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Toyota Echo



  • kaz6kaz6 Posts: 331
    slugline, you're not the only one that noticed that review! I almost bust a gut at how they said, "you quickly adjust to looking to the right"! Whatever...
    It seems a BMW interior has no faults. Edmunds is not the only review that displays a double standard.
    I personally like the placement of the pod both stylistically and ergonomically. When I do a 4 hour drive in the desert night I appreciate not having the glare of an instrument panel in my face and I always appreciate the unobstructed view afforded by the Echo's dash.
  • An Echo wrecking with an Echo.
  • Okay, that was posted after your comment so I am still wondering what Echoing I have done that you find outrageous.

    BTW, I guess you can't read between the lines.

    What I meant in post #2368 is that if I private sold my car, I would get more than what I owe.

    FWIW, there was a space of a few weeks where a used Echo was going for more than a new Echo. Strange but true. Of course, during this time you couldn't find a new Echo.

    That might have had something to do.

    So Fangio, before post #2368, what have I said that was outrageous?
  • I have an Echo and I like it alot, but don't understand the logic of why a used model might sell for more than a new one, unless there was a severe shortage of Echo's around. I see plenty of them here in south east Florida, mostly 4 door, most with body cladding, and white and red seem to be the most prevelent colors. I like the red best, but though red may fade in the hot Florida sun, so I went for the silver (and a 2 door, which I now regret). Or I suppose on the resale you may make a profit if you got an especially great deal when you bought it new, but in SE Florida at least, Toyota dealers seem to offer little bargaining power and no incentives at all on Echo's (unlike on Corolla's w/ tons of incentives). Maybe because they are available in much smaller numbers and don't need incentives to sell?
  • FWIW, the current Blue Book also shows that a 2000 used Echo's asking price is more than what it cost when new.
  • fangio2fangio2 Posts: 214
    We could buy some new Echos,title them and sell them as used.This could be a gold mine.We might need to store them somewhere for a year or two.We could get some land Louisville.We would be selling aged Kentucky Echos.Send me the money now.
  • mdrewmdrew Posts: 32
    1.LOOKS (believe it or not it was love at first sight when I first saw one on the street and didn't know what it was. I hate all the generic-looking sedans, but wanted a good quality car like them. Bingo.

    2. HIGH SEATING POSITION and visibility. I love being high up but don't like SUVs; have a narrow driveway onto a busy street that's hard to see out of. I couldn't believe how the little Echo towers over other sedans (without getting in other people's way).

    3. THIS BOARD. Reading the Focus and New Beetle Edmund Topics was scary, at least last year; I haven't read them lately. So many problems and complaints at the time; I was really put off. You had to know the Echo was a great car reading how many owners were happy with it and how few serious complaints there were. Not like one testimonial, but hundreds.

    The Edmunds bias against this car is such a joke; I'm convinced it all stems from the looks. All the concern about safety, when 5 other cars in the same weight class and probably less reliable, get positive reviews without safety warnings (e.g. "We like the Suzuki Swift" (all 1,895 pounds of it).

    Approaching 10,000 miles on my seafoam blue 4 dr auto and glad I made the move.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    You are not alone for liking the distinct styling of the ECHO. Sure, there are those who don't like it, but many do. I don't sell a huge number of these cars, but the ones I do are to people who are absolutely love it.

