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Can't tell you how many people called my car an Intrepid.
Intrigue? What's that?
Everybody in the Western World knows what a Cutlass is.
Forbes
So what do you suggest? Cadillac should just give up and not try to compete? I don't get your point. They build a car that is sporty, has more room than competitors, has decent power from a smooth mill (although more power is coming), and finally has some exciting styling (even if you don't like it, it's more exciting than the button-down Seville styling). So it doesn't say "Audi" or "BMW". What's your point? Only those companies can build a sporty lux car? Most of Lexus' cars are boring and soft, yet you mentioned the GS. Why can't Cadillac have boring (although way more interesting than a Lexus) soft cars but then one serious sports car? Do you feel the same way about the new BMW 1-series? I mean, why would anyone consider one when they can have a Civic or Corolla or other more proven econo/yawn cars?
If you think this isn't the same because BMW has a better "image", then I guess you are right. Cadillac can't hope to attract people who only care that an appropriately yuppie badge is on their hood. Nor should they try. Fortunately for Cadillac, there are still plenty of people out there who can think independently, so I would say that's who the CTS is supposed to appeal to.
mfletouva : resale prices have not changed much in the past 2-3 years on Intrigues here. Perhaps there is little to no demand for them in some areas. Around here you see lots of them, 2 others on my street alone. I know I'd but one at those prices TS mentioned!!
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As for CTS sales: let's wait until we get some retail delivery numbers. I too see lots of them on dealer lots but darn few on the streets. Could be that the production bump was simply to fill inventories. Plus I assume GM is still offering 0% on them, so they can't be selling *that* well. I just think there aren't very many people who will want that Kartoon Kar styling in their driveway.
2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6
As for the CTS, sales are ahead of projections. To the end of Sept. they have sold around 26K and projections were for 30K / year. I know you hate it, you have mentioned that before. Obviously many people disagree with you.
Thanks.
Find the invoice price for that particular car and add no more than $3-400 above the invoice.
You might even find a dealer who will sell it to you under invoice.
Remember there is a 3% hold back that is basically profit for the dealer.
If the car has an MSRP of $25,000 then there is an additional $750 profit for the dealer.
If you offered them $300 over invoice that $300 would probably go to the salesman as his commission and the $750 holdback would go to the dealer as profit.
So in this example your mother would be getting about $2,000 off MSRP and the $3000 rebate. For a total of $5000 off MSRP.
Sounds fair to me.
There might also be some spiffs from Oldsmobile that we don't know anything about.
Btw, there was a comment above somewhere that said the Intrigue was really just a suped up base Grand Prix. For some reason I let that slide at the time, but for the record...
uh, no...Besides the obvious styling differences, the two aren't even on the same wheelbase...Grand Prix is 110.5, Intrigue is 109.0 They don't share engines, Grand Prix has the old Malibu 3.1 V6 standard and the old 3.8 V6 optional, Intrigue has the new advanced 24valve Shortstar 3.5. Intrigue has options like PCS, not happening on the Grand Prix. Traction Control systems are different. To the extent that all GM cars share some parts, sure, but to say that the Intrigue is just another a base Grand Prix with options is just plain wrong.
Plus, the Intrigue is sold and serviced alongside the Grand Prix and Chevy Cavalier - the TL is only sold and serviced by an Acura dealer, not by Honda . Big difference in the dealership attitude and experience experience.
So, if you really think the TL is just a gussied-up Accord, then the same logic says the Intrigue is just a fancy Grand Prix - even more so.
Thanks everyone!
But if quality, reliabilty, crash-test worthiness, resale value, 10 time higher customer satisfaction scores than Oldsmobile, and not being found in every rental car fleet in the country like a Ford Taurus, go for the Acura.
Of course you pay more. Because you get what you pay for in a car. And you'll get more when you sell it, too.
