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my friend don't like leather- too hot, too cold, but i have to admit the cloth is nice on jetta.
don't like sunroof.-he's got that skin cancer concern ??????
so that's probably a easy deal, i think $20000 can be out of the door. sounds good enough?
How the heck does THE AGE matter?
I give you: Chevy 350, Ford5.0, Buick 3.8 V6, Honda I4 (in various versions), etc.
It is ALL about torque at low RPM in this country, and what you can do with it.
LINT LINT LINT LINT LINT
and it's IMPOSSIBLE to get it OFF.
I cannot stress this enough. I have regretted the day I drove home with the lint interior instead of the leather.
Other than that, I've been real happy with my car
I know some items have been mentioned above but here is the complete list. (unfortunatly this is for the 2002 model year since the 2003 broschures ar not even AVAILABLE yet)... I orderd one frome the website and got some cover letter instead 8-(
Additional items that the GLS has over the GL
Here's what it says for Jetta:
GL
Power windows now comes standard
Cruise control now comes standard
Power mirrors now comes standard
CD radio now comes standard
GLS
Luxury Package, including power sunroof and 15 inch alloy wheels with anti-theft wheel locks, now comes standard.
I've APR chipped my GTI - not only does it have 220 HP (in my case 240 with additional mods) but the APR chip gives you 235 lb ft of torque. Torque steer isn't bad at all - although this is the limit I'd take an FWD small car to. Anything above this level of HP needs 4Motion IMO.
I've done a lot of stuff to the suspension as well.
How many folks in here will consider purchasing (leasing) the new redesigned Jetta that comes out in 2004? If it was not a first year model I would, since my lease expires in the spring of 2005.
I was saying that the 1.8T made the 10 Best Ward's list, even though the VR6 was older. Read the whole statement before answering..."
Making that list does nothing for me. I don't know who Ward's is, or what it means. I was asking a "hypothetical" type of question comparing a specific function.
When I got mine, I was going to get cloth. I needed leather for the lumbar support adjuster in the seat, for my back. But I am glad I got leather now. For the seat heaters (which I know are available with cloth anyway), and for its ease of cleaning.
If it is so good, why didn't VW just do that in the first place?
Also, can the diesel turbo Jettas be "chipped"? What kind of results (effects) can be gotten from so doing?
I don't know why they don't use these chips in the car from the factory. They would save us alot of trouble if they did.
And as far as driveability, I don't know. I never drove a chipped VW yet. Reliability seems to be pretty good though, from what I have heard.
Well, that answers your first question. As for the second, the 1.8T already requires 91 octane, so that shouldn't change. Also, there are several different chips for the TDI that boost the torque about 40 ft-lbs and the hp about 25.
What EXACTLY do the chips do? What parameters do they change on the car? Engine? Transmission? Fuel? Spark? How?
long term durability? Ask natescape, he his a 1996 Passat TDI that is chipped
Chipping voids your engine warranty according to VWoA. Most dealers do not even know that an engine is chipped and only a few will deny warranty coverage due to chipping. No matter what you are told don't believe that there is any protection given by the Magnuson Moss act.
TDI's can be "chipped" or a performance box added that increases hp and torque. Wetterauer, Speedtuning, Upsolute and others offer chips for TDI and other VW's.
Personally, I think it remains a prudent strategy to wait until after the warranty to start performing mods like chipping. Most people do it and either have no warranty issues or the dealer looks the other way, but if you have a big problem with the car, you're taking a significant risk.
- Mark
"There are several options for obtaining your chip. You may have your ECU modified at any of our Authorized Distributors. The second option is to send the ECU directly to us to have it modified. Typically your ECU is returned the same day we receive it. For ECU removal instructions see our Customer Support page.
If you're sending your ECU in to us, please print out and complete the order form below. Be sure to indicate which programs you would like to purchase, as well as the other information listed. For information on the program options, see below under the EMCS heading.
A third option is to order a spare ECU and have us install the modified chip before sending it on to you. This will allow one to swap the stock engine computer back in when getting the car serviced. The spare ECU's that we sell are new factory units. Because of this, there are no refunds on spare ECU's, only on the APR software. For more information on this, see the Terms and Conditions of Sale. Spare Golf/GTI ECU's start at an additional $400. Installing a spare ECU in some cars will require the use of our immobilizer clone software, which is available at no charge. This software can be utilized with a VAG-COM tool, also available through us."
I thought the ECU and the keys needed to be synched, perhaps it has nothing to do with the keys, but my original point was that you either have to buy a spare ECU or you have to exchange your ECU and have the chip replaced. In either event, there is no low-cost method to replace the stock chip and have the car bone stock when you go in for a warranty repair.
