Volkswagen Passat 2005 and earlier

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  • warthogwarthog Member Posts: 216
    Thanks, rob. That worked.
  • wies1wies1 Member Posts: 14
    I noticed my engine light has come on again. This is the fourth time this year I had it in the dealership for an air mass flow sensor problem the week before. They fixed that and I drove it a few times afterwards and the light has come on again and is now flashing. I have noticed also that the car is vibrating as well. I am going to take the car in for service but was wondering if anyone else has experienced this vibrating? Does it have something to do with the air mass? I hate to keep shelling out $$ each time the light goes on and it seems like it is alot for a 2001 Passat GLS with 44,000mi.
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Member Posts: 1,681
    I had an O2 sensor replaced because my check engine light went on (under warranty so didn’t have to pay). It went off because my wife didn’t turn the gas cap all the way; it needs 3 clicks. It didn’t flash, it was just on (99.5 A6 2.8). I think the flashing means it’s something serious.

     

    Do you think the vibrating is related to the check engine light? Or is it under braking?
  • birdboybirdboy Member Posts: 158
    Please share your advice with me regarding extended warranty for an 02 Passat 1.8t. I am nearing the four year mark and have had the usual ignition coil replacement, engine light, flasher units, radio and headlamp problems.

    I am uneasy about keeping the car without coverage. I understand there have been engine problems due to sludge related problems. I have regularly serviced the car and change the oil at 3,000mi. The dealer gave me two companies, one by universal underwriters group, called complete care, the other by GE warranty Services. Any and all suggestions and opinions would be welcomed.. Thanks
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Member Posts: 5,343
    Is there no CPO warranty program from VWoA?

     

    If I had my choice, I would take "factory" extended waranty coverage over alternatives.

     

    My guess is that such coverage to 100,000 miles would be available to you for around $1200 (and perhaps a bit of negotiation could help this number somewhat).
  • wies1wies1 Member Posts: 14
    It was tested that the ignition coil was bad. That part was not under warranty. They gave me a break on the labor since I just had it in a couple of weeks ago for the air mass sensor which I guess caused the coil to go bad?
  • matt1544matt1544 Member Posts: 1
    I've read the wiper discussion from previous posts, but do have one question:

     

    This www site appears to offer a left version and a right version wiper blade for an 03 Passat. I "online chatted" with the CS desk there, and the guy assured me that this was a replacement blade for the 03 passat (I think he's wrong because the site says it's for 2001+ years). Anyone find an aftermarket wiper for the passat that they like? Or should I just go buy the Anco refill and do it myself?

     

    thanks

    matt

     

    http://replacement.autopartswarehouse.com/parts/autopartswarehous- e/wizard.jsp?year=2003&make=VW&model=PAS--004&categor- y=All&part=Wiper+Blade
  • pciskowskipciskowski Member Posts: 155
    I put a new set of Anco inserts in this weekend and it took me about 15 minutes. Cost? $5 total.
  • fish8fish8 Member Posts: 2,282
    I am going to be completely honest: Those VW's have WAY too many miles on them to be reliable transportation. Especially the Passat. ANY car with over 130,000 miles is very risky, but a VW with that many miles is even more scary. The scariest part is you really have no idea on how the car has been driven all those miles. How was the car maintained? Accidents? Also, it appears the Passat has been modified, which would lead me to believe that it has probably been driven hard.

     

    If you have not heard, VW tend to be VERY expensive to maintain and repair and at those miles, you will be in for some wallet draining repair visits.
  • p100p100 Member Posts: 1,116
    Sounds like total nonsense to me. What exactly is"coolant migration"? Is this another fancy term VW invented for a coolant leak problem to make it sound highly technical and acceptable?

     

    I had a coolant overflow bottle leak in my 99 Mazda. Hot coolant leaked into the A/C compressor clutch electrical harness connector, which is located directly below the coolant reservoir. This caused intermittent A/C malfunction until A/C finally quit for good (current was not getting to the compressor clutch). I had no other problems due to this coolant leak, and it certainly did not "travel through the electrical system", which is physically impossible. Electrical harness is not porous like a sponge or a series of tubes so coolant could travel through it or get soaked up into it.

