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Honda Civic 2005 and earlier



  • devoredevore Posts: 39
    You're calling your new car a "lemon" because there's something wrong with the front power window? It sucks that it busted, and was fixed, and broke again, but that's hardly enough to call something a lemo.

    Either it's an incredible conincidence or there's something legitimately wrong with the window. I'm sure the dealer will fix it. If it's something they haven't seen before, it may take more than one try.

    Certainly this is frustrating, but I wouldn't think a broken power window would cause you to think the car's a lemon... did you buy the car for the power windows? :)
  • That does suck about the window. However, had he bought an Elantra and the EXACT same thing happened, people would be saying it is a lemon!

    readytobuy: I don't think they will build enough Corollas to overtake Civic--unless Civic sales fall off or something.
  • true. Toyotas and Hondas are given a lot more leeway before they're called lemons. Normally if it's a Honda or Toyota with a problem, well "it must be fluke". But if it happens to just about any other brand "see I told you they were junk!".

    By the way, I don't think the window problem makes that Civic a lemon though.
  • soberssobers Posts: 496
    Its good that your wife likes the Corolla. Give her the Corolla! It has non-idependent suspension from MY2003 & dumb/numb steering! Prev Corolla with independant suspension was tested to have 56mph in Slalom! with these changes I guess it will be good for 52!! :-))

    It is called reputation & reputation is achieved by TOTAL QUALITY CONTROL which Honda/Toyota have in spades. Even other [non-permissible content removed] companies except Nissan maybe CANNOT match Honda/Toyota in quality department & that is truth!
  • Honda and Toyota rule the world. Good products, and I've owned a few, I just don't know why I wasn't brainwashed like you were. Maybe I didn't press a button on the dash or something.....
  • dtownfbdtownfb Posts: 2,918
    It will be hard for the Corolla to beat out the Civic since they are only building 250,000 units. The Civic sold what? 350,000 last year.

    remember Toyota is using the Matrix (or Vibe) to attract the younger buyers.
  • First, the sales fugures are what I was talking about. Unless the 2003 Corolla blows up and they run double time to increase production, they just won't make enough to overtake the Civic.

    Secondly, the brochure says they have a rear beam suspension; but, when I went to look at them, the window sticker said they had 4 wheel independent suspensions. I thought that was too strange, so I called Toyota and they confirmed the sticker.

    I do agree that Hondas and Toyotas are given much more leeway on quality control issues. But, I do not think a faulty window makes a lemon, either.
  • according to Toyota's own site the new Corolla's supension setup consists of:

    "Independent MacPherson strut front, torsion beam rear suspension with front and rear stabilizer bars"

    Doesn't sound like an independent rear to me.
  • dtownfbdtownfb Posts: 2,918
    250,000 is all Toyota plans to sell...Period. You can't increase production if you don't have the parts for it. they will make up the difference with the Vibe.

    Could they sell more if they could make more? I don't know. I haven't driven the new corolla..or any Corolla. I can't fit behind the wheels. I have long legs (6'4" 35 inseam).
  • mralanmralan Posts: 174
    I created a post titled "Which auto maker makes the best manual tranny". Honda received many votes. Then, I posted a question comparing the Civic to the Accord's manual tranny, but didn't get a response. So, I decided to take my question to the source ... Civic owners. Do you agree Honda has the "best feel" for manual shifters? Also, how does the feel of the Civic tranny compare to the Accord's?
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Posts: 2,228
    The sticker is not lying to you. A torsion beam suspension may not provide the best suspension geometry in extreme handling manuevers, but it is considered independent depending on how it is set up. Nissan's beam axle is considered rigid, but Toyota's and Chrysler's torsion beam and VW's twist beam are considered independent. Each wheel moves independently over bumps through the use of flexible arms and a flexible cross car beam (thus the name twist beam or torsion beam), so they are classified as independent. There is nothing wrong with this design. VW has been using it for years and other then the soft shock settings they have put on their cars, they are known for excellent handling and steering.
  • Yesterday I stopped at a stereo place (good rep, in business 25 years). They recommended a Pioneer MOFSET 50 (modelDEHP4400) which pushes out 50w x 4. Also Pioneer speakers for door and rear. Total estimate $600. Has anyone else put in new sound? Does the above sound about right? Too much? Not enough? Thanks.

    PS: Tomorrow, Monday, I plan to go to the dealer to work on the deal to trade the 96 Accord for a new Civic EX.
  • toyo_ztoyo_z Posts: 47
    Hi, forgive me if a discussion is already going on about this elsewhere.

    The article about the 2003 Civic Hybrid was intriguing, but I saw no mention of availability of the new car. Anyone have an idea about Honda's prodcution schedule, and when we can expect to see the hybrid in local showrooms?

    I can't wait to check it out.
  • rfruthrfruth Posts: 630
    The Civic hybrid was released for sale in Japan last fall it is due in the U.S. this spring can hardy wait myself I currently have a plain ole gas powered Civic hatchback (5 speed manual) and am quite pleased with it, the transmission is sure & smooth.
  • rfruthrfruth Posts: 630
    Didn't know a Edmunds first drive review of the Civic hybrid was available or would have posted it - what isn't mentioned is saving oil means we import less.
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    ...for the Civic Hybrid. Local dealer says mid-April, with no allocations as yet. He's to call me as soon as more info develops on price and availability.
  • soberssobers Posts: 496
    250,000 corolla sales include 10-12% sales to Fleet/Rental companies. Also it is sold with hefty rebates under "Chevy Prism" name.