- Mark
The factory must abide by the emissions laws... the chip-sellers have no such limitations.
The factory tunes the engines with low EMISSIONS as the main goal.
The chip-sellers (at least the good ones) have dyno-tuned the engine-programming for maximum power output. If this happens to be a turbo engine (TDI or 1.8T) then it is a simple thing to make upwards to 70-100 more HP by simply increasing the boost (which is computer-controlled)
One chip-seller has a neat feature that uses the existing windshield-washer switch and some dash lights to allow selection of different programming. One could set the MAX-POWER program for some racing, change to a MID-POWER programming for everyday driving and select the NORMAL setting for when your teenage son is going to borrow the car. (or a dealer visit)
Additionally, in order for the factory to follow the letter of the law and have a new engine-program authorized by the feds, I understand that the cost is outrageous (many 100 thousand dollars to have a new engine-program acreteted/authorized.)
For the TDI, there is also the "BOXs" that increase power output. Many folks have the boxes in addition to the upsolute chip.
Do not forget that it is not the actual key that is programmed but the car.
Programmable options;
Perhaps, but if driven on the street, WE have to abide by them. In MA, we get put on a dyno every other year to test emissions.
"The chip-sellers (at least the good ones) have dyno-tuned the engine-programming for maximum power output."
Meaning what? What do they change? Wastegate opening settings? Spark advance? ????
"If this happens to be a turbo engine (TDI or 1.8T) then it is a simple thing to make upwards to 70-100 more HP by simply increasing the boost (which is computer-controlled)"
OK, how does it do this?
"One chip-seller has a neat feature that uses the existing windshield-washer switch and some dash lights to allow selection of different programming. One could set the MAX-POWER program for some racing, change to a MID-POWER programming for everyday driving and select the NORMAL setting for when your teenage son is going to borrow the car. (or a dealer visit)"
How many people race a car AND bring it to a dealer or let their teenager use it? If a racing car, who cares about street settings? Does the dealer care what you do on the race track? I think that might void your warranty anyhow, no?
I thought it was an EEPROM which just gets swapped or added in, or one of those "piggyback" modules which could be plugged or unplugged at a whim. Ideally, they could go into the ODBII service port or whatever it is called, which is REAL convenient.
Oh well, thanks for the education on VW "chipping".
It will void your engine warranty (not the whole warranty) if they discover you've chipped your car and it's done damage. That's why many people buy the programmable ECU, thus you can shift it back to normal and the techs won't feel the car is any different from normal. Of course if you bring in your 1.8T with engine problems, you better take it to a mod-friendly VW dealer because odds are good at most places you're gonna get hosed.
If you want a full breakdown on exactly what a chip does, visit http://www.goapr.com
Why doesn't VW do this from the factory? Well they kinda did, take the 2002 1.8T model. Same engine as the AWW (2001) renamed it as a AWP for 2002, and upped the boost. Granted it gained a slightly larger downpipe, but that's not really relevant, that was for emissions issues from what I understand.
Also, APR has the ECMS option, basically a daughterboard that goes over the chip, and it allows you to swich between programs via the cruise control stalk. I have the stock program for when I go to the dealer or have to do an emissions test (which I have to do this weekend actually!) and the 93 Octane Program.
- Anthony
That's hilarious. Chipping won't void your entire warranty...they may refuse to do work on your engine or tranny but it's not like they'll say, "Nope, can't fix that sunroof, ya chipped the car." Some dealers may try, but they can't void the whole warranty.
Also, a dealership would have to prove you were racing to deny warranty work. If you lack visible mods to the car and have a normal ECU then it'd be mighty tough for them to deny you service.
Even for autocross, it is sometimes kind of obvious.
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The reason I ask? My gas light goes off around 320 miles. I have heard this light goes off when there is 1.5 gallons left in the tank. I continue to drive to 350-355. Thus, I would expect to fill up 14 gallons or so. However, every time I fill up, it is only 12-13 gallons.
Does this mean I actually have another 1.5-2.5 gallons available (i.e. the gas light goes off when there are 2.5-3.5 gallons left)? Or, does that extra air for expansion take up this space (i.e. the tank actually only holds 13-13.5 gallons)?
With the gas light, it comes on when there are approximately 1.9gals. left in the tank, per the owner's manual. I can get up to 330 miles sometimes with the fuel light on. The longest I drove was 35 miles with the light on. That time, the car took 14.1 gallons of gas in its 14.5 gallon tank.