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maybe the mazda 6s engine really loosens up after a while. you'll let know me know if you get one won't you?
The 6 makes 192 ft-lbs of torque, but it's at 5000 rpm.
The 1.8T makes 173 ft-lbs, but you get all of it at 1950rpm.
So you've got full power in the Jetta while the 6 is still revving up.
It's because of the lack of torque at low RPM that I traded my Accord for my Jetta. Japanese cars seem to want to make all their power on the top end, which isn't as satisfying a feeling IMO as having power down low.
What you say about low end torque, low end rpms makes sense. Toyota.com has a glossary explaining torque (lb.-ft.) and all that good stuff.
I don't have 200 miles on my Jetta and I'm already afraid of what's going to happen when I hit 500 miles. I may take it back to the dealer and drive it through the show room windows. I've never heard this many tales about a car before. But, I have not talked to other owners like I'm now. This is certainly the place to go before you buy. My excitement is fading fast.......man!!!
By the way, I envy your job. I love cars and airplanes. I get a rush form both.
Yeah check out vwvortex.com, pretty cool site, nice peope who run it too.
- Anthony
Happy Motoring
BTW: My Jetta is still flawless at 22,000 miles.
"...it's running just fine and I like it alot. I plan to keep it for a long, long time to come."
You traded it for your Jetta THREE DAYS LATER!!!
The true cliffhanger ... WILL PAUL keep his Jetta? WILL the new car smell overwhelm Paul's good senses? WILL Paul's drive of the Mazda6 bring forth the end of Paul's one-year-old lease? FIND OUT NEXT WEEK ... Same EDMUNDS time ... Same JETTA discussion!
Believe me, Paul ... You've got a lot of Protege lurkers hanging on your every word!!!
(But I hope you enjoy your test drive anyway!)
Meade
Take it back? And lose thousands of dollars instantly. That's a sound decision. Hey, I've had my car one week and I lost 2k.
Meade
I am glad you Protege people are so interested in my life, I love it.
Has any seen the Feb issue of MOTOR TREND? It compares the Mazada 6s, Altima 3.5 SE and the Jetta GLI. Interesting!!!
Happy Motoring and I wish you all green lights and blue skys.
I'm new with message boards. How long does it take to post a message? And what else goes on that I don't see?
Thanks
*scratch head*
This month in Motor Trend: Mini Cooper vs. Accord vs. Town Car!
So the Mazda beat the VW, huh? How "trendy"!
Meade
Meade
Actually, I'd put all magazines writers in that category.
i personally wouldn't buy a car that i did not want, but i guess that happens too. but then again, i wouldn't buy a car, then 2 days later start modding it. the idea of a NEW car is that it is perfect, for at least a few months
Vocus - don't ya just love internet stalkers?
I never agree with them. Like movie critics they're useless.
not being sarcastic at all. if someone has a new car with only 200 miles, and they are having problems, you better believe you can take it back.
Yeah you can and absorb a 2k hit.
happens all of the time.
Only in buyer's remorse states or among the foolish.
car with 200 miles, and problems already? take it back! is there a post missing somewhere?
Car with 200 miles and problems is still your car and not the dealer's problem.
i always thought mods were for people that already had the car, but didn't want to make the financial leap to a car in the next class, so they just spend a few hundred to make due until the next promotion/lease end date.
LOL...or they're unable to find any car they want. Or maybe want a bit more out of their purchase so they spend $200 rather than blowing $3k on a whole new vehicle.
A good for instance is the Jetta 1.8T. Say for 22k one can't find many sedans that offer speed, luxury, limited style, safety and fun. 25k...essentially the same ballpark and no choices. 29k. Same still and no choices. $32k...okay now you've found it but that's a $10k leap.
What to do then if one wants more performance without sacrificing other things? You can spend another $10k for a BMW or G35 or drop less than two grand on a 1.8T and get a car that's got razor sharp handling, gobs of power from a chip and new exhaust and all the original safety, style and luxury items.
Yeah that modder sure is living in a dream world. He should just pony up $8k for a Bimmer or G.
i see what you are saying about why YOU modded YOUR Jetta. but, you had your Jetta for awhile, and grew to despise the way it handled. i bet if you hated the way it handled on the test drive, you would NOT have bought it.....:)
i would beg to diff.. here's my point, the 02/03 maximas go from 22k for a 255hp base SE but with tons of standard features (HID lites, 17inch wheels, etc) to a loaded SE which goes for 25.5k. you can't tell me your jetta is suchhhhh a great value.. i agree that it's a good value..but according to you, there's nothing even close. my gf has a jetta and i have a maxima... so i know the differences. you factor in the jetta reliablity issues, im not so sure there's nothing that comes close to your jetta for "speed, luxury, limited style, safety and fun". just my 2cents
Yeah, return it and take a $2000 hit. Can I be any clearer for you?