     

    I assume that they are only replacing your engine electrical harness. Two weeks time to do this is ridiculous. This should be a one day job at most (assuming they have parts on hand).

     

    I am providing my comments only based on my experience with other vehicles. I owned one VW in my life and never again - it has been 17 years since I sold that lemon. It had 10k miles on it when I sold it. Nobody could fix it. What you are describing (melted converter, destroyed O2 sensors, etc. sounds like an exaggerated story or is the result of totally incompetent repair. My advice is: let VW replace everything on your car, and then make absolutely sure it runs to your satisfaction. If they refuse, get a lemon attorney.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Member Posts: 5,343
    It is a free country and all, but I am wondering if you are so "displeased" with VW why you even bother to participate here on a VW town hall.

     

    I currently do not own a VW, but still consider them to be "cars of interest" -- the new Passat looks to be a contender; and we test drove a Touareg earlier this year. No current VW is on my shopping list, that is.

     

    Perhaps -- and I say this with no sarcasm intended -- you might be drawn back into the VW fold at some point (else why bother participating in the forum at all?)

     

    Just a thought.
  • tdi_tantdi_tan Member Posts: 60
    "Coolant Migration" is a term coined by the members of TDIclub. The TSB from VW is the after action. At the TDIclub, they provide instructions on mitigate the problem. I posted the reponse in the Problems & Solutions section.

     

    The actual TSB is very involved (17 pages). Two weeks is stretching it, but it comes to $$$ when there are quicker and simpler repairs to do. Some times they have order parts.

     

    Electrical harness is not porous like a sponge or a series of tubes so coolant could travel through it or get soaked up into it.

    Wires have tiny air gaps that can allow the coolant get sucked into the wires and consequently the harness.
  • psch0nautpsch0naut Member Posts: 3
    Hey...thx for the advice Fish. As of today I have test driven each vehicle. The Passat had one owner and he drove it between his house and his work which is quite a distance and it's in Southern California traffic. I just drove the Jetta today and also got a CARFAX report on it. It served its first two years as a lease vehicle and had below average annual miles put on it. Additionally there have been no accidents and based on the CARFAX service report and the way it looks and runs it seems to have been regularly serviced and taken good care of. I'm leaning towards the Jetta as it has half the mileage of the Passat and also has leather seats, custom rims, and other "niceties" and that seems like it's worth the extra 3K. Perhaps I'll take it to a VW dealer and have them do an inspection before to give me a bit more confidence in it's condition.

     

    I've got a few more questions for you: First off, I heard that the turbo Passat requires premium grade fuel and the car dealer told me that he believes the Jetta requires this as well. Is that correct? Also, how much would an extended service contract cost me and are they worth while? The car lot is asking almost 11K for the Jetta which puts it just at or slightly under Blue Book. Any thoughts on how much I should offer if I decide to purchase it? Thx again for the help!
  • altair4altair4 Member Posts: 1,469
    What engine in the Jetta? 1.8T wants premium.

     

    Will either car come with a maintenance history?
  • psch0nautpsch0naut Member Posts: 3
    The Jetta is the VR6. So can I put regular unleaded in that one when cash is tight? And how about oil..is synthetic required? I have a CARFAX report on the Jetta so that gives me a rough idea of its service history. The dealer is asking 10,980 for that one and it's got about 74000 miles. If I walk in with a wad of cash how low do you think I can go..ballpark figure? I have this image of me walking in, setting a briefcase down on the dealer's desk, turning it to face him and opening it revealing neatly laid out bills. Hey it works in the movies! ; P
  • tdi_tantdi_tan Member Posts: 60
    Premium required for the VR6 (and Passat V6 also). You can put regular, but expect less power and lower fuel economy.

     

    Synthetic required since only certain synthetics meet VW502.00

    http://www.vw.com/SP/pdf/oilchart.pdf
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Member Posts: 5,343
    ". . .when cash is tight?" When cash is tight you mean you would put regular fuel in a car that requires premium? To what end? It would, technically, cost more to use regular than to use the appropriate fuel -- when cash is plentiful, then, would be the time to be so free with your money.