Let's face it - targeted demographics for the Intrigue are late-40's to early 50's American males, likely overweight, gery hair and balding. These people need a good looking car to make then look better at a stop light. I don't think Acura owners have that need in a car. Nothing personal.
if it retails for 23k then you should be able to get it for 18K.
You know nothing about the Intrigue. Pop on out of here pal.
Certainly you are entitled to your opinion, and if you don't like the car, fine. But it isn't necessary to drop into a discussion and lambaste the subject with sweeping generalizations.
If you have a desire to compare this vehicle to an Acura or any other sedan, the comparisons board is located here.
Thank you.
Thanks.
my 2000 Silver mist GL "typeR" is 3 years old now, and has 27k miles, still love it, and even with some minor fixes required, a great performance sedan.
3 years later, its still one of the best looking sedans out there, which cannot be said of Acura (can you say boring).
...this from a 42 years young car enthusiast, 50 being a ways off.
There was no realted squeak, squeal or groan. It was always a "thunk", and was only noticalbe to me when the brakes were applied, not when turning the steering wheel.
The fix only took a couple of hours and was $119 at the dealer. Happened at 68K miles, and been completely trouble-free for the last 4K.
I don't think you have an ISS issue...
1. I'm 28, have maybe 1 or two gray hairs, have the same amount of hair I had 10 years ago.
2. I chose the Intrigue because it was the closest thing to a Maxima from any of the big 3 (my wife's family all work for the UAW, Ford, and GM... I don't want to lose favored 'son in law' status).
3. The Acura TL is overpriced; for a decently optioned one, I'd be looking at double what I paid for my Intrigue. There are much better cars in the TL's price range.
Just a thought...
Oldsman01: I have that same groaning at low speed when turning, I have always felt it was a normal sound from the electrical valves that control the power steering in the Magnasteer system. I think they are "digital," in that they cycle rapidly open and closed to control fluid flow, as opposed to the conventional spool valves.
RE ISS: My 99 had the ISS lubed about 5k miles ago, and now the clunk is coming back. I hope periodic greasing will keep it under control. Does anyone know if there is a kit available that would let me lube it myself? I like to do my own service, but I understand the tool for this job includes a long-nose hypodermic of some kind.
That is really the only problem I have had with this car, it just passed 40K miles.
I did have a '92 Lumina that had the inside caliper of a front brake not release after letting go of the brake. But that always exibited strange noises and sensations at any speed.
http://www.gminsidenews.com/
Diagnose & Repair: "Lube Steering Half Shaft" $98 -labor $18.76 -lubricant"
The brakes weren't touched, and the problem was solved.
Somewhere, I read a description of how the shaft can be lubed - maybe in a service buletin - I thought someone had posted it here some time ago. You're correct, I recall it does require a specialized tool of some sort to get inside the shaft. As for me, I change oil, filters and wiper blades. Anything else - I use MasterCard! Good luck.
An issue I have with the Bonnie is that, fully optioned, you're looking at upwards of $34-35K, putting it up against a lot of cars with better engineering and build quality than Pontiac is known typically for.
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So let's take political comments to a more appropriate another venue. Thanks.
Thus, here I am again thinking of an Intrigue, a used one this time. Considering how little the Stratus was worth, I can only think of a 98 Intrigue. I know that that model year had the 3.8, but was it the only engine available then? Did the 3.8 suffer from the dreaded ISS issue? What else can you tell me about that year?
TIA
There have been many discussions here of the 3.8 vs. 3.5, both have pros and cons. Mine still has the same factory spec compression at 70K miles as when it was new, no leaks or oil burn. Still smooth and quiet. It is the most widely-produced V6 GM makes, and appears to be bullet-proof. Can't go wrong with either engine. Depends on what you want to spend. Not much difference between a '98 and '99. For the money, I'm very satisfied.
Perhaps you can confirm this for me: When I lost my '98, it had 80k. I swore that the engine/tranny combo was silkier than when it had 30k. At 100k, do you find this to be true?