2005 and Earlier Chevrolet Impala

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  • garywgaryw Member Posts: 116
    I like the crease and the headlights. They did not exagerate the jeweled theme that is so popular right now. Be honest - Lexus screwed up the ES300 with the elongated headlights.

    Hopefully the 04 Impala SS will get similar headlights.
  • drivinisfundrivinisfun Member Posts: 372
    The current ES300 is a total screw up. Japanese Anime styling clues don't mix too well with the concept of what it is supposed to be an entry level luxury sedan.

    It reminds me of the old Mazda MX3 of the 1990's with its bug eyed headlights...yuck!
  • atbearatbear Member Posts: 322
    I believe the new Impala will have HID headlights with LED side turn signals. At least that's what I've been told by the people who make the lights for Chevrolet.
  • gtmushgtmush Member Posts: 4
    Did anybody notice that the glove compartment light was another item to get Lutzed for '03?
  • b4zb4z Member Posts: 3,372
    HID would be cool, but an optional digital climate control would get me to buy another one.
  • b4zb4z Member Posts: 3,372
    The Impala has a glove compartment?
  • drivinisfundrivinisfun Member Posts: 372
    My 2002 MINI Cooper has a full sized glove box (lighted) and it is cooled to boot. Yeah I can put my Sub and chill my soda in there while on the road motoring! :):).

    Oh yeah and my Impala has a lighted glove box.

    Viva Lutz!
  • b4zb4z Member Posts: 3,372
    Where is this much talked about glove box?
  • It's on the passenger side dash. Apparently, you can fit ONE glove in it. (Standard glove only. No ski glove. No mitten.)
  • pluto5pluto5 Member Posts: 618
    MSRP is less than $25K according to GM Web site.None of the LS options are performance items IMO except for the side-impact airbag. If you delete the non-functional spoiler, that leaves you at $150 over the base price. The rest of the stuff are appearance items: sun roof, leather seats, CD player etc. are fun to have but all add to the loss of value everyone is complaining about. For less than $18K you get the good stuff, e.g., larger engine and better handling, even bucket seats. Don't forget the GM card earnings.
  • bh0001bh0001 Member Posts: 340
    Call me strange (everyone at work already does), but HID headlights and LED signals are almost enough to make me start thinking of moving up to a 2003! If they really do this for the '03 I'll drool every time I see one. Maybe my brother-in-law (parts manager at the dealer where I bought my car) will be able to give me a deal on just these parts (if they can be added to my '01).

    BTW, has anyone else noticed that the reflective lens on the front signals is designed to make the light look like it's LED? Fooled me the first time I saw it.
    Brad
  • emtbemtb Member Posts: 42
    You mean my car has a glove box? Hell, with the owner's manual in there, I don't think I can fit gloves in there... But I guess they make up for it with the trunk. You can hide bodies in there. Yes, plural. It's wonderful. :) Erm.. that came out wrong.
  • b4zb4z Member Posts: 3,372
    leather makes a car much easier to sell at resale time.
    My '01 LS had a MSRP of 25.5K an identical '03 is more than 2K more.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Member Posts: 2,287
    That depends on the area of the country. In the deep south or the far north, that may not be anywhere near as true.

    As for me, there is NO way I want leather seats, no way, no how. I wouldn't buy a used Impala with leather, or a new one. And if they ONLY came with leather, then some other manufacturer would be getting my business.

    Same story with cars that group needed options (for me) such as ABS with either moonroofs or leather. I will NOT own a car with either. Others love these things. They should be able to get them. As for me, I do not want them.

    This is what kept Mazda from selling me a car (twice, no less).

    Why don't I like leather?

    a. too cold, too hot...(and the rear seats do NOT get seat heaters, why punish the passengers?)

    b. a leather equipped car is noiser inside than a cloth one

    c. I just don't like it!

    and I haven't even addressed the philosophical concerns that some have, as in cows died so I can sit on them!
  • pluto5pluto5 Member Posts: 618
    But as far as comfort it's personal preference. Some claim leather's better for cleaning up kid poop. When I order a car I order for me, not the next guy.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Member Posts: 2,287
    Amen....and the answer to kid poop is not to let the kids poop in the car...at least after they are 12 anyway, LOL!

    I still wouldn't want leather, and I wouldn't want you to have to take cloth, either!
  • emtbemtb Member Posts: 42
    I dun care who's kids they are... mine... yours... my friends... and it doesn't matter what my seats are made of... cow hide, or cloth... If you're letting your kids poop on the seat, I have to wonder about you. There's a reason they invented diapers... And if they're -that- overflowing... *shudder* Well, I'll let you figure that out. :>

    Them Police impalas are getting evil, I swear!
  • pluto5pluto5 Member Posts: 618
    Everything from bubble gum to the the deep stuff. Did your kids ask you before they did anything? BTW this is supposed to be a family car.
  • emtbemtb Member Posts: 42
    Well, I guess. The family of bears on the interstate with pretty red and blue lights must love cleaning the kids poop out of their backseats. Heehee.
  • crosley4crosley4 Member Posts: 295
    our youngest will be 29 in December.... he had better not be making a mess on my Leather seats. LOL

    The grand kids on the other hand are another story.