     

    Seriously, it is a false economy to use lower cost gas in an engine that is designed for premium (like the VR6). And, while we're at it, it is generally a waste of money to put premium fuel in a car that is designed for regular.

     

    And, if you have a wad of cash -- perhaps some $10,000 or so in a briefcase, you can LEASE a brand new 2004 Audi A4 1.8T quattro for 24 months at $329 per month (based on 10 or 12,000 miles per year). There would be no maintenance costs and no repair costs -- and, you would own nothing in 24 months. However, your total cash out for the use of the car would be 24 x $329 or less than $8,000.

     

    There are some impressive VW deals out there too at this point.

     

    That's at least worth exploring vis a vis plunking down 10 large (cash on the desk).

     

    And, unless I am mistaken, this isn't a movie.
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Member Posts: 1,681
    Unless you are a mechanic, or a close relative is a mechanic, and like spending time working on a car I’d agree with marckcincinnati.

     

    Current A4’s have a very attractive lease rate. In my area 2005 A4’s with 1.8T and CVT are advertised for $289 per month (think with 2 or 3 K down…not sure).

     

    Buying a used German car with high miles may be an interesting project car, but for a daily drive I’d go for a new leased A4. You would have no monthly outlay of cash other than monthly payments. You’d get to drop your car off in the morning, get a loaner car for the day, and pick your car up at the end of the day...for ANYTHING that goes wrong (or just regular maintenance).

     

    You may theoretically be “ahead” buy purchasing the used car because of the residual value when you decide to sell it. The problem is with regular maintenance and the odd, or consistent!?!, repairs you may get sick of it and decide to sell it; potentially for less than the desired amount.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Member Posts: 5,343
    My point exactly -- but the upfront $2K is NOT required at least from what I have seen, if you are willing to make a slightly higher mo pay.

     

    The issue of the residual, in this case, is particularly interesting -- for, unless there were NO maint or repair costs ( not even new tires ) it would COST the entire $10,000+ plus the costs to maintain and repair it. Then, in my example, two years later with HOW MANY miles on it? how much could you sell the thing for? $4,000? Good luck.

     

    Rent what depreciates, buy what appreciates (in this class of durable goods that means rent or lease cars and buy real estate). Of course many of us buy cars and live in rented apartments -- not exactly the way to increase wealth.

     

    There are good reasons to rent and buy all kinds of things, and this is not the place to debate the relative merits of this extreme generality.

     

    However, in this case, with a suitcase full of money (~$10,000) the short term, low mo pay BRAND NEW car is a virtual "no brainer!"
  • psch0nautpsch0naut Member Posts: 3
    Hey Mark. No, I would not put regular fuel in a car that requires premium. What I was trying to determine is whether the VR6 *does* require premium...a question which I now have the answer to thanks to all you benevolent folks! Also thanks to everyone for pointing out the issues that I need to be aware of before I purchase a VW.

     

    I've never leased a vehicle before but it does sound like a potentially attractive option. If any of you are aware of any good websites which analyze the relative merits of leasing vs buying...calculators and that sort of thing...I'd be appreciateive if you pass them along!

     

    Regards,

    Patrick
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    First - go over to Real World Trade In Values and provide all the information required.Terry will give you all the numbers.

     

    Second - the dealer ain't gonna be impressed by $10K in cash. He doesn't want to deal with the banking details that comes with that much cash and he'd rather you finance a car - he makes a profit off that.

     

    Good Luck.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Member Posts: 5,343
    Leasing works for me -- it may not work for you or anyone else for that matter.

     

    Leasing works, generally, if you drive less than 15,001 miles per year, but sometimes that number can be 18,001.

     

    Leasing works, generally, if you have business reasons to have a car or can take a deduction -- it is not always better, sometimes it is just "easier" to cope with the administrivia with a lease.

     

    Leasing works if you want, generally, to have a young car (leases, in my opinion should MAX out at 39 months, unless they are "open ended leases" and you actually think you might buy the car after the lease.)

     

    Most of the stuff I have read pertaining to leases leads "me" to conclude that of the three ways to own a car, leasing is the "second best" way for many people -- buying for cash up front is best (or I would argue 0% interest is best.)

