BMW 3-Series 2005 and earlier

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  • ccotenjccotenj Member Posts: 610
    i'd shoot for the 93, if possible... 92's have a few teething pains that may or may not have been taken care of by the original owner...

    what colin says is correct... service history is a must... if the oil changes/inspections have been done on a regular basis, that's a good sign... but i'd still spend a hundred bucks or so and get it checked out real good... you don't want to buy one of these and realize that you need to drop a new engine in it 6 months later...

    at 100k, you are looking at some wear part replacements... probably struts and ball joints, brakes if they haven't been done (and yes, you gotta replace the rotors at the same time as the pads)... belts... water pump (although that SHOULD have been done)... the darned plastic thermostat housing... probably an o2 sensor... muffler is probably reaching the "shot" phase... if automatic transmission, it might be approaching the "rebuild" stage (maybe/maybe not, conflicting information on this one with 3ers)... if it's a 318, make sure the profile gasket has been replaced (when did they "fix" that issue div?)... various other things will have reached the wear stage (like in my example of the fan clutch)...

    of course, all of the above would pretty much hold for any used car with 100k and 10 years on it...

    as far as "routine" maintenance for 12-15k per year... you are looking at an oil change and an inspection about once a year... if you do it at the dealer, around 100 for the "oil service" and around 300 for inspection 1 or 5-600 for inspection ii... less if you can find a good independent to do the work (again, NOT joe at the corner garage)...

    does that help?

    -Chris
  • div2div2 Member Posts: 2,580
    The profile gasket problem was corrected by late 1994. Most of the gaskets that failed should now have been replaced with the later improved gasket which solved the problem.
  • nerdnerd Member Posts: 203
    I bought one from autosportcatalog.com. They have a good buyers guide on their website to help you decide what to buy. I didn't do much price shopping, but their price was in line. I ordered it on-line, and it arrived directly from the manufacturer within a week. I am very pleased with it.
  • visionxpvisionxp Member Posts: 45
    however i have a few questions about what you wrote in there:)

    1) when you say "belts" what belts are you talking about? i thought they dont have timing belts but timing chains(im not a mechanic so i might be wrong)
    2)howcome it only needs one oil change per year?do they use synthetic or what?
    3)when is the inspection I necessary and when is the inspection II necessary? and whats the difference between these 2.

    thats pretty much it for now :-)
    btw im looking for a manual so the rebuilding wont be a problem hopefully.
  • andrew001andrew001 Member Posts: 10
    Guys. I'm planning to get 3M clear mask installed on the hood and front bumper on my 325. Any suggestion? what price will i be looking at?
  • eengstroeengstro Member Posts: 16
    One way to know when an E36 needs service is to consult the BMW Service Indicator lights on your dash. But, for a high-mileage car I think that they are a little too optimistic. Here's what I do for my '93:

    Oil change every 5000 miles
    Inspection I every 15000 miles
    Inspection II every 30000 miles

    Inspection I includes an oil change, plus inspection of other fluid levels, belts, lights, airbags, brakes, fuel system, exhaust, doors, transmission, change HVAC filter, etc.

    Inspection II includes all of Inspection I, plus new fluids*, new fuel filter, new air filter, new spark plugs, etc.

    * Except for brake fluid, which is replaced every 2 years, and coolant, which is replaced every 3 years.

    These engines do have timing chains, so "belt" refers to the belts that drive various accessories (alternator, AC compressor, etc.).

    Eric
  • visionxpvisionxp Member Posts: 45
    Inspection I every 15000 miles
    Inspection II every 30000 miles

    so if were looking at a car with lets say 100k miles that just had an inspection 2 performed on it.

    inspection wise the next inspection I will be at 115k ?
    what about inspection II? will that be at 130k (that is 15 k after Inspection I) or at 30k after the Inspection I(which would be at 145k) ?

    please clarify this for me :)
  • ccotenjccotenj Member Posts: 610
    yup, that's what i meant by belts... serpentines... timing chain should be good for the life of the engine... unless i'm misinformed on that one...

    yes, next inspection would be inspection i at 115k... inspection ii would be at 130k...

    that's about my schedule eric, ever since i crossed the 100k mark... change the oil halfway on the si lights... especially since most of my driving now is 5 miles at a time...

    -Chris

    ps. thanks div...
  • chashoangchashoang Member Posts: 19
    hey guys thanx for the advice. I still haven't tried the febreeze thing yet because they are fixing the door seal (drivers side because door doesn't close properly) on the 330ci. The car only has 7,000 miles on it and they explained that the door seals do break now and then on coupes. This is something that is common. Is this accurate? and if it is, after my warranty is over, what can i do or put on the seals to avoid this?