    Our 2k Impala LS was the first car we had leather seating material in. I cannot imagine not liking the leather seats over cloth. I'll never go back.

    Tony
  • emtbemtb Member Posts: 42
    Kids in the back seat cause accidents.

    Accidents in the back seat cause kids.

    Bless you chevy for the big back seats. Bless you! :)
  • regulator75regulator75 Member Posts: 31
    I honestly can't stand cloth seats. Cars with cloth are always way more dusty inside, due to the fact that the cloth is constantly being rubbed and the particles settle on the dash and every where else.
  • drivinisfundrivinisfun Member Posts: 372
    I have cloth seats in my '01 LS and while they have held up very well and are very comfortable, my next car will definetely have Leather seats.

    My '02 Cooper offers 3 seat material choices (Like all other BMW's):

    * Cloth
    * Leatherette = Vinyl
    * Real Cowhide = Leather.

    In the MINI, Leatherette seats are offered as standard equipment but cloth can be specified as a $0 cost option. Real Leather runs for $1,250 extra.

    I ordered my Cooper with Letherette seats...why? Because they offer the best of both worlds, the Low cost of regular cloth upholstery and the looks, quality and strength of real cowhide.

    BMW's Leatherette is one of the highest quality seat materials offered in the industry, looks fantastic (can't tell whether is real leather or not), easy to clean and maintain, does not sag, crease, dry up, peel, etc like leather seating typically does overtime. No this is not your grandpa's 1965 Chevy Belair's sticky, slippery, hot and smelly black vinyl seats.

    Most manufacturers should offer high quality leatherette seating options in their vehicles. This gives a 3rd choice for those of us who don't like or want to put up with cloth seats or the extra expense and hassle of real leather.

    As far as I know, BMW is the only manufacturer that offers leatherette standard in the MINI and BMW model ranges.

    At one point I considered the Impala's "Leather" seats (Which with all due respect to those of you who own Leather seats in your Imps, looks more like cheap plastic imitation leather) but at $600 extra, I prefered to put up with the standard Sport Cloth Seats and they have been fine so far.

    Dust? I have the pollen A/C filter in my LS and keep my car regularly clean inside and out. Never a problem with dirt and dust. You can still get dirt in the fanciest Leather trimmed interior. This is more a problem of not keeping your interior clean frequently than anything else.
  • For less than $18K you get the good stuff,

    The sunroof, leather, CD, trip computer, steering wheel stereo controls, etc ARE the good stuff. A "stripped" LS is far from "well-equipped". It's pretty basic to me.

    If you're going to compare value between the LS and other vehicles, make sure you compare comparably equipped models, not a stripped LS to an well-equipped Camry/Accord/Altima/6. Fair's fair.

    But, I have to say a USED LS is anincredible value over ANY competitor. (as long as it's had the cradle and steering shaft fixes, and maybe new rotors, andcheck that manifold gasket.)
  • dmac8dmac8 Member Posts: 54
    The 3800V6 is often touted as "bulletproof". Has anyone put a lot of miles on the present generation Impala and can report on what the reliability has been like? I prefer the Chevy over the Camry and Accord, however, there is a lot of anecdotal and personal evidence that these cars have commonly gone past 200k miles.

    Thanks.
  • drivinisfundrivinisfun Member Posts: 372
    This morning after arriving to the office, I noticed a faint but still noticeable coolant smell coming from the engine bay.

    I popped open the hood and checked the Coolant recovery tank level and it appears to be right at or just a hair below the "Hot" line.

    Did not check the oil on the dipstick, but just had oil and filter changed less than 2 weeks ago.

    Car is running great otherwise and the engine temp gauge never goes above the middle mark.

    Should I be concerned? Is this an early symptom of the infamous warped upper manifold gasket or plenum?

    Car has 18K troublefree miles.
  • atbearatbear Member Posts: 322
    I disassembled my Thrasher CAI which is now for sale and installed a fenderwell intake in my car. email me if you want to know about either. atbear@cox.net
  • b4zb4z Member Posts: 3,372
    Take it to the dealer.
    I smelled mine for months before I took it to them.
  • drivinisfundrivinisfun Member Posts: 372
    "Take it to the dealer.
    I smelled mine for months before I took it to them."

    I already have setup a service appt for early tomorrow morning. They will be doing a Pressure Test first to see if indeed there is a leak somewhere in the system and if found get it fixed. The coolant level in the recovery tank seems OK, but the smell is there.

    I don't want to take any chances as if coolant is leaking into the oil this could spell serious trouble to the engine.

    I hope is just a hose leaking and not the upper intake manifold.

    Did they find the source of the leak? What parts/repairs were required?

    Kinda of a bummer but will hold off until the dealer finds the leak if there is one.
  • Check the oil to see if there is any "milky" coloring. That is one sign of coolant in the crankcase.

    If coolant is getting into the cylinders, you may see increased vapor coming out of the exhaust, or a coolant smell in the exhaust.