     

    If ever there was a lease that was, for instance, 36 months and had a "near zero" money factor (more or less the imputed interest = $0.00) that, it would seem to me would be THE BEST of all worlds.

     

    In an era of apparently rising interest rates and what many believe will be a soaring stock market, I cannot imagine buying a car -- cash or financed. It is a certain way to have the value of your assets decline sharply and quickly.

     

    I read an article that claimed Plasma TV's would be essentially dropping in price 50% in 2005 (this after an effective 2% per month drop in price has been going on for at least the past 2 years already.) Imagine if you bought a brand new plasma TV last month for $3999 only to find that next month a newer and better model was $1999?

     

    To me buying a car is similar -- but unlike a TV or a vacuum cleaner or a washer and dryer, most of us do replace our cars about every 3 - 4 years (and many of us do find ourselves upside down or taking far less for our "young used car" than we expected 35 months prior.)

     

    At least, IMHO, leasing sort-of equates to only paying for the actual use of the car and not attempting to creat an asset.

     

    There are lots of resources you can check with regarding leasing -- but from my perspective there is virtually no difference in "your rights and responsibilities" when you lease vs when you finance or buy.

     

    The only difference is you have not put any money out toward "ownership" -- which for me was always a financial disappointment.

     

    Today, in my city a new Audi for ~$300 a month for a palty 24 months seems like car owing bliss. The car will always during your tenure as its keeper be young, have no maintenance or repair costs and if you are not a high milage person, you won't even need to worry abou the tires -- just gas, insurance, plates and go! (and make 24 payments, of course.)

     

    As far as I know all VW group products that are gasoline powered require at least 91 octane petro -- in our neck of the woods that is "premium."

     

    Good luck.
  • tdi_tantdi_tan Member Posts: 60
    As far as I know all VW group products that are gasoline powered require at least 91 octane petro -- in our neck of the woods that is "premium."

     

    Except for the 2.slow engine
  • mlh1mlh1 Member Posts: 1
    Hi. I was wondering what you decided to do about your extended warranty. I am in the same position.

    If you have already purchased the warranty, would you mind telling me how much it cost.

    The quote I received from the dealer was

    4yr/100,000 188.00 a month with 99. down.

    I am very appreciative for any advice you have!
  • birdboybirdboy Member Posts: 158
    Last week I posted a plea for advice with purchasing an extended warranty for my 02, 1.8T passat. I would like to keep it past the 50k warranty period soon approaching. I have been very happy with the car especially since it has been trouble free for a long while, however I do not trust it due to the first 30k of nuisance problems and frequent time lost at the service dept. regretfully,I only received advice from one person I and am a bit dissapointed with that because of the wealth of good knowledge, experience and advice out there on this forum.

     Mlh1, thanks for your inquiry,the dealership has not gotten back to me with a price from GE warranty Services, or Complete care.

    FYI , the tecnician working on my 40k service suggested an extended plan as he has seen several engines shot and many oil pumps needing replacement , i guesss due to the sludge issues, however I have never gone longer than 4k between oil changes.
  • mrjettemrjette Member Posts: 122
    My sister is looking to lease a Jetta. She has a Passat on lease that expires this month.

      

     I have about $3,000 on a GM credit card that I am willing to give her, but would need advice on a comparable GM product AND a way to give my credits to her. We live in different states, and the card is restricted to household use only (unless someone knows a loophole...)

      

    Thanks. Mike
  • brozhnikbrozhnik Member Posts: 172
    Birdboy,

    Edmunds.com actually has an "extended warranty" discussion group, where you might find more information than on this forum. (I, for one, don't really know the answer on this.) As always, be on the lookout for biases etc. , but you might get more input if you post your question there.

    Hope this helps.
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Member Posts: 1,681
    How far are the states...your sister can give you the money, you buy it then sell her the car (not sure of tax implications).

     

    I always thought you could do "whatever" you want with the GM credit...even if it is for your sister. I would call them and find out.

     

    Cars...

     

    I'd go for a Saab 9-3...base model if you can find one. This would be comprable to a fully loaded Jetta…and then probably a little more expensive

     

    Pontiac G6...
  • mrjettemrjette Member Posts: 122
    We are talking NH & NY. NH has no sales tax, so that complicates things since it would be paid on registration in NY and could not be financed.

