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  • gomo657gomo657 Member Posts: 1
    I have been reading you guys comments for a few weeks now and I decided to join in. I purchased a 00 gls 6 months ago and I must say I am well pleased. I hit betw 70 and 80mph everyday and have enjoyed the engines purr and finesse. I travel betw NYC and DC often and have gotten up to 100 several times, with the stereo off such sweet music. I put 245 nitto's on back in the summer and in this first snow they rode wonderfully. Has anyone else increased tire size I've seen people talk about tires but always the same size...........thoughts?
  • focusfocus Member Posts: 225
    Welcome Aboard. Yes, it was talked about a while back but no one seem to be doing it. I would love to put on 17" in the summer time but when you go to the tire dealers, no one recommends it. What is the proper code again for 17" (245/50R17)?
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,287
    Didn't the Final 500 Intrigue come with 17" Aurora chrome wheels? Dunno what the tire size was, but I assume it would have kept the same overall OD dimensions as the regular version.

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6

  • sdasda Member Posts: 7,580
    If the final 500 came with the 17" chrome rims from the Aurora, the tire size is probably 235/55/17. This is the size on my 01 Aurora 4.0. The 3.5 Aurora shares the same tire size as the Intrigue 225/60/16, but are H rated. From what I've observed it is typically the Goodyear Eagle RSA instead of the Eagle LS.

    2021 VW Arteon SEL 4-motion, 2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech

  • akitadogakitadog Member Posts: 117
    I put on some 18" wheels and fitted them with 245/45/18 Conti SportContact 2s (all-season). The outer diameter is the same as the stock 16s (I still have them for winter).

    I must say, I can take curves much faster than before without hearing a squeal. In fact, today I thought I would hear a squeal around this one turn and prepped my foot to hit the brake, but ended up not having to. She kept her line.
  • rjs200240rjs200240 Member Posts: 1,277
    It had 17x7.5" rims from the 4.0 Aurora. They were 235/55-17 Michelin MXV4+'s. I thought they looked pretty sweet on the Intrigue, and might be something to consider. Sort of a custom look, but one that goes with the styling (unlike most aftermarket rims).
  • nickpernickper Member Posts: 28
    Does anyone know if the 2002 RDS Olds radio from the '02 Intrigues will fit into the space of a 2001 and below 'Trig w/o having to do anything special to get it to fit?
  • evandroevandro Member Posts: 1,108
    I'm not sure if it's really related to cooler temperatures, as some have stated, or if it's because we do more night driving in winter, but I did start noticing the headlights and the dash lights dim intermittently.

    The cause is believed to be the alternator, but some have reported that the OEM replacement eventually suffers from the same malady. However, others reported getting a 3rd party alternator with success. If this is still true, what brand would be a good replacement? How hard is it to replace the alternator on one's own?

    TIA
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    My OEM fix seems to be ok. If you are paying though, go aftermarket. Some one here should have some info on it.
  • vcjumpervcjumper Member Posts: 1,110
    Other option, much cheaper, is to get a wiring harness that powers your lights straight from your battery.
  • moonshadowmoonshadow Member Posts: 256
    "Other option, much cheaper, is to get a wiring harness that powers your lights straight from your battery. "

    Won't make much difference since the alt is connected directly to the bat.

    Once the car is running the alt becomes the electrical source for the car as it has a higher potential difference, around, 14 votls, (aka voltage), than the nominal bat voltage of 12 volts.

    the problem occurs when the regulator gets stupid and momentarily stops/resets.

    In this instant, the output of the alt ceases, and the loads quickly drags the operating voltage down to the bat level of 12 volts. After the alt resets and kicks back in the voltage rises to the regulated voltage of around 14 volts. Tada, a flicker. Due to a 3 to 4 volt change. I have witnessed this on my scope.

    Tying in at the bat makes no difference as the alt/bat wire is just a wire so that what ever happens on one end will happen on the other end. Unless, of course the wire is hundreds of feet long, which results in a substantial measureable drop across the length of the line (aka line load), but that is not the case here.
    The flicker is directly due to a drop in voltage due to a loss of the primary voltage source and if it wasn't for the batteries stored energy the drop would go to zero and then the car would go berzerk.

     
    Evandro. The last time mine turned into a strobe light, I removed and cleaned the smaller ground wire leaving the bat and bolting to the frame about 8 inches back of the bat. Has not reoccured. since. Have had 3 alts and cleaning this ground connection has resulted in the longest successful repair yet. This ground wire is the return path for the headlights.
  • evandroevandro Member Posts: 1,108
    I'll check out the ground wire, thanks.

