Volkswagen Jetta 2005 and earlier

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  • AnakinAnakin Member Posts: 410
    That's quite the expression.
  • cards28cards28 Member Posts: 145
    When I picked up my Jetta from the dealer the salesman pointed out to me (on another Jetta) that there was a laminate on the front of the car and back about 8" on the hood. It was invisible and he had to point it out to me. He claimed that it would withstand a rock/stone from scratching the paint up to 50 mph. He said the dealer charges $310. He said, "I will give you the name and phone # of the guy that installs the laminate for all dealers in the area. He only charges $110". I was impressed enough and had the guy do it. I'm cheap and I'm a hard sell. Look at the front of your cars and you can see all the tiny paint chips from road debris.
    Has anyone come across this before? If so, how well does it protect?
  • donnabgooddonnabgood Member Posts: 37
    I am in California also.. are you telling me that in other states besides CA there is a cooling off period after you take delivery of the car and you can return it and get 100% of your money back? Which states allows this and how long do you have to return you car?
  • fish8fish8 Member Posts: 2,282
    I am currently at 9000 miles and to this day I have not had any excess oil consumption issues with my 2.0 Jetta. I guess VW finally fixed the problem with this engine. Just thought I'd share.
  • AnakinAnakin Member Posts: 410
    I have the StonGard stuff on my car. I think it was worth the money. There are a couple spots on my hood where I can tell it protected my car from what might have been some pretty nasty paint chips.

    I will always have this stuff added to my new cars in the future.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    I know someone with a silver 337 GTI who has that stuff. You really can't see it, but beware of it when waxing. Get some wax on the edge of it, and you will be sorry. It's a great alternative to having a bra, and having to take it off all the time. Also, check out something called Magnetbra. It's at www.magnetbra.com. It's like $24, and just covers the edge of the hood. Worth looking in to possibly.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    Never heard that one before (about the cotton)...
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    I was offered a great price on a 90 Jetta w/86K miles on it. I can't decide if I wanna get that and pay the extra insurance on it (to use the car for commuting), or keep the cash and get some stuff for my 02 Jetta (chip, etc.) that I want. Would be cool having 2 cars, but I still can't decide.
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Member Posts: 2,405
    My GF's '91 Jetta is nothing but trouble. I'd stay away. Just my opinion.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    I was wondering if she still had the car or not. I thought about you all when I heard about this car, and I know you said she had some trouble with it. That's one thing that bothers me, I've never owned a car without a warranty and it makes me paranoid. Can you elaborate on what some of the problems are, just curious.

    I also saw a 1999 MKIV Jetta (like mine, only stripped, 5-speed, and black) for $1225 on EBay (the bid's there now). Only thing is, the car has 101,000+ miles on it. Just a thought, I wouldn't go for this car anyway since it's a stick and I can't drive stick...
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Member Posts: 2,405
    Problems(that I can remember) w/ the '91 Jetta:
    BTW, it's got about 175 000 kms.

    a) in cold weather, idle control valve (I think that's what it's called...) can get stuck, thereby making the engine rev even if you remove your foot from the gas pedal.

    b) fan belt blew off, leaving me stranded in -20 C weather for 3 hours whilst waiting for AAA. Fan belt was not that old.

    c) while driving on the highway, the car would slip out of gear. Clutch cable/clutch had to be replaced recently.

    d) Muffler/exhaust was completely rusted out. Had to be replaced.

    e) Can't turn the heater/AC on because the fan makes a horrendous wailing sound.

    Now, there are some things that I just plain do not like about the car. The cabin is ugly (nothing like the new Jettas) and there is a lot of wind noise that intrudes into the cabin. The handling on the car is also crap. Oh...and there's some rust that is slowly starting to get larger and larger.

    I know there are more issues, but I can't recall them all at the moment (I try to NOT think about that money pit as much as possible). It's your money...but I'd say stay away from that car.
  • justinjustin Member Posts: 1,918
    yes, i am not sure about the exact numbers, but some states protect consumers with "cooling off" periods. and some states are geared towards protecting the business owners. goes with the politics of the person that sits in the governors mansion.

    not sure where you could find out the info, somewhere on the web probably.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    You have the equivalent of 126,000 miles on the 91. It's a year newer, but has 40K more than the one I was looking at. Considering I would be commuting in this car (80 miles daily), I might wanna pick up something that would cost less to fix and be more reliable. I think I will hold out.

