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BlueGuy: It sounds as though you might need some counseling for your "phobia" of Japanese cars. Since your opinion is not based on empirical data, your thought process sounds a little out there.
Since many on here were bringing up the Mazda 6, I thought I would share my observations....
Was that a personal attack? Should I call Pat? Wahhhh!!!!
I still think the 6 is sweeeeet
another phrase would of been "your panties are in a wad" ever heard of that?
Just ribbing ya
Glad somebody on here has a sense of humour...
You can delete your own messages.
However, I will never buy a vehicle from a company that has to create a whole new name in the U.S. market so that they can charge more for both the vehicle and for maintenance, service, and parts (i.e. Lexus, Acura)."
Lexus "may" build good cars? How about "Lexus DOES build good cars". That's better. You have to admit that creating a whole new name worked. Nobody wants to spend big bucks on a Toyota, even if it is a RWD full size luxury sedan. Hence, Lexus. All of the European luxury auto makers laughed when the Lexus was introduced. They ain't laughing no more.
On topic: I'd much rather be in a LS430 than a Golf or Jetta if I was going to be in an accident.
Fish, it's no more "out there" than someone saying they won't buy a car because they dislike the dash. If anything my feeling is based on a sense of security, something that's pretty important in the realm of enjoying one's car. Especially when one drives with the reckless abandon that I do. If I don't feel safe dontcha think that'll severely curtail my illegal driving time?
new: On topic: I'd much rather be in a LS430 than a Golf or Jetta if I was going to be in an accident.
I'd rather never be in any current or past Lexus thanks. Regardless of the safety issue, I just plain don't like their cars. Ditto Honda/Acura/Toyota.
blueguy: I know what you're saying about the "feeling" of your car. I noticed the solid bank vault feeling the first time I sat in a MkIV and closed the door. My friend who owns a Corolla noticed it the first time he rode in my car. I sat in a 2003 Accord at the auto show, and they have done a lot toward the solid feeling. The doors feel much more substantial than the 98-02 models, and the car overall just feels higher quality. If they made a wagon, we would consider one for my wife's next car.
There seem to be a glut of 5 door hatches out there, yet very few proper wagons. By "wagon" I mean cars that could contain my two large dogs in the cargo area without having to fold the rear seats.
I think the Altima and G35 are solid built cars, but the Altima kind of skimps on interior niceness.
Another note: you can't get a new Jetta with a VR6 for less than $25k (MSRP $26,200+). The VR6 is a more comparable model to the Mazda6 3.0 which starts at $21,620 MSRP, even with leather and sport package the MSRP is still cheaper than the base GLX VR6 package.
Ppower
GLX Jettas usually go for $25K or so, if that. The GLX comes with rain sensing wipers, electronic stability control, and memory power seats on both sides. None of which are available on the 6 at any price.
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2003/volkswagen/jetta/glivr64drsedan28l6cyl6m/prices.html
i am confused - what is this from "mynewvw"?
[If you have nothing to add to the conversation, maybe it's you who should "stop typing".]
i am lost.....who is this "mynewvw"? and what does it mean by that statement? seems kind of out of the blue. someone, anyone, is there a missing post or something?
and, for the record, it would HAVE to be an LS430 for me to feel SAFER than i do in my car. of course, the LS430 probably doesn't have coil issues....;)
I'd love to get a front bench in a car or SUV now. They only seem to be available in trucks.
:-(
Also, a front bench seat is still available in some full-size cars, like the Impala, Bonneville, and Toyota Avalon.
In my book, and most, SUV's have a frame and a low gear. These are just elevated wagons, or at the biggest stretch, minivans.
The only real "wagons" are ones like the Focus, Jetta, Matrix/Vibe, and soon-to-come Mazda6.
Are you saying that had "handling prowess", fuel economy (400ci)? It certainly had power, and even more certainly was a wagon.
It is known widely that these ones mentioned kind of filled the void left by the real wagons. More than them, the real SUV's have filled that void.
Glad we could settle this. I can accept that you "plain don't like their cars." If I had the money, I would spend it on something other than a Lexus myself....maybe...until the IS430 comes out. In Lexus price ranges, my money would most likely go to BMW (3 series or 5 series). Just as Lexus builds super reliable and durable luxury cars, BMW makes THE definition of sport sedan. They are so good, and so sweet looking, that I could probably live with reliability issues if there were any. Sooo...I don't really like Lexus cars either, but I know they are nowhere near "tin can" cars AND they are definately safe cars. Some might say Lexus builds the best cars (fit and finish, reliability, refinement) in the world.
Anakin-
PT cruiser? I dunno, just a thought. You could probably pick one up pretty cheap. Nobody has mentioned it yet and it's supposed to be a pretty solid machine. They have a beast of a turbo engine available too. Is it a wagon? Is it a truck?
Just say "Bye!" to Neon:
http://www.ag.auburn.edu/users/gparmer/articles/neon/
One thing is for sure I will NOT be buying another VW ever after this one. It is a first class POS.
Ppower
I like the PT, the interior is great, and there is a ton of cargo space. It is definitely a love/hate car though.
Wagon = TWO BIG DOGS can fit behind the rear seats without having to fold them.
This rules out a whole bunch of stuff like the Matrix/Vibe, Protege5, PT Cruiser, Subaru Impreza/WRX and anything else that doesn't have that "wagon" space in the back.
This leaves the Jetta/Passat and the Subaru Legacy/ Forester... maybe the Mazda 6 if they bring the wagon over. The Focus has the space, but I'm just not interested.
what is funny, is we have 4 inches of snow today. and people are stuck in FOUR inches, in their trucks and SUV's. i love it. idiots. a guy was in an old Porsche in front of me - doing fine. so was i. i don't understand some people. how oh how did they ever get drivers licenses??!!
Lexus vs. Jetta safety? Not an issue. Jetta ranks high in all categories. I would prefer to be in a Jetta compared to any other car.
If I had my druthers, I'd have the new S4 for me and the S4 Avant for the mrs. Yee-ha.
OK. We'll dual it out. I get an S600, you get a Jetta. We'll crash into each other. We'll see who wins. 100 bucks says I drive right through the Jetta and keep on going.