    But it wasn't clear from your very good post whether the issue was with the alternator or with the regulator. Is there something that trips in the alternator?
  • moonshadowmoonshadow Member Posts: 256
    The regulator is inside the alt and from what i have read from GM's notes and from the output of the willing tech at the dealership the problem " they believe" is with the regulator electronics which senses/detects eratic operation which causes the regulator to go stupid and reinitalize which in turn results in a momentary loss of alternator output.

    This would be different than the normal dim due to increase in load, that one might see if for instance "you turned your blower from off up to max. in one quick motion." It appears that a condition appears outside the regs. normal parameters, such as repeating spiking which results in the reg. having a seizure of sorts

    This all sounds weird since you would think that after 75 years of designing alts and regulators that they would have figured it out by now.

    Evandro if you feel enthusiastic there is a g201 ground connection from the headlamp relay and the headlights module/switch. This connection is not exposed to the weather and is located at the base of the steering column. You will find two wires connected on the a wedge shaped casting that protrudes from the left of the columm support bracket.
  • dekesterdekester Member Posts: 322
    Took a walk to Pep Boys at lunch today since the gas station installed wipers literally came apart this morning! The plastic frame just detached itself in sections....

    Anyway, picked up a pair of the Bosch Micro Edge... Put them on when I got home and once I got the flashlight trained on what I was doing, it took literally ten seconds to attach. What a difference, even over the OEM blades. No chatter, streaking or flip-flop. They ran me about $11 each - easily 2 1/2 times what Tricos would have cost, but I've had nothing but problems with Trico blades over the years.

    My biggest problem so far with the snow we've had is that the wipers kept icing up and then freezing while parked. Try wiping with a blade that won't flatten out!

    Got the correct 22 inchers - gas station had installed 20 inchers last year, so now I get to see more.

    Deke
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    Ya, the temperature here has been going up and down every day lately. Ice and snow one day, rain today and then snow again tomorrow. I hate this time of year!
  • evandroevandro Member Posts: 1,108
    FWIW, I currently have those Bosch wipers on my Intrigue and do I regret it! I decided to try them out in lieu of Anco and found out that the fewer articulations, the worse the pressure is distributed. The Bosch wipers have one less articulation and thus they can't follow the curve of the windshield and leave smears behind them.
  • dekesterdekester Member Posts: 322
    Hmmm. The Bosch has the same number of "sections" as the cheap-o wipers the gas station guy put on. They also seemed to be more "pliable" or "moldable" than the others.

    I haven't seen any wiper that holds the blade to the glass at the extreme lower right(at rest). Even the OEM pieces don't completely wipe all the way down.

    My main concern is that the previous blades jammed up with slush/ice and were ineffective. The Bosch are supposed to be more resistant to that. I've found that a few cycles on the highest speed will fling off accumulated slop, but watch out if you're driving next to me!

    With all the innovations made in the past 100+ years, it's strange that there has been nothing invented to replace 90+ year old wiper technology! Seems like it's always been a rubber blade across the glass.....and will always be.

    Deke
  • evandroevandro Member Posts: 1,108
    The Bosch has only 6 points of pressure, which I believe is responsible for leaving the smears.

    The Anco that I usually use has 8 points of pressure and follows the contour of the windshield better. There are two kinds, one in a yellow package and another in a blue one. Both have the same number of articulations, but that in the yellow box has more play than that in the blue box, which I prefer. The price is about $5 each of the yellow ones and about $8 each of the blue ones.

    I tried the Bosch wipers because I thought that by having fewer articulations it would be able to follow all the windshield, but I was mistaken. Not only it leaves more of the far right unwiped because of fewer articulations, but it doesn't wipe as well as the Anco.

