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msrp is 22,000.00 dealer says 19500.00 is this a good deal before ttl. also can i get away with useing mid grade fuel instead of the premium fuel that is recomended for the turbo. will 89 octane harm the turbo?? cuz premium fuel is almost 190.00 a gallon here in miami.
Why are you buying a car you can't afford the fuel for? honestly. Say you do 15000 miles a year and you average 25 mpg with a Jetta 1.8T - 600 gallons a year or $1140 on gas. If you saved a measely $0.10 a gallon you'd only save yourself $60 over a year. you'd shortchange the performance of your car over a $1 a week?! Why? That makes no sense. Even if you went for 87 octane that's $0.20 cheaper than premium, you're only saving $2 a week. Pack your lunch one day for work and save the $2.
Don't buy the car if you're not willing to put the right gas in it...
And cry me a river over this $1.90 premium...I'm paying $2.35-2.45 depending on my luck. A 16 gallon fillup on my car is running over $35 now.
as far as the gas to use, i read a study somewhere in the Wash Post a few weeks back. basically, there is not a GASOLINE powered car on the planet that technically requires anything over 86 octane. dead serious. Porsche designers/technicians even said it. Nissan, BMW, Honda all admit it too. it doesn't even alter performance or MPGs. all a myth. not even a 12 cylinder BMW or a high revving S2000. you can use it - supporting terrorists by paying more though
Thanks!
Actually, the added cost is in the refining here in the U.S., so more doesn't actually go to the terrorists, THEY get the same amount regardless (dry humor added for yer eddification)
Just FYI!
and YES, the window regs are a pseudo-recall. you won't pay.
"but i thought it was nice to see quotes from people that build engines for the car"
Show me a quote from an engineer that says running regular in an engine that needs premium makes no difference.
the article i read was in in the automotive section of the Post. after two weeks you have to pay to get archives online, which i won't be doing for you.
also, who is feeding you this?
"if the manufacturer recommends premium and you use regular, your engine is operating with reduced performance. If you don't mind reduced performance, go ahead and save money."
you can bet that whoever it is is in bed with gas companies
but on to the Jetta. both of my Jettas ran the same and got the same MPG's on whatever gas i threw in it. 93, 89, or 87.
Actually, with regards to octane ratings, they have everything to do with everything. You need a little internal combustion 101.
(LOWER OCTAINE=FASTER BURNING)this can lead to pre-ignition.
If you go into your friendly dealership complaining about holes in the pistons.... they will suspect you have been running low-octane fuel. It is not worth saving a few dollars a year to run the wrong fuel.
I am not guessing at this, I am not relying on some article I read. I am trained in engineering. I have held pistons in my hands and have witnessed the damage done by pre-ignition.
The only dead horse will be your engine!
A 1.8T engine running on premium makes more power than one running on regular....GUARANTEED.
If your owners manual says to use regular and you use premium, you're wasting your money. If your owners manual recommends premium and you use regular, you are penny wise and pound foolish....
I run a TDI, which again in the CE Bentley's indicates a requirement for 49 cetane. Again in CA the cetane rating for #2 diesel is 45 and the other 49 states have a legal delivery requirement of 40 cetane.
To complete the listing.
The 2.0 engine lists 91 ron.
The 2.8 V6 engine lists 98 ron.
So unless there is a formula to the contrary, then octane=ron.
The 1.8T and the VR6 run on premium.
I think we should talk about Justin and his accord again. Atleast that was more interesting.
BTW - I'm looking to buy from Lithia VW in Northglenn, CO. Any advice on where to buy?
Jeremy
if you like free coffee at the vw service dept then get a jetta and you will be drinking lots of it to wash down the aspirin cuz of all the headaches your jetta will cause you.
I agree with the person who posted you a message a while back stating that you trash VW and why now are you inquiring about one. Are you really looking to buy a Jetta? or do you really hate VW as much as you claim in your posts? Everyone has a right to there opinion but be consistent. I posted my Jetta problems and my opinion of VW for those who are interested when doing there new/used car research and I also enjoy reading other peoples comments about how they feel about there car. Do you really hate VW or are you thinking of buying a VW? If you are thinking of buying a VW, what changed your mind? I think it would help someone who is truly interested in buying this car. Please let me know.
Thanks
We welcome all opinions, but if you do not even own a Jetta why would you be commenting and coming across as you have personal experience with VW's.
Jeremy: Since I live in the Southeast I have no recommendations on where to service a VW in CO. I would shop around and see who offers you the best deal on a Jetta. Then you can bring your car back for an oil change and see how the service experience goes. Sorry I could not be of more help. Whatever car you end up getting....enjoy!!