     

    I will contact GM. I also will post in a GM forum to see if anyone over there has done this. I tried to steer her toward the Vibe since it has Toyota reliability. She seems to want a small sedan, so the G6 is worth a look. Thanks.
  • fish8fish8 Member Posts: 2,282
    Are you saying the dealer quoted you $188.00 per month for the extended warranty alone? Is that 4 additional years on the factory 4 yr/50K mile warranty?
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Member Posts: 5,343
    A VW sponsored warranty to 100K should be between $1095 and $1295 -- lump sum. As far as I know there is about $200 "profit" in this for the dealer and they may be willing to let you have the warranty for $1195.

     

    I, personally, would NOT go without this warranty -- for these cars (while great) are breathtakingly expensive to repair.
  • birdboybirdboy Member Posts: 158
    Thanks mark. I am not sure what you mean by a vw sponsored warranty. The dealership offereed me two companies, GE Auto warranty Services and Complete care by universal underwriters group. they have not yet quoted me a price. Is this VW sponsored? or is there one through vw of america? In addition, thre are different levels of insurance and I guess i want the al inclusive.
  • nike8nike8 Member Posts: 8
    im looking for a new radio receiver with satellite radio or not but still have the use of the steering wheels controls for the receiver

    my car is a 2002 passat with monsoon radio system
  • richylrichyl Member Posts: 20
    Hello everyone, I want to lease a '05 car in May/June and so far I have Passat, Accord and Camry on my list . I went to car dealers the other day and I was impressed with Passat the most, especially the quality interior, I didn't test drive any so I don't know how each of them feel on the road, but will do some day. After reading tons and tons of car reviews I am still confused about which car to get, and hopefully I can get some questions answered here to help me ease this frustration.

     

    1.) From reading some of the comments, it seems that the automatical transmission from 4 cylinder suffers from lag sometimes. Could someone explain to me more about it? Is it something I should worry about?

     

    2.) Reliability of VW is lower than either Honda or Toyota, but if I lease the Passat for 3 years, I shouldn't worry too much about replacing parts, should I?

     

    3.) I heard that visibility on Passat is not that good because of relatively small mirrors and head support on the rear seats, has anyone find this annoying? I am a new driver so this is kinda important.

     

    And I appreciate any of other comments you may have that could impact my decision on choosing a Passat, thanks very much!
  • mrjettemrjette Member Posts: 122
    1. There is a lag between stepping on the throttle and the car kicking into full-bore "go". I have the TDi engine, and consider it the lag for the turbo to kick in and get-er-going. Once I slightly adjusted my driving, it is not a problem.

     

    2. Compare warranties. VW is 4 yr/50K, while I believe the other 2 are 3 yr/36K. If you have a 3 yr lease at 12K/yr, then no worries. VBut if you purchase additional miles or get 15K/yr, then the VW will be covered.

     

    3. I found the rear center headrest annoying in my rear view mirror. I simply took it out and stored it in a bag in my garage. I rarely have a 5th passenger anyway.
  • tdi_tantdi_tan Member Posts: 60
    www.crutchfield.com

     

    you may be able to get the adapter to work with the steering wheel controls
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Member Posts: 5,343
    Get the manual transmission, you will be happier all around.

     

    In addition to turbo lag (which is, in the gasoline versions pretty mild) you will also "enjoy" tiptronic and/or Drive By Wire (DBW) lag.

     

    The turbo engine mates very well with the manual transmission.
  • onlysurferonlysurfer Member Posts: 96
    2.) Reliability of VW is lower than either Honda or Toyota, but if I lease the Passat for 3 years, I shouldn't worry too much about replacing parts, should I?

     

    No, As long as you can play "drop it off...pick it up" routine because every now and then check engine light will come on or worst "STOP...BREAK FAILURE" message will flash on the desh board.

     

    Yes, you should worry. I have leased with the same thought in mind and since then have wasted numerous hours on taking the car to dealer for non scheduled service (though covered by warranty).
  • altair4altair4 Member Posts: 1,469
    >>No, As long as you can play "drop it off...pick it up" routine because every now and then check engine light will come on or worst "STOP...BREAK FAILURE" message will flash on the desh board.

