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Again, thanks for your posts. I just don't want folks to be put off from what I consider a fine piece of work. I bought my 2000 C230K new, and this great engine was a major selling point.
are the 2002 in the show room yet?
Current A4: The car is seriously cramped inside, especially the back seat; I don't need Quattro, and if I want fwd, I'll go Japanese; there is just nothing special there for me. With the NEW A4, the "special" is the new V6 and most importantly, the new CVT, which promises to be a real revelation. I plan an early test as soon as the car is available. The CVT gives them something the rest of the Japanese fwd competition doesn't have, though no Audi [yes, I have lots of experience with them, too] will have the reliability of Honda/Acura or Toyota/Lexus or Nissan/Infiniti....
And finally, I forgot to mention the latter: a really, really promising car is the upcoming Infiniti G35, a luxed-up version of the latest Skyline sedan [which has always been rwd / awd]. Should be here next Spring.
As I said, great time to be a car enthusiast...
if you are in the DC metro area, i would go to valley motors in B'more. THey are the only dealership that offered a free cd changer. All the others would not budge.
- Paul P.
Yep, I checked the mb web site and it looks
like they've removed the C6 from the 2002 version.
BOGUS!
However, in the 'specifications' section they
still refer to the 'Sports Package' when they
refer to the beefed-up anti-roll bar. A web oversight perhaps? Also, they now give you the option of choosing different styles of wheels.
I admit I may have to now go looking for a showroom 2001 version _with_ the C6 sports package (arrgh!) ...when, in fact, I was hoping
to order a 2002 C6-based version.
The lowering of the suspension, the metallic interior and the body/cosmetic adjustments made me WANT the sports package. I had no problem with the price. Now with the sports package, apparently dropped from the 2002 line, a C240 or C320 --- even loaded up to the gizzards with extra options (and will cost a LOT more) will LOOK the same as your basic run o' the mill version. Argh!
Even the choice of wheel styles doesn't even make me want to spend the measly extra 1,300 or so, and did you notice "tires not included".
Hello!
:-(
Gerry
Long Island, New York
From the viewpoint of someone who bought one of the "growling" (term used affectionately here) C230 engines, here was my rationale - I noticed the noise when test driving with only 26 miles on the VDO, but imho:
1) It sounded just like an SLK I had test driven a couple of years earlier, so it was a somewhat familiar, sporty sound.
2) The car was really fun to drive, as the engine put out significantly more HP.
3) I didn't mind the sound, as long as it was not indicative of the engine wearing.
4) The engine sound provided nice harmony for the Kompressor whine which was fun to listen to.
5) It was the last year to get a W202 model C-Class, and a great value at the end of that model year.
Besides, with the current economic downturn, I have to learn to enjoy what I've got & can't consider a new C anytime soon - though they are beautiful machines as well!
For what it's worth...
- Paul P.
Well, last week my car stopped making this sound. At first I thought it was because I had the radio on, but then I noticed it had stopped doing it altogether. I was very happy, as I did not appreciate the tone!
It so happens that this is one year from the week I took delivery on the car, and I did not renew tele-aid this year. Perhaps the tone is to indicate tele-aid is active. Hmmmm, don't keep the service and the tone goes away - problem solved, imho and interesting if true! Can anyone confirm or deny?
- Paul P.
2001 C320,
I have also noticed on my pin stripping, they spliced one line of the pin stripe and it doesn't line up.
Still getting the white haze on the inside of the windshield. Looks like MB would do away with that huge vent on the dash. I think its more of a deterant than any real help.
Also my side mirrors keep changing position ever so slightly about every 3 days.
getting HWY 26.4.............. city 18.8 so thats not bad
I too noticed the sport package missing from the updated 2002 web site. I emailed MB and they acknowledged the error and forwarded it to their IT people. BTW, the 2002 MSRP for the sport package is $3010.
I plan to order the C240 6spd w/sport package.
John W.
shopping area in a town called Wellesley.
The guy I talked to said he worked
for a marketing agency in NY that does work for
MB. Wellesley wouldn't let them put a podium
up so they could grab people on the street since
not that many people signed up on the web site.
All I got was a picture of the girl in the classic C
MB shirt who was part of the event. The guys
got boring silver MB shirts. I didn't see why
everyone didn't wear yellow shirts since
it was a C event.
They only had two C240s. No C320. They had
a C230K there, but you could only look at it. My
only thought was "what's the point?". I was
expecting a big bunch of C cars parked in
a row with a stand next to them; that would have
made an impressive pic.
Drove around the streets in the area for about
half an hour while the guy I talked to earlier
rode with us. Got to play w/ acceleration w/
A/C, etc. There weren't enough clear winding roads
to really push the C. It felt like it was on rails
compared to my ML though; turn radius is
impressive :-)
A friend who came with us said the C was well
appointed for the cost. It's also quieter than his
A4. My brother said the engine was a bit noisy
when accelerating and the A/C saps too much
power from the engine. I thought it downshifted
a bit more than I expected. The waiter at the
restaurant was also impressed with what MB
offered for the money. He was looking for a
safe car for his family and said his choice was
this or a Volvo, so MB is targetting the right
market.
I asked the guy who rode with us about when
the 4matic will come out but he knew nothing
about it, so I told him all the rumors I
knew of in case someone else asked him :-)
Would you believe I forgot to take a pic of the
appetizer? Talk about brain failure. I should
never do stuff like this when I'm too hungry.