I live in Denver and have a 2000 VR6 Jetta. Over the period that I have owned this vehicle it has been to just about every Denver Metro VW service facility for one thing or another. By far the best in my book is Osborn VW in Lakewood. I have been going there for the past 2 years and they have excellent, prompt service and have been very good to work with. Having said that, I actually bought my new VW from Mountain States because they had the largest selection and were most willing to deal back in late 1999. Check out their web site, I believe it lists their inventory. Good luck! Mike
The first or second line of defense should be YOU. Specifically, I mean DIY! If you do not DIY, or have a group of trusted "shade tree types", then you are looking at paying shop prices for labor. In these here neck of the woods, that can range from a low of 75 dollars to 90 dollars per hr. A small example would be: for a TDI it costs app 26 dollars in parts and 10 min to 1 hour of DIY time to do a synthetic oil and oil filter change vs 60-72 dollars for the same service at a dealer.
and 3rd is the long basic bumper to bumper warranty. iam not so much concerned with the powertrain warranty cuz most powertrains usually last a long time with proper maintenence. its the other things that usually go wrong within a few years like electrical problems, ac, and other things not associated with the powertrain. honda, toyota, nissan, only 3-36 basic.acura, mazda,vw, ect 4-50 basic. you are more likely to experience electrical, and ac problems within that first couple years than you would powertrain problems, and even more so with the vw. but at least you have thelong basic bumper to bumper warranty with the vw.so thats about it.
I am really not a fan of "options" on a car. If I had my druthers, I would get a "no sound system option" and get one installed. In states that have a declining CAR TAX what you wind up paying is (in CA anyway) a declining tax ( declines 2% a year) for the LIFE of the CAR !! If you get a sound system, aftermarket, you only pay the tax once !!!
Yes, the VW Warranty does take some of the guess work out of the purchase decision. It provides a good piece of mind.
But his profile says he owns an Acura......
"hello all, well i finally just traded in my 2002 jetta 2.0 which was so problematic from the start that i took a loss on my loan just to get rid of it. anyway i got a new 2003 honda accord lx, and all i can say is the difference between the jetta that i had and the accord quality wise is night and day. the accord reeks of quality while the jetta reeks of well_ _ _ _ <.......you fill in the blank. anyway my take on volkswagen cars is this, volkswagen cars are alot like playing the stock market in that you toss and turn at night wondering if its going to perform at all, while on the other hand with the honda, you get piece of mind as well as a good nights sleep. no tossin n turning with my accord.thanx steve"
Brian
Everyone: Thanks for the help, especially colorado_kid. It'll help a lot once I go to get one. BTW, do you know where Osborne VW is? I know it's in Lakewood, but I live in Arvada and go to school in Thornton, so it's kinda outta my neighborhood. Do you have the cross-streets for me? Thanks.
One last thing: How is VW Credit to deal with?? I hope to get the 1.9% financing through them and I'm just curious if they give you the runaround or what. Thanks again!
Jeremy
Best of luck with your new purchase!
MK
one word of caution. the current jetta will be redesigned soon and promises to much improved. 6 speed transmissions, updated suspensions, 2.0t replaces 1.8t, more potent diesel engines and so on.
Jeremy
Fish: There are slight changes in 2004. The trunk line is a bit different as are the tail lights. There is also a chrome strip across the front bumper on GLS, GLX, and GLI trims.
Jeremy
Jeremy
why? You're working hard so you want to throw you money out the window? Why not just send it to me and we can make a bon fire.
If you've got enough for a 16k new car, buy an 8-10k used car, and put the money toward something useful like a 579 account for college.
If I got anything more than a GL 2.slow, my payments would be too high. Plus with a turbo engine my insurance would skyrocket, being that I'm 17 yr old male.
Buy something used and save yourself a lot of headaches. Right now the depreciation on ALL new cars is mindlbowing. My 01 Jetta 1.8T sold brand new for 21k. I bought it for 19k. how much did I get for it when I sold it after 2 years and only 30k miles? 12k. The car lost almost 50% in two years! When the Mrk V's come out the depreciation on the Jettas will be more severe.
So do you want to spend 16k (not including tax) on a new, unreliable VW (service costs alone will be insane) that will drop to below 8k in value by 2006? Why not grab a good car that's used and has suffered most of its depreciation and put your cash into something useful?
As far as what Blueguy said about problems and so on, the decision is yours. I knew of the existing MKIV problems when I bought mine, and still got it anyway because I had always wanted one. It didn't make the headaches any better, but I knew what I was getting so it wasn't a total surprise.
Good luck on whatever you decide.
On a positive note: I got almost 32 MPG last week. That is my best yet.
because the jetta may be unreliable would not mean the service costs would be insane. wouldn't any unscheduled service appointments be covered under the warranty? you'll still have the headaches though. i have a hunch that jeremy will be well on his next car by the time the warranty expires.
your point for someone in high school to get a new car isn't Unreasonable.