoice link. A window will open and you'll get the estimated TDA for your area. Ranges from $200-$800.
WFR (Wholesale Financial Reserve) also called a Floorplan Fee, is based on 1% of Base MSRP with no options. It is a charge normally used to prepare the vehicle for sale. It includes detailing, pre-delivery service and interest charges for keeping the vehicle on the lot. Most of the time if a vehicle has been sitting on the lot, the dealer doesn't make any money on this. Ranges from $229-$370.
Holdback Is the 2% profit (Base MSRP no options * 2%) that the dealer gets back from Toyota for selling a vehicle. You don't pay for this twice. Toyota just shows you exactly what the dealer will get.
Gasoline is Gas. Usually about $6.
All these costs are legitimate charges and are figured into the INVOICE 1 price on the Model/Price Guide. Unfortunately Edmund's invoice prices don't show these charges and just gives you the base cost. Other companies (manufacturers) will just show the invoice without disclosing the holdback info. Toyota chooses to show it as a line item in their invoice. It is a real cost that the dealer pays to Toyota when they buy (or more accurately finance) the cars when they get them.
After we offered invoice + 5% on LE8 w/ pkg 4, they came back with the standard deal for Costco members: $1000 over invoice, on a vehicle due to be delivered mid-Aug, in our choice of color. I think AAA may have a similar deal.
Best financing I found was again through Costco -- exec members can click through costco.com to CapitalOne to get 0.5% lower than the 3.49% they are posting for the general public.
Here's hoping everything works out as planned!
Can anyone help? My email is ajsako@earthlink.net
Thank you in advance!
-April
Ok, I just reviewed the numbers to the best of my ability and it doesn't seem like a good deal at all!! If I am reading correctly, MSRP on this would be $31430, which my quote is only $300 under that, but wait, that does include tax and all that, ugh, I am sooo confused, please help! Tell me what you think! Can I get it down from here?
The MSRP plus destination for our choices, LE 8 with pkg 4 and mats, was $26726.
As a starting point, we originally offered 5% over my estimate of dealer cost: the Edmunds invoice price for the LE8 ($21833), subtract 2% of MSRP for holdback (-$488), add MSRP for pkg 4 ($1610) and CF (mats, $196), and $510 for destination. Rounding a bit, this first offer was $24800.
They came back with the "$1000 over invoice" Costco deal, for a dollar amount of $25365 (which is $1361 under MSRP). This resulted in some confusion, as they must be using a higher amount for invoice than Edmunds has. We finally agreed to go with $1000 over the actual invoice the car arrives with. Tax, title and license are to be added separately.
It sounds like suni2 got a slightly better deal than I did (if your number includes destination), but comparable.
The car, which was slated to come to our dealer anyway, is to be built soon and arrive mid August, at which time we'll negotiate the price for our trade-in. I can't remember, either it was going to be the color we wanted anyway or the dealer ordered that color for us since it hasn't been built yet.
BTW, the large glossy brochure we got from the dealership does a good job of listing what's in each package; we were particularly interested in packages WITHOUT leather, and it narrowed the choices for us.
However, depending on what region you are in, there is an opportunity to get the leather as a 'port installed' package. I've priced out on an LE8 in Texas (Gulf States Toyota region) and the leather package runs an additional $1995 over any factory packages. It includes a power lumber adjustment for the driver's seat.
I have no idea about whether or not this is the same leather interior which comes from the factory on either the XLE or XLE Ltd. Sienna's. I haven't been able to directly compare an LE equipped with the port installed leather interior against an XLE yet. I also don't know if the port installed leather interior is compatible with the seat-installed side air bags or not.
Even if the dealer can get me on, seems like we'll be paying close to if not full MSRP at Atlanta area dealers. I haven't really negotiated yet but my husband is worried that we'll just end up spending way too much and suggested waiting for a few months so possibly we can save potentially a few thou $$.
I want the car NOW or SOON so that we can take our September and x-mas road trips in a van(like just about everyone else!) - and the point is to have a safer car for our travels as we have two young children.
Will supply go up or will Toyota keep a lid on production to keep demand high? Will it raise the price since the car is so "hot"?
I just don't know what to do - buy for safety NOW and spend MORE or wait to save (or not)....
Steve, Host
Buyatoyota.com was unhelpful in giving specific inventory numbers for Northern California; "Limited" was all it would say about the LE8 I wanted (heck, I only need ONE!)
DealerNet.com did not show much from Toyota dealers; I don't think they participate very much.
More informative was the Santa Cruz dealer, who pulled out a printout for his dealership's expected deliveries and searched the computer for vans at other dealers.
The reason for the supply issues are probably b/c TMS is testing the market to see wich models will sell the most. thats why there are sooooo many different packages as well.
I have a bad feeling about this even though this internet sales guy is super nice. He won't move off MSRP and his idea of a concession is me paying invoice for floormats!! He's disclosed all the line items and there's no dealer prep or added markup...but I MUST be able to get a better deal somewhere, right?
I really really really should wait and not give into instant gratification...I just want my kids in a van, not an Explorer!!
arrgh! I've done so much "homework" and research but it doesn't seem to matter in this Sienna market. Maybe I should take my husband's advice and wait for negotiation room when the 05 Siennas come out or the (yikes!)2005 Ody. I just can't stand how the Ody looks now, unsure they can really improve appearance for me...
DC
Steve, Host
-April
ajsako@earthlink.net
There is no reason they should demand a non refundable deposit, if you walked away from this deal the day the car came in, a very happy other customer would be driving it out within a few hours. Believe me I know.
Last fall my Odyssey finally came in, after waiting 4 months, that exact day my employer sent notices to warn of impending layoffs. I took the letter to the dealer and said hey sorry but I am not buying right now. They gave me my deposit and the van was gone to some other very happy buyer by 9am the next day.
So I would just walk away. Until things normallize (supply to demand) the Sienna market is too hot to get a decent deal in most cases. Though there is the Costco deal delineated on the page before, if one was near my I would join in a minute for the savings.
I tried again this week and recieved a reply:
Thank your for your recent inquiry through Sam's Club Auto Buying Program.
We received information that indicates your interest in the new 2004 Toyota Sienna.
The way the program works is, Sam's Club and Sunshine Toyota have pre-negotiated pricing for automobiles for Sam's Club members. Based on invoice plus a percentage, depending on the vehicle.
Please be advised that the only vehicle exluded for the moment is the Sienna. Availability of this new model is very limited, and our sold orders are waiting anywhere from 12-16 weeks.
However, we are more than happy to price a unit for you, providing we know which models and options you would like."
I guess it will be a while until things calm down. So watch and wait.
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toyota is cranking out over 3200 Siennas per week. Can you imagine. 5 day work week that is over 600 cars per day off the line. With well over 1500 toyota dealers that is only 2 per day on average and some dealers are big some are small.
However, the annual rate should be near 150000 units which the Honda Odyssey only recently could attain. So Sienna will not command high prices as long as Odyssey since Toyota and make so many right now. REmember Odyssey was limited to 70000 units per year for first two years. Now we have 150000 Odyssey and 150000 Sienna on the market.
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