    Thanks for your help.
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Member Posts: 2,405
    No prob...Like I said to my GF...with the money that we've been putting into her car, we could have made a number of car payments on a brand new car.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    I keep telling my co-worker the same thing. She has a 1992 Corsica V6 with 132K miles on it, and the sucker breaks about every month or so. It costs her $25 to cab it to work, then she has to get a ride from family or somehing. Plus she has to repair the car. I told her to get a new car, but she isn't going for it yet, she says. She wants her basement at home done first. :)
  • cards28cards28 Member Posts: 145
    Vocus,
    Thanks for the magnet bra tip. It looks like it is more durable that the laminate. Right now, I have the laminate, but will keep it in mind next time. I will also keep the wax away from the edges.
    Thanks
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    Where's all that value these Jettas hold? A 3-year old Jetta for $1,225? Are you sure you don't mean $12,250?

    Wow!

    Meade
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Member Posts: 6,249
    yes, i am not sure about the exact numbers, but some states protect consumers with "cooling off" periods. and some states are geared towards protecting the business owners. goes with the politics of the person that sits in the governors mansion.

    Um, Justin, the Governor has nothing to do with a law like that. It's up to the legislature to create a law and for the gov to sign it into being. Regardless, CA has not had a cooling-off period in my 28 years of life. We've had plenty of liberals in office...Gov. Jerry "Moonbeam" Brown and Gov. Gray Davis spring to mind. Neither saw fit to nix a law that makes sense. If you return a car to a dealership it's now used and the dealership would take a bath trying to resell it. If someone's gonna blow 25k they should know beforehand whether or not they want the car.

    But then again, I'm about as pro-business as a person can get. Customers get the rights a business bestows upon them IMO.

    I do know of one dealership in San Diego that has a money back guarantee on its cars of 3 days or 500 miles. Of course those guys are the biggest nissan dealers around (they have like 4 or 5 stores here).

    No VW dealer that I know of in San Diego allow for returns. Hell they don't fix cars, so why would they take them back?!
  • adg44adg44 Member Posts: 385
    Do you have a 2003 2.0L engine?
  • justinjustin Member Posts: 1,918
    keeping this brief, since it is off topic. but, yes, the legislature WRITES the bills, but who in the state do you suppose signs it into law?

    for the record, i DID NOT say that a liberal governor would be pro-consumer, or that a conservative governor would be pro-business. wouldn't matter anyway sometimes. look at MD. conservative governor, liberal legislature. opposite for VA.
  • justinjustin Member Posts: 1,918
    Blue -

    IF i decided to get a rear sway bar for cheap, it would help with roll and dive, but NOT effect the actual luxurious feel of the car, right? in order to make the car ride "rough", i would need stiff low profile tires and sport springs, right? or wrong?

    i would not mind making the car less rolly/divey, but i do not want the ride to suffer at all. i was thinking same tires, same springs, for straight roads, but just pop in a bar for curves and braking.

    make sense, or do you have to go whole hog with bars, wheels, and springs? if that is case, forget it.

    keep in mind, i am not a "modder" - do not want any appearance things, or any "sporty" ride - that is what a new used 2002 base Miata is for :) (Jeez I hope GWB does one good thing and gets me a big refund this year!! haha)
  • cards28cards28 Member Posts: 145
    Blue this is for you...

    How do you use italics, bold and underline features in you messages? OK, so I'm slow. Plse tell me.
    Thanks
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Member Posts: 6,249
    Justin, the ride will be a touch stiffer with a swaybar but not markedly so. You don't need to go modding everything. That's the only switch I made and the difference in handling is night and day.

    It's certainly not Miata rough...man, everytime you mention that car I ponder getting rid of mine and just kicking it with a 2000 miata for 12-13k. Even with the buzzy engine and lack of passenger space that's gotta be the most fun somebody can have for under 15k. BTW, do you know how much a supercharger runs for one? I read something in MT once about a simple SC add-in that made the car a freaking rocket for about 2k.

    cards, just use standard html tags for <> interior text</> (put an "i" inside for italics, b for bold and u for underline) messing with text.
  • cards28cards28 Member Posts: 145
    I missed the first round of the GB earlier this week and another offer is out there again. They only need 10 participants this time. I live in the Chicago area and I buzz around on freeways and toll roads. Will a rear sway bar make that much difference?

    Oh, I'm the guy that doesn't have more than 200 miles on my new 2003 Tornado Red Jetta yet. I hope to sell my Camry this weekend. The Jetta is still in the garage, very nice and clean. That wont last long here. Someone earlier said, that Tornado Red, is get a "ticket" red. Does anyone have a court date to prove that?

    Thanks
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Member Posts: 6,249
    I live in the Chicago area and I buzz around on freeways and toll roads. Will a rear sway bar make that much difference?

    It's personal preference. I personally feel that the Jetta without a sway doesn't handle the way I demand a car perform. To each his own. Some people like lean and understeer. I like no lean and oversteer.
  • newcar31newcar31 Member Posts: 3,711
    You should have a Miata. You live in SoCal which couldn't be a more perfect place to drive a Miata. Jackson Racing makes superchargers for the Miata.

    http://www.jacksonracing.com/pages/components.html

    Get out your checkbook.
  • adg44adg44 Member Posts: 385
    Since it seems like none of you here really "modify" your cars, and are just looking for a small mod, sway bars really aren't "small" mods. The front and rear sway bars on your car are matched from VW for very neutral and safe handling (meaning understeer). When you mess with sway bars, you mess with the phsyics of your suspension.