    Unfortunately, I'm cheap and will put up with it until it starts screeching, a sign that it's the time for new wipers... ;-)
  • ozznetozznet Member Posts: 81
    I notice one design problem with the way the wipers sit. Maybe its just my car but part of the wiper is on the wind shield and the other is on the black molding so the wiper gets wrecked easy. I put those winter blades on and they work great. They would work better if the wiper just sat on the windshield cause then I wouldn't get ice under the blade.
  • white6white6 Member Posts: 588
    Just my 2 cents worth, but I switched to the Bosch Micro Edge blades a few years ago and have been very happy. Mainly due to the material the blade is made of; seems to stay soft alot longer than the Anco's. Last week I bought a set of Anco's for my Dakota (they were out of the Bosch) and, boy, did I regret it. We got our first snow of the year last Friday (first time I had used the new Anco's) and they skipped and stuttered all over the place! Needless to say, they are going back in exchange for a set of Bosch replacements!
  • rjs200240rjs200240 Member Posts: 1,277
    AC Delco replacements? I've tried a lot of wipers trying to find ones that lasted a decent length of time and didn't squeak, and the AC Delco's have lasted the longest, and operate well (and silently). They are also not overly expensive, though not overly cheap either.
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    Went to my dealer in June and got GM OEMs (Delco?). They seem to work better and last longer than any after market I have had. Yes they cost a bit more than most but I don't care, it's worth being able to see in the winter especially.
  • redline65redline65 Member Posts: 693
    My wife had a Saturn and her dealer wanted $22 just for the wiper refills. That was the last time I even considered buying the OEM ones...
  • rjs200240rjs200240 Member Posts: 1,277
    I think I spent about $7-8 a piece for the blade (refill and the retainer) from my local Pontiac dealer. Was that price to have them installed? Maybe you should try somewhere else. They shouldn't be that pricey. The ones on my wife's car are about 2 years old, and her car is outside 24x7. They are just starting to not wipe perfectly (still no noise, and they do wipe pretty wel), so I'm going to replace them. Every other kind I've ever tried on her car has started to degrade in performance in less than a year.
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,287
    Having seen new Canadian Tire blades priced at $18 for ones made by an unknown manufacturer and having bought GM OEM blades for much less than that, I definitely will not consider anything other than the genuine GM article for my Intrigue.

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6

  • thusrtonpthusrtonp Member Posts: 23
    With the first snowfall, my daughter got into my '99 Intrigue and turned on the wipers. Being as they were frozen to the windshield, she turned on the defroster, came back into the house to get something, and got distracted, and didn't go go back out for another 15 minutes.

    She had forgotten to turn the wiper switch off.

    So, as the defroster began to melt the ice on the windshield, the wipers began to free themsleves, but before something "broke".

    The bottom line is, the wiper motor still appears to be working fine, but whatever connects the motor to the blades either broke or came loose, so the wipers don't move at all, even though I can see the motor going around.

    Any ideas, on how difficult this is to fix? Thanks.
  • moonshadowmoonshadow Member Posts: 256
    When you say that the motor goes around what exactly is moving.

    -Do you just hear the motor?
    -or do you see under the plastic air inlet grille that the motor crank is turning?
    -Or can you see each wiper arm drive shaft turning? Where it comes through the air inlet grill

    the problem is that if the motor is turning then it can be any of three things.

    1. The nuts on the arm drive shafts where loose and have now stipped the splines. Retightening might be sufficient.

    2. The gear is broken/stripped/loose at the motor crank. Where the motor connects to the mechanism arms under the air inlet (Gm calls these arms and pivots the wiper transmission, ). Could be motor crank or motor gear. Crank would be cheaper than the motor. LOL

    3. The gears inside the motor are stripped. Sorry

     
    Good luck
  • v8lincolnguyv8lincolnguy Member Posts: 273
    Good look with the wipers, I hope there's no serious damage. One neat thing my Lincoln has is the area on the glass where the wipers "park" has a heater grid just like the rear window defogger and anytime the temp drops to around freezing, it automatically comes on. I know Chrysler minivans also have this feature and I'm not sure what others have it, but it sure is a neat little feature. And since I got to scrape ice in 18 degree weather this morning, I remember a feature that Cadillac and Lincoln(and probably a few others) had back in the 90s. It was a heated windshied. Rather than wait for the engine to warm up so you can turn the de-frost on, start the car and push the button and in minutes the ice is gone. Anyone ever have a car with this feature or know what happened to it?
  • dekesterdekester Member Posts: 322
    I haven't seen that option for some time. I know here in the Northeast, that glass negated the use of the "EZ-Pass" toll collection tags you mount on the inside of the windshield. I'm sure this is an issue anywhere these electronic tags are used.

    The KIA Sorento also has the "electronic wiper defroster" (salesman's words). No one could ever state whether it worked when you pushed the defrost button, or if it was automatic when it sensed ice buildup.

    Deke
  • ian18ian18 Member Posts: 133
    At 78k miles on the '98 with the 3.8 engine, I have the following service issues:

    1) I had to replace my front sway bar as it had broken. My car is the Autobahn version which I believe has a slightly larger diameter sway bar than others. Why this broke is not obvious but since there was no specific incident involved, I believe that it was metal fatigue. Cost for the part was $123 and another $100 in labour.

    2) Front wheel bearing needed replacing. This is a complete hub assemble which I purchased on ebay for $85 and my mechanic installed for another $84. Dealer price for the same Delco part was $400.