    Also, my privious car was a 2001 325 sedan with 20,000 miles on it. It seems like the 2002 330ci (7,000 miles) is so much loader in engine noise than the 2001 330ci (26,000 miles)i test drove and my old 325.. i know the 330 has 40 more ponies but would that make such a big difference since the 2001 seemed quieter? maybe it's just my imagination...did they change anything in the engine from 2001-2002?

    Also, does anyone know if Goodyear Eagles All season tires are any better than those crappy Continental touring tires they usually put on the car?

    thanx again guys and i'll keep you posted when i pick up the car on weds. the 6th.
  • visionxpvisionxp Member Posts: 45
    ok guys thank you very much ... that was very helpful.
  • mikekabrisky1mikekabrisky1 Member Posts: 28
    Anyone here from Houston?Anyone get a MiniCooper from Momentum at MSRP? I heard they were charging over MSRP. Thanks.
  • ipatty13ipatty13 Member Posts: 47
    Andrew,
    See reply 19936 on this forum for comments by bmw323is on this topic. Bavarian Autosport has this product listed on their website,

    I am thinking about this option as well, but haven't shopped around for the best prices.

    Steve
  • joes230joes230 Member Posts: 94
    chashoang said: "does anyone know if Goodyear Eagles All season tires are any better than those crappy Continental touring tires they usually put on the car?"


    Probably the best ultra-high perf. all-season tire is the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S. Tirerack.com tested it vs the regular summer performance Pilot Sport, and in general the A/S did about 85% of the dry performance. That's roughly equal to a mid to lower-mid pack summer performance tire. Not bad for an all season tire. The downside is it's very expensive. Some say the regular Pilot Sport tramlines more than the Contis, don't know about the A/S version.


    http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/mi_pilot_sports.jsp


    -- Joe

  • andrew001andrew001 Member Posts: 10
    give me some info about the prices etc..if you start to shop around.Thanxs again
  • jpierce26jpierce26 Member Posts: 60
    I recall a bit ago a method to purchase a new car. Does anyone remember where the link is?

    JP
  • jpnwdcjpnwdc Member Posts: 42
    visionxp - I would NOT recommend a '92 E36. I had a '92 325i and it was nothing but problems. From the transmission to the interior, it was constantly in the shop. Even the interior door panels had to be replaced because the vinyl started to separate from the backing.
    I believe Consumer Reports opinion of that year was agreed with my experience.

    I would get a later year model if I were you.
  • kominskykominsky Member Posts: 850
    Are you thinking of the Rizzo method?


    If so, here's the link...


    http://e46fanatics.com/faq/rizzo.html

  • jpierce26jpierce26 Member Posts: 60
    Thank you, I am thinking about trying this to the letter.

    JP
  • kominskykominsky Member Posts: 850
    I didn't use it so I can't vouch for how effective it is, but if the name has a connection to The Jerky Boys (Frank Rizzo is a character they do) it can't be all bad. LOL!
  • jpierce26jpierce26 Member Posts: 60
    Have you seen the "Crank Yankers" on the Comedy channel?
  • kominskykominsky Member Posts: 850
    I saw it once and it was pretty funny, but somehow the puppets ruined it for me. Too much like Sesame Street with adult themes. :-)
  • visionxpvisionxp Member Posts: 45
    really?

    can you give me some more info on this? like how many miles did it have when you bought it, when did you get it, for how much, what problems did you have, was it 2 dr or 4dr? auto or manual? why was it constantly in the shop?

    more info would be appreciated.
  • jpnwdcjpnwdc Member Posts: 42
    visionxp - it's been a while, so I'll tell you what I remember.

    I bought the car (from a BMW dealer) with only 19,000 miles on it. It was a 5-speed, 4 door. I don't remember what I paid. It was 8 years ago.

    The biggest repair was the complete replacement of the transmission not too long after I bought it. It would slip out of 1st gear on takeoff. It was replaced under warranty.

    Over the next year and a half, there were just a lot of small problems - both electrical and with the body hardware. Like I said before, the interior door panels started coming apart, the drivers door handle came apart, electrical glitches with the on-board computer, the front windshield defrost never worked effectively, drivers heated seat failed, etc. I'm sure there is more that I've forgotten.

    The car never left me stranded, but when the warranty expired I traded it. It was fun to drive. Probably more fun than my 2002 325i.

    I would get a later model year if I were you. 1992 was the first year for that body style. Also, I believe BMW did something in 1994 (or so) that increased the torque rating on the 325i's engine. You might want to do some research and get one with the improved motor.