    Basically (depending on sport package or whatnot) you have a 23mm front sway bar, and a 21mm rear sway bar. Regular jettas are something like 21mm front and 19mm rear, or very close to that. If you aren't changing your front sway bar, don't get a 28mm rear sway bar, you will have too much oversteer (for normal every day drivers).

    On my GTI, I had a 22mm H&R front sway bar and a 25mm Neuspeed rear sway bar on the stiffest setting. This, IMO, was the perfect combination. It gave me a tad of oversteer, but in every day to day manuevering, it was perfectly neutra. It did also help that I had Bilstein sport shocks, H&R race springs, and a Neuspeed strut bar, but that just made the handling better and give me a rougher ride. ;)

    If you just add a rear sway bar, I'm also assuming you're talking about Neuspeed since those are the only GBs going on in the classifieds, then a 25mm is your best bet. It has three stiffness settings, and I honestly didn't notice a change in ride once I installed it, only it had virtually no body lean in the corners and the steering response was quicker.

    As for the guy with only 200 miles on the Jetta.... wait a thousand miles or so, let all the parts break in properly, then go modifying the car. Enjoy it for what it is stock, then when you get bored add some cool stuff. ;)

    Hope this helps, if you want more clarification, you will easily be able to find it with a simple search in the G/J IV forum located at http://forums.vwvortex.com

    - Anthony
  • cards28cards28 Member Posts: 145
    Anthony,
    I had a feeling that is what I should do. Drive it for a while and then add the sway bar so I will know the difference. Good idea. I'll wait.

    When I do add it later, do I have to remove the VW stock, 21mm rear bar, before I install the 25mm by Neuspeed?

    Thanks
  • adg44adg44 Member Posts: 385
    It really shouldn't be called a sway bar... it runs through (for a lack of better words) the rear torsion beam. It can't be removed - you are adding to it.

    Neuspeed makes the only on that you don't have to drill there rear beam to install, that's why I went with it.

    Let me see if I can't find some pictures of when my car was on a lift....
  • adg44adg44 Member Posts: 385
    image

    It's the red thing below the beam that says neuspeed on it ;):D

    Man I miss that car.... :(
  • cards28cards28 Member Posts: 145
    Anthony,
    You have out done yourself. This is very impressing. You are a real carrrrrrr......nuttttt. Thanks for pulling out that photo to show us. Now, I have a better idea of where the bar goes. Man...am I impressed. Beautiful vivid colors, too. I just printed it out in color. I'll use it as a guide. Did you install the bar yourself? If so, how long did it take?
    How did you attach the picture to you message? WOW!!! Being an old guy, small things still make me smile :-). What kind of exhaust system do have there?
    You said that you missed that car. What happened to it?
  • adg44adg44 Member Posts: 385
    Haven't out done myself at all, I've written a lot longer ones on Vortex. If you aren't a member there, and you want to learn a LOT about your car, I suggest you sign up. http://forums.vwvortex.com

    I did all the installs on that car by myself other than the ECU upgrade and the tranny upgrade. The rear bar is really simple, and neuspeed gives good instructions. It took about 45 minutes to install while working under floor jacks in my garage.

    The image went in with the html code <"img src=www.enteraddresshere.com">, but without the quotation marks.

    That is a Milltek exhaust, I had one of the first ones and fitment was quite a problem, so I sent it back and went to back to my Thermal R&D exhaust.

    As for what happened to the car, it was a few things. Times were changing for me, and it was vandalized this past summer when I went down to the beach. After that it was never the same, atleast in my eyes.

    You can see some pictures about the car and read all the mods I had done to it, here: http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=418847 Nevermind, I just took a look and all those photos are down cause my FTP went down. It still has a full list of the mods though.

    - Anthony
  • cards28cards28 Member Posts: 145
    GOOD NIGHT, ANTHONY
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    You sold that car, but got a WE. So at least you are still in the VW family.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    The car was on EBay, they always start out low. They pulled the auction though, before it finished.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    I talked with someone at New German Performance in Aberdeen, MD (a very highly touted "speed shop"). The guy there told me I would do better to put a Shine bar on my car to even out the body lean. I already have VW sport suspension from the factory. I am doing H&R lowering springs and maybe the Shine bar, along with the chip, soon. :)
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    I am 6'3, so a Miata is out of reach (well, fit) for me. :) They handle very nicely, from what I have heard (never been in one, see above). And supercharger kits go for about $3000 if I am not mistaken.