      

    Yes, you should worry. I have leased with the same thought in mind and since then have wasted numerous hours on taking the car to dealer for non scheduled service (though covered by warranty).
    <<

     

    I can only speak of my own personal experience, but I've never played this game in the 2.3 years that I've had our 2003 Passat wagon. I'm only in the shop for scheduled maintenance and state inspections. YMMV.
  • onlysurferonlysurfer Member Posts: 96
    Thanks for your feedback, couldn't agree more that YMMV. Hard to imagine if every single car made by VW is defectives, it's the percentage of cars that are defective is higher for VW then Toyota or Honda. Sadly, I had to learn this the hard way.
  • altair4altair4 Member Posts: 1,469
    ...it's the percentage of cars that are defective is higher for VW then Toyota or Honda.

     

    You may be right. But I read the Honda Accord thread here on Edmunds, and there is much grinding and gnashing of teeth there, too.

     

    Just reading that forum would lead me to believe that the Accord is a rattly, noisy car, plagued by transmission problems and an unresponsive dealership network...hey, wait! That's what it sounds like here!

     

    ;->
  • onlysurferonlysurfer Member Posts: 96
    Not trying to defend Toyota/Honda or attack VW, in fact, VW Passat GLX 4Motion is apparently what I'm leasing at the moment, unfortunately, among all the cars I have owned, VW gave me the most troubles in terms of "drop off/pick up" game for unscheduled repairs. Then my research (unfortunately, after getting the car so bit too late, besides I was tempted to get something different then the mainstream) from consumer reports and other such sources confirmed that VW has higher number of problems then Toyota or Honda. So basically, one will have increased probability of having trouble with VW, (although agreed that this probability is never zero nor 100 for consumer cars). Most problems are minor electrical or diagnostic type but you still have to take the car to the dealer. So, as long as you are prepared to deal with the "drop off/pick up" routine, go with VW. Your car won't care if you are leasing or buying!

     

    That said, VW passat does handle better then Honda or Toyota, though even the top of the line V6 is slightly under powered.
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Member Posts: 1,681
    That said, VW passat does handle better then Honda or Toyota, though even the top of the line V6 is slightly under powered

     

    True...untill the 3.6L 280hp V6 is introduced :)
  • richylrichyl Member Posts: 20
    Well, since I use the car to commute, I can't afford to play "drop off/pick up" games. So what if the car requires several days to be fixed (chance of that is very low I guess), what should I use to go to work? Call a taxi in countryside which is in the middle of nowhere? Heh...:P
  • ryoungryoung Member Posts: 2
    Hi all,

      

    I am looking at buying a used Jetta or Passat. I am trying to figure which best fits my needs. I am in ministry, and would need the car for home visits, hospital visits, etc. - along with regular daily use - including shopping and short jaunts with my folks. Living in Chicago, I like the idea of AWD, but am wondering if the Electronic Stabilization system is adequate. I like the look of both cars - they are both "respectable" and sporty. If it weren't for the folks, I would probably get a Beetle! This would be my first VW experience, so any help would be helpful.
  • richylrichyl Member Posts: 20
    My last post was not thoughtful, I think the dealer can lend me a car to use if it takes more than a day to fix. Sorry about what I said earlier.

     

    By the way, is ESP available in 1.8T Passat? or only avaiable in the V6 Passat?
  • fish8fish8 Member Posts: 2,282
    I believe ESP is standard on all Passats. I have it on my 2004.5 Passat GLS 1.8t.

     

    Please, someone tell me if I'm wrong.
  • krzysskrzyss Member Posts: 849
    I have 2003 1.8T Tip with ESP. It was an option and I believe that it still is, quite cheap by the way.

     

    Krzys
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Member Posts: 5,343
    If you could find a Passat AWD Wagon that has low miles, the remainder of factory warranty (therefore can be warranted beyond the OEM warranty), well that would probably be the best of all worlds, IMHO.
  • richylrichyl Member Posts: 20
    I heard from someone that since the 06' passat is a completely redesigned model, dealers will take a couple of grand off the sticker price for the 05' model, so a fully loaded 1.8T will be in the low 20k. Is this prediction true?
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