    3) I have a very slight engine oil leak which my mechanic diagnosed as requiring a new oil pan gasket. The gasket is only $37 but apparently it is a big job to replace it, requiring 4.6 hours of labour. This repair is not deemed necessary at this time as the leak is quite small.

    4) There is also a slight leak on the power steering rack unit. Again the leak is small enough that it does not require any immediate action at this time.

    To quote my mechanic, "I am glad people like to buy domestic cars, it keeps me in business. I prefer to work on Honda and Toyotas because they are designed well but they don't require repairs as much!"

    Still I am well pleased with the Intrigue although I am realizing that this 6+ year old will continue to need the occasional repair.
  • b4zb4z Member Posts: 3,372
    had front wheel bearing on the Impala replaced at the dealer. $556.
  • b4zb4z Member Posts: 3,372
    When I owned my Intrigue I told you guys that if there was a problem with a car I would experience it.
    And I did.

    29 months and 52K miles with the Impala has passed and I started having trans probs today.
    Solenoid is bad.
    $1160.
  • ian18ian18 Member Posts: 133
    If I had not found the wheel bearing on ebay, my mechanic would have charged me $200 for a non-GM part. I am convinced that using an independent mechanic is the only way to go.

    I also like the experience of talking with the actual mechanic doing the work and not a service writer.
  • redline65redline65 Member Posts: 693
    Were there any warning signs that the wheel bearings had gone bad? One dealership I went to said both of my front hubs needed to be replaced because the wheel bearings were bad. As you stated, they wanted $400 for each hub, not including labor. Did you find an Intrigue hub on eBay, or did it come off of an Impala or Grand Prix? What are the risks involved in continuing to drive with bad wheel bearings?
  • racer_x_9racer_x_9 Member Posts: 91
    Just replaced the OEM Goodyears on my 1999 Intrigue with Michelin Hydroedge. They are very quite and give a great ride. The Goodyears were not quite down to the wear bars, but were close after 47,000 miles.

    One of the tires was getting particularly noisy over 40mph.

    Also wondering what a bad wheel bearing sounds like. I've heard the noise goes away when you turn left if it's the right one and right if it's the left. Is that true?

    Is it noisy at all speeds? What does it sound/feel like.

    Thanks.
  • ian18ian18 Member Posts: 133
    redline 65 - My mechanic said that there was some play when moving the wheel, indicating that the bearing needed replacing. I was first told about it some 6 months ago but did not have to replace it right away. The wheel was then checked twice after that until the replacement. Only one wheel was bad and I was told there was no need to replace the other.

    To buy the part on ebay I just looked at a few auctions, checked out a GM part site and finally showed the listing to my mechanic. The GM part number for the hub is 12429204 and the A/C Delco part number is 20-17. My ebay auction number was 2446114805.

    Good luck!
  • b4zb4z Member Posts: 3,372
    The wheel with the bad bearing will actually move.
    You can grab the tire with both hands a shake back and forth or just push on it with your foot and you will see movemnet.

    I think this is the reason my front tires had a improper wear pattern. The bearings had probably been bad for a year.
    If I had know I would have taken it in and had it fixed under warranty.
  • v8lincolnguyv8lincolnguy Member Posts: 273
    I'm beginning to think that the 4T65E transaxle is not as reliable or durable as other GM units. I've always said that GM has some of the smoothest shifting and reliable slushboxes, but as my Intrigue proved, it was quite troublesome. Now, your having problems with yours and I've heard of several other people with W-body cars having transmission problems. I think it's time they ditch it and go with a 5 speed automatic anyway.
  • white6white6 Member Posts: 588
    they are skipping right over the five-speed box (which they have been manufacturing in Europe for years now and have been selling to BMW for use in their cars) and are going to switch to a six-speed auto box within the next couple of years. GM and Ford have formed a partnership to get this tranny to market as soon as possible. Pretty sorry that the 2005 Corvette uses a 4-speed auto when even Kia has a five-speed auto.
  • ian18ian18 Member Posts: 133
    I have not heard of or seen many postings of people having trouble with GM transaxles. My experience has been very positive and I consider GM power trains far superior over their domestic competition and at least equal to the imports.