    The Stage 3 turbo package for the 1.8T is $4000, but it gives the car something like 280 wheel hp. Worth it in some peoples' eyes. I can't get it though, cuz my car's automatic... :(
  • AnakinAnakin Member Posts: 410
    Shine who?

    Beware of performance shops who may try to sell you cheap mods.

    It might be a decent part, but beware anyway. :)
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    Wait until 1000 miles to start modding the car, so everything can set, like Anthony said. Also, watch some mods because VW will void your warranty if they can link a mod to causing a problem with your car. This is less likely with suspension though, and more likely with something like a cold-air intake or chip.

    The bright red will be very alluring by police. I don't know what it is, but they seem to pick out a red car all the time when it's speeding. :( My advise: Get a radar detector or keep a very watchful eye on the speedometer. This car will totally get away from you if you're not paying attention to it. :)

    Also, happy 10,000 posts! :)
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    From what I have heard, the rear bar will change the ride a little, but it won't make it too jittery. I plan on getting the sport springs installed soon (when they get here!), and getting the rear bar. Maybe I will come to VA and let you take a spin once the mods are done so you know how it feels before you do it to your car. And, adding the bar will not make the car into a Miata that we all know you want. :) So don't be disappointed.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    Shine Racing. They are very well known actually.

    Check them out at www.srsvw.com
  • chmeeeechmeeee Member Posts: 327
    They actually make a really nice full suspension kit too if you want to improve your handling without lowering the car. I definitely do not want to lower mine, as it already scrapes on the crappy roads around Worcester when ruts form in the ice. I have also heard horror stories of people putting holes in oil pans, and a lower car has to increase the risk of that happening. Shine is also based out of a town nearby to me, so that works for me! :-)
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Member Posts: 6,249
    If you aren't changing your front sway bar, don't get a 28mm rear sway bar, you will have too much oversteer (for normal every day drivers).

    I've got the 28mm Neuspeed on the medium setting and VW's stock sport suspension and sways for the front. But I like oversteer...makes me feel like I'm driving a rwd car.
  • fish8fish8 Member Posts: 2,282
    I have a 2002 2.0.....
  • justinjustin Member Posts: 1,918
    I WILL have a Miata this spring. I have been looking already. I am trying to decide: buy a used one and keep the Jetta. Or trade the Jetta and buy a new one. That is my dilemma. I don't know if I could live with a used car, but sometimes they are such good deals! Buy a used Miata now in the winter for cheap, and have it for the summer!

    Seriously, I am getting one by Memorial Weekend. The sooner the better, deal wise though.

    If you wanna know anything about a Miata, try miata.net. They are great! Lots of performance stuff. More streamlined and focused that vwwortex since it is only regarding one car - the Miata. Everyone in the forums there is really patient with me, haha.
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Member Posts: 6,249
    I've seen all your posts on edmunds Miata boards. I know the miata performance and reliability - my sister owned one for years and one of my mom's cars is a 2000 Miata. I just don't know much about mods for it.

    As for buying used...I'll gladly drop 12-14k for a 2000 Miata over forking over 20k+ for a 2003. The Miata's nearly indestructible, cheap to repair and among the more reliable cars on the planet. I know you're afraid of the 99/2000s, so grab a 2001 for 16k and save yourself some serious dough. The only bad parts: two passenger, noisey engine and there's a certain stigma to single, neat, thin guys who drive them if ya get my drift. Oh well, the Jetta has the same stigma.
  • justinjustin Member Posts: 1,918
    why not an 02 for $15k with only 11500 miles? :)

    and the "stigma" does not bother me at all. the only image i will never be able to stomach would be the Camaro/Mustang/Firebird image, or the dreaded "Type R" 1997 Civic DX image...:)
  • cards28cards28 Member Posts: 145
    What kind would you recommend?

    I hope you guys don't mind if I use you like Consumer Reports. Before I buy anything, that's my main resource. There are other sources as well.

    I grew up in the muscle car era and since its demise there hadn't been too much talk about cars. At least not in my small world, anyway.

    It is fun :-D and interesting to follow all the discussions. It's like a class room with a lot of participation, you guys know what you're talking about. I'm and information junkie. So, go at it!!!

    Happy Motoring everyone!
  • justinjustin Member Posts: 1,918
    number one rule in here:

    do not bring up Consumer Reports!

    haha, just messing with you. but people (myself included) have heated opinions about CR in these boards...
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Member Posts: 6,249
    cards, it's pretty much universally accepted (save for radartest.com's review) that the Valentine V-1 is the absolute best radar detector money can buy. It's not cheap but it's unbelievably reliable for identifying bogeys (even supplying their direction). Additionally, the Valentine offers upgrades as new software comes around. Buy it once, have a detector for life.
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