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BTW, the insurance company notified us this morning the car is a write-off, not surprising since not one body panel was left unscathed, and none of the doors or trunk or hood would close anymore!. Lucky we had replacement cost coverage. Still going to miss it though. It was never a flashy car, but, IMO, a phenomenal combination of affordability, performance, comfort, reliability and practicality.
I am just thinking that if the Accord is lowered a bit, I guess it would have to be both in and out, it would give the driver a more "personal," "controlled," and sportier feel.
This is for the wife as she wants to get rid of the 03 MDX Touring w/ RES now Dilemma indeed!
I just received a solid quote for an 05 TL w/ Auto (non-NAVI) - Abyss Blue w/ Quartz Interior for $30,887 and w/ NAVI for $32,688 from Libertyville Acura here in Illinois. I have a solid $23,500 price for an 05 Accord EX V6 4-door w/ Auto out of Grand Honda. Wife still has to test drive the TL but with its MDX like amenities, I am sure she will like it much better ;-) I wonder which one she will bite on as both the TL and the EX V6’s prices are really good imho?
I am still waiting on an 05 PZEV based I4 - Accord EX-L w/ Auto and NAVI out of one of the clean fuel states when I sell my current ride and the prices are acceptable Maybe in another month or two?
Good Luck
Wayne R. Gerdes
Are the (subjectively) superior styling, additional (although unneeded) power, longer warranty, somewhat better amenities, and the prestige brand worth $7000? The purely rational consumer would say no. Last year, almost 78,000 buyers said yes.
The TL has 45 series tires with a speed rating of "W".
The Accord V6 EX V6 has 60 series tires with a speed rating of "H" while others have 65 series.
If you are unaware or unable to differentiate the ride of such tires or don't care of such details...it is fine to select the Accord.
If it was literally a pure monetary decision, then the monetary opportunities would extend to where instead of driving an Accord...the logical decision would be to drive a Civic.
If tlee followed his theory, he would also never buy the Porsches that he said he can buy with the savings
I test drove the TL and Accord when my wife was picking out her car and I thought that the TL should have either offered standard Nav or have been less money considering all the money Honda saved by using the same front wheel platform.
The TL is a decent car, but I think its fine to select an Accord if you can differentiate between being suckered into buying an overpriced model and the more logical choice.
Definitely a loaded statement!!! Anyone opting for a TL over an Accord has numerous "logical" reasons for doing so. Among them are greater HP, torque, handling, interior design and exterior design. :shades: In general, if I see a post where someone likes the TL, but complains that the ride is too unforgiving, I suggest the Accord, and it's definitely smart to check both out to see if you prefer the TL by enough to warrant the extra $$$, but to say the Accord is more "logical" is silly. Perhaps you should drive a Hyundai, since it'll get you where you want to go for a fraction of the price. Of course, I mean a used Hyunda!!!!
As an aside, unlike the TL, you cannot get a 6 cylinder Accord with a manual transmission & 4 doors. I am sure you would want a manual transmission, but only b/c it's less expensive and does better with gas mileage.
Yes...the TL may share the basic platform of the Accord...but you are missing the deltas. First...you have to consider some very visible differences. The TL frame is stiffer by how they put a huge heavy gauge torsion bar by the firewall (that could probably save your life in a frontal collision)...and they stiffen the rear by having stability struts behind the rear seats (to where you cannot have folding rear seat).
Add in all the other comments I made regard performance tires. Platform may be the same...but suspension different. If you drive an auto tranny...totally different algorithms.
OK...beyond the frame...let us look at other amentities. Go to the Acura or Honda web site and go ahead and run a comparison. Look at the various amentities and benefits. The TL has a higher trade-in residual value, longer warranty, power seats and memory, xeon headlamps, fog lamps, VSA stability control (great safety innovation that could save your family's life), wireless bluetooth, more headroom/legroom, and much much more such as the superior 6 CD player with 8 speakers. I could keep going. AND this comparison is made to the top of the line Accord ES V6. Try to compare that to other Accord configurations and the gap widens.