    Civic Hybrid is supposed to have "2000 per month" sales pace according to Honda

    Corolla has NEVEN been able to compete with Civic on overall product appeal for last 12 years, I do not think that happpening anytime soon!

    On the other Hand Civic would cross 350K with the 15000 new Sis & 12K more Hybrids
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    ...while I'm waiting for the Civic Hybrid, I just drove a 2003 Corolla today, and in my very experienced opinion, it beats the current Civic in just about every department: more room, better ride, quieter, lower price, quicker, and comparable EPA numbers on the LE Corolla vs the EX Civic. Given the enormous price difference [I can get a well-equipped LE automatic with everything I need for a street price of around $16k, including ABS] between this car and the Civic Hybrid, which I think will retail between $20-$21k with the CVT, it would take me about 30 years to make up the difference. I'm still planning on trying the Hybrid before making a final decision, but today's test sure was an eye-opener...
  • rfruthrfruth Posts: 630
    Heard (but can't find a link) that Honda's sales goal (which also happens to be the break even point per Honda) for the Civic hybrid is 50,000 vehicles per year in the U.S. thats about 4200 per month. Anyway as most everyone here knows it's more than just a matter of how long it will take to recoup the money if a hybrid, gasoline is subsidized and its really costing us + who knows what tax credits etc a hybrid might qualify for nothing wrong with Toyota but I'd consider the Prius.
  • rfruthrfruth Posts: 630
    Might recoup the extra $$$ spent on a hybrid pretty quick if something like this goes through.
  • I would like to replace my current car in a year or so and the standard Civic and the Civic Hybrid are possibitlies, especially if that Hybrid tax credit makes it through. But I didn't know until I sharpened and figured it out just how long it would take to make up the initial cost in fuel savings!

    Compairing 37mpg (EX -manual) to 50mpg (out-of-rear estimate for hybrid) and assuming $3000 cost difference and $1.50 / gallon for gas you would have to drive 284,000 miles to make up the initial $3000! And that doesn't include interest.

    I thought the difference might be made up after 150,000 miles or so. I was supprised. 'Course its not such a big deal if the gas and emissions you save is worth more to you than just the money you would save in gas. This was a suprise to me.
  • soberssobers Posts: 496
    It is amazhing how we cannot think in a global fashion. The gasoline REAL cost to Federal Govt is around 4 BUCKS It is heaviliy subsidized by the Feds to promote travels/auto industry & economy etc. So the cost of gasoline to the USA is $4 PER GALLON & NOT $1.50 as you guys are saying!! Now calculate how much a Hybrid vehicles saves USA's dependance on the axis of 'evil' oil!! :-))
  • mudd4mudd4 Posts: 10
    Hi, I have a 98 civic lx and was going to change the oil myself soon for the first time. I went to to order my filter. It seems that they offer different size filters for the 98 civic lx. Some are 82mm H & 84mm W. Another is 75mm H & 84mm W. Another is 80mm H by 84mm W. Does it matter what I get? After all, it says they are for the 98 civic lx/dx/cx.

    Are they a good place to order from? Anywhere else recommended?

  • dtownfbdtownfb Posts: 2,918
    Call your nearest honda dealer and ask for the part number. or check the back of the manual for a part number. Or go to the nearest Autozone, Parts America, etc to get the filter.

    good luck.
  • How did you come up with that price of 4.00 per gallon?
  • carguy62carguy62 Posts: 545
    I also did a quick calculation and I came up with something like >300 fill ups until you break even. Maybe I did something wrong, though. Either way, I don't think people are buying these to save money, they are buying them (or will be) to do their little part. Supposedly if the Civic Hybrid does well they will expand the technology to other models, with the CR-V next.

    Unfortunately I couldn't wait. Maybe next time.
  • soberssobers Posts: 496
    with all the processing costs etc. You can check the countries which do not subsidize the gas, they have a rate of 3.75$ per gallon (that too is a subsidized rate) example : UK/India etc

    So when you say 399 fillups etc you are thinking just about YOU & not what you could save for your country.
  • dtownfbdtownfb Posts: 2,918
    Kind of rough when you describe someone who drives a Honda civic as beign selfish. What does the Civic get with an auto....30 city/ 38 hwy??? Not too bad if you ask me. If they were driivng Ford Excursion then maybe your argument might have value.

    I still don't understnad how you justify $3.75 as the "unsubsidized" price of gas. I pay $0.99-$1.03 for regular gas. About 30-40% of that is tax. Tax that goes to highway improvements, maintenance, road cnstruction, etc. So you are telling me the at the government is artificially lowering the price of gas then taxing me to pay for interstate highway improvement, etc.?

    carguy62: your calcultions are probalby accurate. this is one of the problems with the hybrid technology, the initial cost is expensive for the conumer. But the Civic Hybrid is the most promising to date. I imagine in a few years it will be only $1000 more then conventional cars thus making it a viable option.
  • soberssobers Posts: 496
    I am not talking about sopecifically Civic owners but about the mentality with respect to fuel economy. Most us consumers are not aware what 'ACTUAL' price of gas is. What you pay is Federal susidized price. If feds get out of this subsidy it would cost more than $3.60 per Gallon

    Ofcourse your point is well-taken about 30-38 mpg of Civic. I was rather talking about fule saving mentality "it would take 28,000 miles to justify the expense" I would rather like to see Govt giving Hybrid owners/manufactureres some cash incentive for the price of fuel saved. 60% of us oil comes from Arab countries. Menas evry time you fill up the tank 60% of $$ is going to the Arab regime!!!
  • soberssobers Posts: 496
    60% of your bill & Federal money
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