    Good luck.
  • bmw323isbmw323is Member Posts: 410
    Andrew001 - I paid about $200 for my mask installed at a window tinting place. I found prices from $150 to over $400 (at the dealer). I believe $200 - $250 was about average. It also depends on whether you do more than just the hood. Many people also do the mirror backs and some do a piece under each door handle so womens nails don't scratch the paint. Some will cover the plastic bumper and front end.

    My best advice is to get some references if you are picky. I wasn't satisfied with my first installation, so I made them redo it. I'm not completely happy with the second one either. On dark cars with the oddly shaped BMW E46 hood, it is difficult to get a perfect installation.
  • spinellimspinellim Member Posts: 2
    Can you purchase an extended warranty on a two year old 323? I love my car as much as the day I bought it and it is now paid off! I just want to insure myself against major $$$ issues that may arise from the car.

    thanks
  • brave1heartbrave1heart Member Posts: 2,698
    My understanding is that you can do this for as long as your current warranty has not expired. Check with your dealer, though.
  • mikekabrisky1mikekabrisky1 Member Posts: 28
    How many of you have driven a new BMW 330ci and an Infiniti G35 Coupe? How do you compare them. I drove a G35 yesterday for the first time and it was awesome!! I drove my friend's 2002 330ci, but not the 2003 330ci. I have to give the G35 coupe the nod based on my test with the 2002 330ci. It corners like i've never seen before.
  • brave1heartbrave1heart Member Posts: 2,698
    You may find this discussion interesting -


    http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15128


    I saw the G35 coupe at the auto show this weekend. I had high expectations and I was let down. I think the car looks much better on pictures than it does in reality. The rear bumper is extremely bulky; the headlights are too fashionable for my taste; the dual exhaust is much too big and approaches grapefruit launcher territory; the interior is OK IMO but it looks much too techno for my taste with all that excessive brushed aluminum. Everything else about the car seems great - fresh new styling, pretty clean lines; great handling, braking, and acceleration. The car is a huge bargain for the money but it still has to prove itself in the market. Infiniti has done a great job here and it will probably take some of BMW's market share. Competition is all good news for consumers!

  • dave330idave330i Member Posts: 893
    The shop's done putting new tires on my car. Can't wait to pick it up, and give it a spin. :D
  • brave1heartbrave1heart Member Posts: 2,698
    Don't forget the break-in period of ~ 500 miles.
  • visionxpvisionxp Member Posts: 45
    "2002 330ci, but not the 2003 330ci."

    if im not mistaken i dont think they changed anything for 2003. so it should be pretty much the same as the one your friend has(depending on the options).
  • candyman85233candyman85233 Member Posts: 43
    Is there a town hall discussion on the 3 series convertibles?

    I am looking at the BMW 3 series, Saab 9-3 and Volvo C70 convertibles to choose from. I like a smooth ride and nice plush leather seats (as I am 6'2" and my wife is tall also (5'10") and we are both long legged, so we need leg room.

    We are looking at probly a year old one, as that is more in my price range. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I subscribe to the other town hall discussions, but cant find the bmw 3 series convertibles discussion.
  • andrew001andrew001 Member Posts: 10
    Thanxs again for your info!
  • dave330idave330i Member Posts: 893
    Considering how short my commute is, it'll be a long time before I get past ~500 miles. My friend tells me I need 2-3k miles before I get full grip.
  • brave1heartbrave1heart Member Posts: 2,698
    It will depend on the tire - my Sumi's kept getting better till at least 1,500 miles.
  • kominskykominsky Member Posts: 850
    and the kumho's took at least 2k miles before they were broken in (feel, not grip)... actually, I think they're still improving (~10K miles).
  • dave330idave330i Member Posts: 893
    Looks like the rainy season officially started today. Now I'm really glad I got my tires replaced when I did. If I was still on my Contis, I know I'd be slipping, and traction control kicking in constantly.

    Even though the S-03s are new, wet traction is far superior to the broken in Contis.
  • kominskykominsky Member Posts: 850
    For those of you who have driven your BMW's in wintry weather - Do recommend throwing bags of sand or kitty litter or whatever in the trunk for extra weight when driving in the snow/ice? I see an advantage in having the extra weight on the drive wheels but a disadvantage of changing the balance of the car. What are your experiences? Thanks!
  • gt4megt4me Member Posts: 58
    work best. Muhahah!!
  • kominskykominsky Member Posts: 850
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    don't do it, kominsky. get proper tires for the weather and you don't need ballast. near 50/50 weight distribution is plenty.