    I can explain the double standard of Edmunds. The reviews are written by different people. Evidently, the guy who does economy cars is unenlightened as to the benefits of the center pod while the performance sedan guy knows a good thing when he sees it. I think it is a compliment to the ECHO to know that the performance guy likes the idea.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,694
    I also disagree with the review of the ECHO by Edmunds, but I thought they had one point...the resale value of the ECHO is probably less than that of the Civic. A point to consider when buying a new car. As far as used ECHOs being worth more than when new, no one in their right mind would pay more for a used car than it sold for new. The ECHO is an excellent car, however.
  • ckdk82ckdk82 Posts: 4
    I bought a 2000 Echo used. It did not have a Toyota recommended schedule of maintenance with it. Does anyone know where I could get a copy of this? The dealers recommended service is for their benefit, not the owners. Thanks.
  • sluglineslugline Posts: 391
    Keep in mind that buyers in the Phillipines have a different array of cars available for purchase, but I thought the ECHO-lovers here might find this review of the 1.3L five-door hatch interesting:
  • janbeejanbee Posts: 127
    I dont know if it was the U.S. or Canadian Toyota site but it had a maintaince schedule on it...check it out...I think it was in the owners section (I have a feeling it was the Canadian site I saw it in but Im sure they would have it somewhere on the U.S. site)
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    The US site does not have the maintenance schedule. Your car should have come with a book covering that. Service intervals are at 5000 miles or 7500 depending on driving conditions. I personally, suggest 3000 or 5000.
  • janbeejanbee Posts: 127
    As I was waiting at a red light, I turned my wipers on to wash my windows. there was a leaf draggin along the drivers side wiper so I opened my window and grabbed the leaf as the wiper passed upwards, well I musta grabbed the wiper along with the leaf cause the wiper went way up over the side pillar that runs along the window. It ended up leaving a scratch along the pillar and now the one wiper doesnt work. It seems like it snapped out of place. A buddy of mine is a mechanic at honda, so if it doesnt rain tomorrow Ill get him to look at getting it to work again, but how will i get rid of that scratch?? And do you think the wiper will be more than just snapping into place???
  • kaz6kaz6 Posts: 331
    Thanks for the link to the review! It pretty much sums up my feelings about my Echo! It's amazing how much power there is past 2nd gear!!!
    Cliffy, what is your recomendation based on? I was told that the owner's manual/schedule of maintenance has to pass muster with legal so the mileage recomendations are conservative... do you like your Tundra? My friends have one and rave about it!
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,694
    5k miles or four months:

    change oil and filter, rotate tires, inspect the following: air filter, ball joints, drive shaft (boots) brake linings, steering linkage and boots, nuts and bolts on chassis and body

    at 15k intervals do the above plus inspect the exhaust system. Hold a rag over the tailpipe with the engine running. If there is no back pressure you have a hole. Dont let pressure build up for long though or you could blow the muffler off!) also: inspect brake lines and hoses

    30 k miles or two years: 5 k service plus: replace air filter, replace coolant (I dont know about this one, Toyota says the car comes with "long life" coolant, but two years is a normal drain interval) replace spark plugs (but you can get platinuim ones that last 60k) replace manual trans oil, inspect fuel tank cap gasket, inspect fuel lines and fuel system for leaks. I would also suggest replacing brake fluid/clutch fluid at this point also, but the manual doesnt call for it.

    60k miles adjust valves
  • janbeejanbee Posts: 127
    well I got my mechanic friend to look at it, and it was sooo simple. all he did was take the cap off the base of the wiper and tighten the screw (I had no idea that this cap came off to reveal the screw) Now I just have this scratch about 1 1/2-2 inches on the drivers side pillar, he said it seemed quite deep and that I should take it to a body shop, and they would prob have to rebuff the whole drivers side pillar, my poor baby....I also noticed while washing the car today that in my right rear tail light I have a dead ladybug and in the left light is a dead the #$^% did they get in there?? LOL
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,694
    I took off the black plastic cover that goes over the valve cover yesterday in a futile effort to locate the block drain for the coolant system. (the SM shows the drain on the front of the block in one illustration and on the rear of the block in another) On the valve cover I found a fastener just like the ones that secure the plastic "tray" around the inlet vents to the interior which are just below the wipers. It seems the assemblers dropped this fastener onto the valve cover before installing the secondary cover. So for $13,100 (bottom line) I got an new ECHO AND a spare fastener! I wonder what else is in the car?
  • mccallrmccallr Posts: 19
    I purchased my 2001 5-sp, 4-dr, Echo last week and the only quirk I noticed was that you can't swing the passenger-side sin visor without hitting into the rear view mirror. The driver's side visor is fine. Does anyone else have the same problem? The only workaround is to unsnap the passenger side visor and move it around the rear view mirror before flipping it up or down. I'd appreciate any feedback. By the way, my first tank of gas resulted in 43.7 mpg (around town). I really enjoy the car.
  • lgoldinlgoldin Posts: 90
    Hi all. I am looking for the small car for my parents with the lowest cost of ownership for 4 years. I narrowed my choice to Elantra and Echo. Since I live in Canada and they live in Nebraska, I have no idea what should I expect there in terms of price. I am looking for 4 years lease automatic, with power lock. Can anyone from Omaha area suggest good dealer and what deal I can get there with 0 down?
    Your input would be really appreciated. Thanks.
  • I ended up letting my roommate drive my car last night. I figure after ten months of her sitting in the passenger seat, she should get to have some fun. And plus I only let her drive a mile.