Maybe you live in a state with buyer's remorse laws but there is no "cooling-off period" on a car sold in CA. You buy it, you own it. No other options.
sure, you can trade it, or get it fixed, but for ME, i would return it. when i return things,
I get 100% of my money back.
Again, maybe in your state. But not here. They'd laugh at you and show you the door.
i would not be losing 2 grand....not sure i understand why others wouldn't do that same thing.
Because if you buy car it's yours and not their problem, Justin.
i bet if you hated the way it handled on the test drive, you would NOT have bought it.....:)
True, but i didn't push the Jetta to over 90 mph on the freeway or fling it through a 35 mph on-ramp at twice the limit to know that the car couldn't take what I wanted to dish.
Kyle:
i would beg to diff.. here's my point, the 02/03 maximas go from 22k for a 255hp base SE but with tons of standard features (HID lites, 17inch wheels, etc) to a loaded SE which goes for 25.5k. you can't tell me your jetta is suchhhhh a great value.. i agree that it's a good value..but according to you, there's nothing even close. my gf has a jetta and i have a maxima... so i know the differences. you factor in the jetta reliablity issues, im not so sure there's nothing that comes close to your jetta for "speed, luxury, limited style, safety and fun". just my 2cents
Yes your two cents. For my 2.5 million cents the Maxima is worthless and doesn't meet my standards for style, safety or fun. The 4 speed auto and 6 speed manual handicap the car, the size and suspension make it undulate too much in hard cornering and switchbacks. The Maxima is fast, luxurious and reliable.
Trust me, I've tried every car under 40k and the Jetta was the default choice because I couldn't reconcile spending 32k on a BMW (no G35 at the time) that I knew in my heart would be unreliable and expensive to repair. Fast-forward 19 months, I'm in the same boat...lousy current car (Jetta) but nothing in the same price range that is better for my money. The only option...drop 15k on a bimmer/infiniti to get the same payments.
Thanks....DRC
i agree that the Jetta is the only sedan that meets of all my requirements, in my price range. the great part for me, is that it was on the low end of the price range. i think for a lot of people looking at Kia/Hyundai, Focus, Protege, etc, it is NOT perceived as a great value. but those that are looking at the other end of the econo-sport sedan segment, it is the only game in town.
i guess all that says is we in the U.S. don't have much to pick from
Do you have to go to some sort of "programming" school to be a critic? No. Anyone can do it off the street. So how do they come to their decisions? Personal preference HAS to take some kind of place there...
my definition of a critic is anybody who gets paid for doing it. not anybody off the street can do that. know one is paying you or me for our opinions. probably the most crucial skill for a good critic is having good writing/communication skills.
I'm getting 23 mpg pretty consistently with my manual 1.8T mixed 60% freeway/40% city.
As for the critics (movies, music, cars, food) it's all subjective and basically it comes down to solid writing and enough experience in that realm that you sound like an expert. Mention the subtle, almost complimentary flavor of the crispy butter-fried shallots in Burmese Chicken Curry and people think you've got some culinary expertise. Same with movies and cars. No big deal.
There's not a person who knows me that would ever say something as libelous as blueguy loves his jetta. Yeah, the word I'm thinking of starts with an "l-o" but from there it all goes wacky and adds on "a-t-h-e". I literally pray daily that my car will catch fire in the parking lot, get hit by a semi loaded with concrete or mysteriously disappear to Mexico forever. but alas it hasn't happened.
I'm objective when it comes to cars (I'll drive anything and if I like it, I like it) and I have a massive soft spot in my heart for Nissans as they're the only reliable cars I've ever owned. That said, the Max to me is still just fast, reliable and somewhat luxurious. That's a step over the Altima which only gets fast and reliable assigned to it. And way over the Sentra SE-R which merely gets quick and reliable. It's not my fault Nissan didn't put a decent suspension, good tranny (4 speed auto or a notchy 6 speed manual!) or nice exterior on the Max.
Heck they even cheaped out with the G35 while the Murano - a nissan SUV for pete's sake- gets the best interior of any Nissan/Infiniti under 40k. They have real aluminum everywhere in that thing. And solid, quality plastics! Good grief.
I'm sorry I brought the whole thing up!!!
It's been so quiet out here, that I could hear a mouse piss on cotton.