    -Colin
  • riezriez Member Posts: 2,361
    But wouldn't the laws of physics support the hypothesis that adding a reasonable amount of weight, even with good snow tires, should bring some winter driving benefits? The weight would be over the drive wheels. Just as with a FWD car where the engine's weight is right over the drive wheels. All we are talking about is improving traction. Added weight, say no more than a couple hundred pounds, would seem to help. (It would likely hurt handling balance and ride, but if you are worried about snow, maybe those considerations aren't too critical in winter and you just wait until spring when you remove the weight?)
  • huntzingerhuntzinger Member Posts: 356
    But wouldn't the laws of physics support the hypothesis that adding a reasonable amount of weight, even with good snow tires, should bring some winter driving benefits? The weight would be over the drive wheels.

    It does help some, but it can also hurt because you now have more mass that you need to start & stop.

    Generally speaking, if the basic weight distribution is "bad" (IMO, less than 40% on the drive wheels), its worth carrying the extra weight over the drive wheels.

    Nevertheless, I generally carry some sand or kitty litter anyway, from a "get unstuck" traction aid device, regardless of what the vehicle is.

    -hh
  • jb_shinjb_shin Member Posts: 357
    A couple months back, Automobile Magazine compared 911 Turbo, Aston Martin Vanquish, SL55, 575M, and Murcielago. There was a side story on dynamic weight distribution. If 50/50 is the holy grail, then how come 911 has always had virtually unmatched braking performance, or how come it accelerates so well (weight, power considered among the group). For handling, 50/50 may play a big part among other things, but it was an interesting read.
  • joes230joes230 Member Posts: 94
    mikekabrisky1 said: "How many of you have driven a new BMW 330ci and an Infiniti G35 Coupe? How do you compare them."

    Not coupes, but I formerly owned a G35 sedan and now have a 330i SP 5-speed. Had to get rid of the G35 because I have arthitis and the G35 seating position hurt me on long drives.

    The G35 is a great car, and anybody interested in this market segment (coupe or sedan) should test drive the G35. It has tremendous power, braking, interior room (sedan), and very good handling. You really got a lot of bang for your buck. I especially liked the ride/handling tradeoff on my G35 sedan. It was relatively smooth, yet still handled very well. By contrast my 330i SP can be somewhat choppy on certain roads.

    The G35 steering had a good sense of "straight ahead", making it a good highway car. My 330i on certain road surfaces tends to "hunt" or wonder a little, requiring more correction.

    That said, the 330i handles better at about 8/10ths and above. Pushed really hard, the 330i always tells you the situation -- no surprises. By contrast when pushed hard, my G35 sometimes scared me, although at 8/10ths and below it was fine.

    The 330i has more linear throttle response, and the engine is significantly quieter at high revs than the G35.

    For some reason reviewers never mention these, but the G35 has several refinement shortfalls: no telescoping steering column, no fore/aft adjustable headrest, no self-leveling xenons, no lighted steering wheel buttons, no adjustable theigh support, left armrest very hard.

    If you've got the money I think the 330i is still a better car all things considered. However for many people the G35 will give sufficient handling, power and refinement to suit them, at a lower price. If you're talking about a 325i vs a G35, I have to give the G35 the edge (roughly the same price, depending on options). The power advantage is just so great it compensates (for me) the small lack of refinement in a few areas.

    Definitely test drive both cars. IMO the G35 is the first car truly competitive with the 3-series. The 3 still retains an edge, but BMW had better get on the ball with the enhancements.
  • mschukarmschukar Member Posts: 351
    If 50/50 is the holy grail, then how come 911 has always had virtually unmatched braking performance, or how come it accelerates so well

    It’s my understanding that the 911 has more weight on the rear than the front. When you brake, the moment from the force applied from the ground to the tires and the center of gravity decelerating causes weight to shift to the front tires. This would cause the 911 to have more even (ie better) braking force front to back than a car with 50/50.

    Likewise, under acceleration, more weight in the rear of a RWD car is beneficial for traction.

    -murray
  • jb_shinjb_shin Member Posts: 357
    I wasn't actually asking a question, that was the point of the article.
  • mschukarmschukar Member Posts: 351
    My opps :-)

    Just curious, did my answer agree with the article?

    -murray
  • pholliephollie Member Posts: 45
    I've got the bug for one of these babies after test driving on a lark yesterday. The salesman tells me that the 1999 is the newer body style and a much better car, but its still a bit more than I can pay right now. Should I just wait until I can get the money for the 1999 or is there an earlier 3-series that drives as nice and is relatively reliable??
  • jb_shinjb_shin Member Posts: 357
    Yes, it did.
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