    As for 5 speed vs. 4 speeds, I am not so sure that the increased fuel economy is worth the added complexity. I have a 5 speed in my Passat and find that it shifts into fifth gear too quickly. Then almost any touch of the gas causes it to upshift (with an accompanying very slight hesitation). I actually prefer the way the 4 speed Intrigue transaxle drives in this one aspect. Given my experience, I am not very excited at the thought of a 6 speed transmission.
  • white6white6 Member Posts: 588
    Actually, it's not economy but performance. Gears can be spaced closer together, so there isn't as much rpm drop in shifting from gear to gear. Smaller engines with less torque (re: need more rpm to make power) would benefit most. Think about having a bike with six speeds instead of 3 speeds and then having accelerate up a hill...
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    Merry Christmas fellow Intriguers!
  • v8lincolnguyv8lincolnguy Member Posts: 273
    Is right about the performance advantage a 5 speed gives. On my LS, you hardly notice any rpm drop between 1st and 2nd. With a higher revving OHC engine, the extra cog gives you more off the line power.

    My understanding of the 6 speed is that it is a few years off. I believe the C6 Vette is supposed to have a 5 speed slushbox. And even if it comes with a 4 speed automatic, who in their right mind is going to buy a Corvette with an automatic:)

    Merry Christmas all!
  • b4zb4z Member Posts: 3,372
    ian 18,

    The passat is probably downshifting more because it is a smaller displacement engine with less torque than the Intrigue or my Impala neither of which downshifted or hunted for gears.

    As far as shifting to the next gear early all the new cars are doing this.
    Both CTSs I drove shifted into second half way into an intersection which really made the car feel sluggish.
    The sprot mode solved that though.

    Also there is some confusion on transmissions here.
    The 5 speed made in German by Getrag is a GM design. it is used by BMW and Cadillac in the CTS.
    This is a REAR WHEEL DRIVE TRANSMISSION!

    There is a RWD 6 speed underdevelopment.
    And a FWD 6 speed under development.
  • thusrtonpthusrtonp Member Posts: 23
    Following up - fortunately, it was as simple as requiring a new nut on the arm drive shaft, as the original one had cracked in two - whew! A new wiper motor w/labor would have been >$400. !

    Thanks very much for your input.

    Happy Holidays!
  • dtadlockdtadlock Member Posts: 4
    The intermediate steering shaft on our 98 Intrigue w/Autobahn suspension is failing again (third time). Does anyone know of an after-market fix? I'm tired of throwing money at this problem and want to fix it for all time. Thanks in advance for any help you folks can provide.
    On the subject of wiper de-icers: my wife is ordering a new Forester Turbo with the Premium package and it includes the Subaru All-Weather package which has the wiper deicers, heated seats and mirrors, etc. It seems to be a nice, safe vehicle and should serve her well.
    The Intrigue Autobahn package is nice but I discovered an excellent replacement tire for even better grip and handling. The Bridgestone Turanza Z Revo tire in the OEM size is perfect for this car. Both wet and dry traction is exceptional and deep snow has never posed a problem. The OEM Goodyear RS-A was a very poor choice for this car, IMHO.
    One more thing; poor radio reception. I read recently that window tinting with metal particles (bronze, silver) will block radio signals and degrade reception. I have light bronze tinting on my deep green Intrigue and can vouch for the poor performance for certain FM stations. The tint is starting to look old so it is coming off if I keep the car. Merry Christmas to you all.
  • TSchrammTSchramm Member Posts: 106
    As the proud owner of both an Intrigue and BMW 530 (and previously a 528), I can back up what Road & Track, Car &Driver, et. al. have said about the BMW GM-supplied 5-speed automatic - it is one of the finest performing transmissions in the world. Smooth, but supplies enough kick in the seat of your pants when you want it to. It can be smooth as glass, or really let you know that you're driving.
  • b4zb4z Member Posts: 3,372
    That this forum continues keep going considering no Intrigues have been built in 20 months.

    A milestone was reached with the Impala on 12/23.
    300,226 Impalas were built his year. 45,000 more than last year.
    Sometimes there are no posts on that thread for 3-4 days!

    I think it goes without saying that the Intrigue engenders more enthusiasm than the Impala does.

    Merry Christmas!
  • b4zb4z Member Posts: 3,372
    It was 3 years ago this month. December 2000.
    That the announcement of Oldsmobile's extened death was announced.
    There were 99 posts on this thread that day.
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,287
    Yes, that was a very sad day. I was at work that morning and could not believe the news as it came across the net. I was contacted by the Denver Post and the Detroit News for comment and let them know how wrong I thought it was, and how Olds had been so badly mismanaged by the crowd running GM over the previous few years.

    I still maintain it was a huge mistake by GM, and when you look at how Saturn in particular is struggling these days while the remaining Olds models continue to sell despite zero marketing, you have to wonder.

    This will be the last Christmas that Olds will still be alive, as by this time next year no more new cars will be built under that name. Time for Auld Lang Syne...

    2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6

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