    She prefers automatics and my Echo is a manual, but she was very pleased with how smoothly the shifting went.

    Don't tell her, but I think she drove the car better than I do.
  • I just turned 30,000 miles on my '00 and thought I'd check in. I'm averaging around 35 MPG in leadfooted short-distance commuting (around 10 miles one-way). I've had no problems whatsoever. The ECHO is just plain fun to drive (and to own) and I'm still in love with the car. If you're looking for a brilliant small car, this it it!

    Happy ECHOing!
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    I just distrust the ability of oil to do its job beyond 5K miles or 4 months. I suppose if you did exclusively highway driving, that might be different but for most users, that is not realistic. I guess its a personal preference, but I still do mine every 3K miles.

    As to the Tundra, I love it. My lease is up next year and I'm already planning on another one. There is nothing like in a pickup.
  • I have had my little red echo for exactly one year now. I love it as much as I did the first day. I have about 8,000 miles on it. Which I think is pretty low mileage for one year. I have taken it on two long distance trips and it did great. Only boo-boos I have had were a few paint chip spots from rocks thrown on my hood and one tiny ding in the drivers door that only I can see. This is a great car. Everyone who rides with me tells me how suprised they are with this great little car.
    Also, never ever get wax on the body cladding. I got Turtle Wax paste on it (actually my daughter did). Windex did not take it off, but rubbing alcohol did. However, it made the cladding look washed out, so I used Armor-All for rubber and plastic on it. The cladding looks showroom new.
    If you live in KC and drive an Echo,it is probably me that waves and honks when I see you in your Echo.
  • Where in the heck have you been? You have not posted in so long and neither has the other male Echo owner in KC.

    In case you are wondering this is the former Echoluvrst. Remember that I too live in Kansas City. I changed my name in honor of my Echo.

    Yes, I finally got my Echo. Not sure if you knew that or not. It is a 2001 in black sand pearl with four doors and a manual transmission. I have had it since the last weekend in December. Almost ten months and slightly over 16k miles. Still loving it.

    I have to go, but can I suggest one thing?


    Happy Echoing.
  • kaz6kaz6 Posts: 331
    Cliffy, Consumer Reports did a study of motor oil in NYC taxicabs. What they found was that even with 7,000mi intervals there was no significant breakdown of viscosity nor engine wear.I believe they did 3k,5k, and 7k groups.
    They also reported that as synthetics go, Mobil 1 was the only one to provide added protection under extreme heat. They found other brands to be corrosive to the engine. I suppose that's why Porsche calls for Mobil 1 oil.
    I watch the color of my oil and the color does not seem darker at 5k intervals. I use Mobil 1 5-30.
    Btw, do you know if there will be any hatch versions of the Echo coming soon? I wish there was a 5-door available. Matrix looks good too.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    Call me old fashioned, but I'll continue to do my oil at 3 to 5K intervals and I lease mine.

    As to a possible hatch back, I haven't heard of anything in the ECHO line. There will be a Corolla coming this winter that will be a "sport wagon" version. I realize this isn't a hatch back, but will offer the benefits of one. It will be called the Matrix and there will be a couple of versions of it, including one with the 180 hp Celica GTS engine, 6 speed transmission and all wheel drive. I think there will be a more budget conscious variant as well. We'll have more details in December.
  • kaz6kaz6 Posts: 331
    As always, thanks for the info! Now if only the dealership I bought mine at were as helpful!
    Yes, I saw the Matrix but I think it's out of my price range for a small car. :(
    If anyone out there has upgraded to 15" wheels on their Echo, please let me know what you got and the results re: mpg and ride. As the Echo is so light to begin with, I'm thinking of buying plain steel wheels in larger size.
  • janbeejanbee Posts: 127
    If anyone is interested in one I saw one advertised on Ebay for $24.99...
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