It was 3 grilled scallops on 3 diagonal slices
of roasted zucchini on a bed of oregano tomato
sauce. The layout was shaped like an MB
star. Very tasty. Even my wife, who didn't
drive, got the appetizer. We stayed and had
dinner there as well. The portobello mushroom
pizza was excellent. The others were interesting
but didn't strike us as something to try again.
I thought the MB Powertrip event was more
fun, but this had better food ;-)
Electronics can be interesting! :-) I just found my FSS function today as well - a year later.
- Paul
I was debating about adding the dealer installed glove mounted CD changer to my car order. My question is, is it worth the $775 for the 2002 model year? Are their better alternatives to gaining CD capability?
Thanks,
John
The ML's accelerator is more notchy than the C's.
Drew
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Sorry about your other problems. Here is what works for me and avoids/eliminates the haze.
1. I don't sing in the car (too much exhaling)
2. I close the top-dash vent for a few seconds when I see the haze starting.
Miki
got an invitation to fill out survey.. and test drive cars in westchester ny,it didnt say mb's specifically...but it should be interesting!
As for the outgassing haze, go grab the glass cleaning spray and towels from Griot's Garage (www.griotsgarage.com). Works amazingly well, even on bathroom mirrors at home (no fogging even w/ fan turned off).
Zmeenow, it gets too cold for me when I keep that vent closed since I have the other vents adjusted to blast me with air
Methinks it has something to do with the difference between the temperature outside and inside the car or heavy breathing
Miki
a moisture haze - opening & closing center vent can control this. I used RainX
Defogger inside front window to control this type. 2. oily haze caused by 'outgassing' of plasticisers used to protect/finish/manufacture plastic and vinyl components for the car's interior. It actually affects all windows but the thought is it is more prevalent directly above the center vent because of the volume of air passing through that vent. In theory this type of haze diminishes over time, mine
has. I don't want to go there with the heavy breathing type of haze. I hope this
isn't when the car is moving though. :-)
Just a reminder that the MB chat is on tonight (6-7pm Pacific/9-10 pm Eastern). Hope to see you there!
http://www.edmunds.com/townhall/chat/mercedeschat.html
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greg@thedailydonut.com
>a moisture haze - opening & closing center vent >can control this.
Mark -- thank you for setting the blonde straight
>I don't want to go there with the heavy >breathing type of haze. I >hope this
>isn't when the car is moving though. :-)
LOL -- I allow no distractions when I am driving.
Miki
His admiration for the shiny surface of my car was without bounds and he left here with one of my product catalogues from Proper Auto Care.
Miki
I just received the brochure about renewing TeleAid - $240 per year. Too much, in my opinion. Please read the fine print when you get this pitch - if you do nothing, MB will charge your credit card automatically. They got your card number when you initially signed up. I called and told them I didn't want to renew, and got the pitch again! The brochure has a paragraph in it that says something to the effect that some insurance companies give discounts for the theft locater system that might pay for the entire yearly service. I called my company (USAA) and found that I was already getting that discount, but it is about $25 per year, not quite enough to cover TeleAid.
Tom
I too have been looking into getting the MB extended warranty. A local dealer's finance guy quoted the brochure price of $2550 for the 48 month/100K miles version. He rapidly offered 10% off, then opined that NO MB dealer could, or would, sell the policy at prices like I told him I was seeing on the net. He said that MB wouldn't let them, etc. He wanted to know who was undercutting the official price, and said that they were either not a real MB dealer, or were selling an aftermarket product, not the genuine MB deal. I didn't snitch on Lisa...
I have the MB "Mercedes Care New Vehicle Extended Limited Warranty" contract. It refers to a "cancellation refund" that will be made "...if no claims have been made against this [contract]...cancellation refunds will be pro-rated based on the total selling price of the contract and the time in months expired since the New Vehicle Limited Warranty Start Date". I believe this date is the ORIGINAL warranty start date, not the extended warranty start date. The contract goes on to say: "Please see your [MB Dealer] for a copy of the Cancellation Refund Schedule". Do you have any info on this subject?
I would appreciate hearing how your extended warranty purchases turn out...
Tom
I'm familiar also with Honda's extended warranty, and the dealer practices associated therewith...same story, same outcome...there are plenty of dealers willing to sell more at less margin, it's just a question of finding them. Another reason for the rapid growth of internet communities like this one...
If you want to give your dealer a chance to match, do so, but don't tell them where you got it from...
Miki
The airbag deploys and MB sends the cavalry or you saved 200 bucks and you freeze to death. I doubt that this will ever happen but???????????
I am spending the money!
But does it really get that cold in beautiful NC ?
Just for info, if anyone wants to see some very nice photos of a Euro Delivery trip April 2001(BMW 330i), checkout Post #4 - Platypus in BMW 3 Series Photo Gallery. Lots of MB photos included !!! Beautiful scenery shots in Germany & Austria.
We are considering a 2nd vehicle: BMW 325i; C230 coupe; and maybe the Subaru Legacy GT Limited, to replace a 1993 Mazda. Hope to test drive each this weekend. Everyone have a Great Long Weekend & a Safe one too !
Ian
Where did you purchase your extended warranty for such a great deal? For that prices, I would do so without any hesitation.