MrCooper...let me know how the TL is overpriced by not only having higher performance...but great safety features and amenities...and trade-in value. As a suggestion, you also mentioned that you test drove the cars...perhaps you should also allow your wife to test drive the cars also.
Yes....the Accord is a fine car. I would definitely consider an Accord. However...the above speaks well for the TL. I have higher expectations from my vehicles and the TL is the best value out on the road (Consumer Reports concurs)
I have higher expectations from my vehicles and the TL is the best value out on the road (Consumer Reports concurs)
My wife and I have tremendous respect for CR, and is a prime reason my wife chose a TL. And don't forget the TL gets great mileage for a 270 hp car and has very low emissions. WOW, what a great car. :shades:
Between you, frisconick and some other fanatical TL owners, i wonder how many thousands of words you guys have typed to protect and uphold the TL.
If you really thought there was "no comparison" between the TL and Accord, I dont think you or the others would waste so much time formulating your rebuttals.
Keep driving your TLs, drive them like there's no tomorrow
Am I here to protect the TL name? Doubt it as there are many car purchasers that do not read this forum. Doubt it as it isn't my first and last car. I will indeed find another car in the future worthy of me joining such a community here. A community I hope where I can share some insight through my ownership. Where I can perhaps share some unknowns (for instance...I hope I saved many readers serious $$$ through the pricing forum. Or when to perform the first oil change on an Acura. Or better yet...how I pointed out the falacy on this board where someone pointed out that they would save something like $200k in their lifetime by buying an Accord.).
I am not here to burn jet fuel in vain in altering your views. I am not here to force anyone to buy a TL. If I had it my way...there would be no more TLs made so I can better appreciate my joy. But I am not as self-fish.
At the same time...I am not a lurker that goes onto other car's posting site and go ahead and bird-poop on other's discussions without merit as you have.
If your interpretation of "no comparison" is so polarized and literal to the letter...then I really don't believe you have any cognizant ability to appreciate alternate points of views and experiences (hint... the 'no comparison' written by another is a dictum). Therefore...if you wish to enjoy your Accord....I wish you the very best. It is indeed a fine car. It could very well be the best car you will ever have in your lifetime.
If you are unable to appreciate the finer points of a TL (refer to my previous post listing the comparisons...which points to improved safety, amenities, and performance)...then you shouldn't buy a TL. The TL would be a horrible decision as you would find no joy in its features.
For those that may find value in such features (refer to post #737)...just perhaps they would be able to expand their vision and just perhaps consider the TL.
No doubt you TL is an automatic, RIGHT ?
MidCow
cruis'n in 6th :shades:
If you really thought there was "no comparison" between the TL and Accord, I dont think you or the others would waste so much time formulating your rebuttals.
While your post hasn't generated the same negativity in me as in delmar (maybe b/c your post was a direct reply to him), I do mirror many of his thoughts (and am admittedly jealous of his eloquence). I'm a happy TL owner and, for me, there was no comparison (for reasons I outlined earlier in this forum - post 736). Anyway, I participate in this forum b/c I believe you can compare any 2 cars, and most people have to compare "apples to oranges" because the deciding factor is price.
The Accord is a great car. The TL is a great car. Unfortunately, some people out there who would appreciate the differences btn the Accord and the TL will never test-drive or look into the TL b/c they think it's an overpriced Accord. Also a shame, some people who would prefer the Accord might not bother trying both and will always wonder if they made a mistake. Ultimately, they're cheating themselves - if anyone can afford either, they should check them both out, and I'd be happy to offer some of my real-world experience if it'll help.
Cooper, if you tested both and bought an Accord, then your opinion would and should carry weight with such folks, so give some practical advice or insights. Did you not notice the HP/torque difference? Did the Accord seem to give a smoother ride? Was the service at Honda better than Acura? I assume you have a 6 cyl Accord, right?
Just to make sure I do the proper disclaimers....and to frame my last message. I have no issues with the Accord. Fine vehicle. I do have a problem with those that flame without justification.
Let me do a cut and paste from my prior note when comparing the TL to a Accord EX V6 (top of the line). The TL has a higher trade-in residual value, longer warranty, power seats and memory, xeon headlamps, fog lamps, VSA stability control (great safety innovation that could save your family's life), wireless bluetooth, more headroom/legroom, and much much more such as the superior 6 CD player with 8 speakers. I could keep going.
Advantage of the Accord (per the Honda website) include lower price, more cup holders, higher mpg, less curb weight, and I believe the rear seats fold.
In summary...higher performance...greater safety features and amenities...and trade-in value for the TL. Accord...lower price, more cup holders, higher mpg.
As I advocate when buying cars....go test drive and make your own decisions. Don't believe me or anyone on this board. Trust your own judgment and enjoy whatever you should select.
Anyways, the Accord and TL are both great vehicles. I would have bought a TL but couldn't dish out that much money (and i hate how you have to pay for premium gas), so i settled for a Accord EX V6
In the TL...the seats are not only powered...but has memory settings based upon which key fob you use. So when I click the 'open door' button or use the key...it adjusts the seats to the memorized setting. Does the Accord have that also?
As for the VSC...wow...great feature that will definitely be a safety device every car should have.
I hope I did not offend any Accord owners or buyers earlier. Not my intent.
Also...if you folks are worried about premium fuel. You could always cheat and put regular. Just a little reduction in horsepower....
Honda products are great. Enjoy your Accord !
Nop it doesn't
I hope I did not offend any Accord owners or buyers earlier. Not my intent.
Nop, your not offending Accord owners. There is no denying the TL is a better car than the Accord. I would have bought it in a heart beat if i had enough money. The Accord is a great car, its the best car in its segment IMO.
Anyways
Hope you Enjoy your TL !
All Hondas and Acuras are great cars compared to their peers. Accords are fine cars.
Both of these cars are IMO the best in its segment.
I love my Accord, and i dont regret buying it at all. And i can see you all love your TL's and you dont reget buying it either.
Hope you all enjoy your TL's !
Now...only if you could teach some of those G35 folks the ability to discern value from the one dimensional factor of potential speed. ;->
If you look at both cars w/ nav (TL only has voice recog if you get the nav), I think the only related feature on the TL, but not the Accord, is a temp sensor that alerts the TL if the sun is angled towards the passenger side, triggering the a/c to adjust its passenger settings accordingly.
Any Accord w/ nav owners out there, please confirm if I am accurate.
I looked long and hard at both TL and Accord; I really could have afforded either but I bought a loaded 6 speed Accord Coupe with Nav, fog lights, splash guards, tint, Sylvania super stars,K &N air filter and Borla Exhaust. I am very please with my decision.
MidCow Triple Black Zainoed :shades:
P.S. - my anaylsis are in this thread earlier and also in a Altima SER vs. Accord thread.
LOL! In the midsize comparison thread we have been arguing over who is the classleader (Sonata vs Accord/Camry) and gmctruck posted this-
"We could sit here and debate "who's better" until the cows come home, but no one has a crystal ball. It all boils down to personal choice and people must make their own decisions.
Only time will tell which automakers survive and which ones don't. The back and forth debate in this forum has become kind of ridiculous and of little value except for the sake of argument."
I got sick of arguing and took his advice
I think Honda-Acura will last a very long time.
rasman is asking about a sound that he hears AFTER driving his car, not when starting out.
It sounds more like there is a problem with the gasket on rasman's fuel filler cap. The vacuum that builds up in the fuel tank may be sucking in outside air when the motor is turned off, thus resulting in a hissing or pressure release sound.
I doubt it would be a fuel filler cap issue as the TL would flash a warning indicator on the dash that the fill cap is loose or is leaking. And if there is a leak in the fill cap...it would be leaking whether the car is running or if it was turned-off.
Of course...it is difficult to figure out what is going on without hearing first hand what he is hearing. No sound bytes here.
the hiss i hear happens after a drive, as the car settles down in my garage it sounds like it comes from under the car, probably the rear end. best regards all rasman
very happy owner of a 2003 tl with 12000 miles on the odo.
Check out www.honda.co.uk and click on Accord Saloon.