    If you can, leave a peice of cardboard under your car overnight. That might show leaks better than the concrete or blacktop you park on now.
  • bsappbsapp Member Posts: 21
    Would someone describe as best you can the coolant smell I've seen mentioned here. My 2002 LS has a smell inside that I attribute to "new car smell" but maybe a little stronger. Also, where should my indicator be on the temp gauge during normal operation? I don't think I've seen it go to the half way mark, usually it sits on the little mark right below or in between those two lines. I have tried to figure out the degrees that each line would indicate but I have not been able to come up with anything that satisifes me.

    Thank you

    Bill
  • drivinisfundrivinisfun Member Posts: 372
    Thx, I'll try these. Items 1 & 3 I can easily check tonight. Item #2 I'll check in the morning, although I haven't seen evidence of increased vapor coming out of the tailpipe.

    Will see what the dealer has to say tomorrow after they do the pressure test. They'll have the car for the entire day.
  • b4zb4z Member Posts: 3,372
    My problem was that the upper manifold base was warped. As you know this is thermoplastic.

    I actually saw some coolant on one of the accessory drives on the engine. I thought it was a gasket leak.

    maybe it was a gasket leak and they charged GM for the manifold base. i don't know.

    All I can tell you is that i took the car in the morning without an appointment and about 4-5 hours later my car was ready.

    tells me that they keep these parts in stock so it must be a fairly common occurence.
  • charts2charts2 Member Posts: 618
    For those that have had this problem is it with the 3400 engine or the 3800? Also when repairs were done was the upper manifold repaired or replaced with an updated version or just replaced with a new one the same style? I imagine it is quite costly if out of warranty.......
  • reeferreefer Member Posts: 37
    Have a 2002 LS with leather seats. I like the seats but find them too slippery. Can't remain comfortable while driving. I am considering ordering a set of Wet Okole neoprene seat covers for the front buckets (less butt slippage.) But am wondering if the seat covers will fit the leather without slipping and sliding around on the seats. I don't want to drop $225. on seat covers that will slip as much as my butt does on the leather seats. Has anyone used these covers on leather seats? Strange problem huh? I find it hard to hug the corners at high speed with my butt sliding all over the place. Please, keep the humorous comments to a minimum. Thanks.
  • nosirrahgnosirrahg Member Posts: 872
    I'm only approaching 45k on my 2000 Impala w/3.8l engine, but I have an uncle who owned an 80's model Buick LeSabre with essentially the same engine, which they drove well over 100k miles before finally selling it. Based on his experience (and information gleaned elsewhere), I purposely sought out a vehicle with the 3.8 engine (having a big GM Card rebate had already narrowed my sights to GM products).

    My brother (who has @ 380k on his '84 Toyota pickup) managed to drive an '82 Buick Century wagon (with I think a 2.4 liter engine) for almost 170k miles before it played out on him. Granted, it sounded pretty rough in it's latter years, but it just goes to show that regular maintainence/oil changes can prolong the life of any engine. If my brother could get 170k out of his underpowered Buick, I have little doubt a properly maintained 3.8l will go 200k. I plan to drive mine for at least 7-8 more years; possibly longer assuming it hasn't become problematic (and since my kids will be approaching college age at that point, I might not have a choice!!!).
  • Please, keep the humorous comments to a minimum.

    That counts me out.
  • crosley4crosley4 Member Posts: 295
    I would think some velcro would assist you in less slippage of the butt on the leather seats.

    Tony
  • b4zb4z Member Posts: 3,372
    3800 engine.
    There was a redesign in the late '90s and the thermoplastic intake manifold assembly replaced the aluminum one.
    Might have been in '97.
  • charts2charts2 Member Posts: 618
    Thanks for that info but has the current problem (2002) been corrected or are they just replacing the thermoplastic intake manifold with another thermoplastic assembly. It seems there are several current Impala owners with this problem. Its great to have it covered under warranty but down the road is this problem going to come up again when I am out of warranty? Anyone.......
  • drivinisfundrivinisfun Member Posts: 372
    All 3800 Series II V6 engines manufactured since 1997 have the thermoplastic manifold, all of them without exception.

    Replacing the upper intake manifold is not that easy of a job for what I have read in other forums. It seems the 3.4L V6 engine is a real pain in the rear when it comes to these problems.

    Brought my car in this morning to the dealership and the service manager and service advisor noticed the strong coolant smell coming from the engine bay. The coolant level in the recovery tank was midway between the COLD and HOT marks suggesting that indeed there is a leak somewhere in the system as the level should have been sitting all the way up in the HOT mark. Still, the car ran fine to the dealer and the temp gauge never went pass the last marker before the middle mark.

    Car is currently undergoing a pressure test of the cooling system. I am awaiting to hear from the dealer on the results of the test and what will be done next (Depending on where the leak(s) are found).

    This is my first ever problem logged with the car. I hope the coolant leak is external albeit a minor one too.

    This problem does not change my opinion on the 3800 V6 engine as an extremely solid and reliable powerplant. However, the choice of a plastic manifold intake is questionnable over the long term due to durability issues. But the engine itself, is a sure bet from all performance and reliability standpoints.
  • drivinisfundrivinisfun Member Posts: 372
    Out of warranty, the cost of replacing the upper manifold intake could run between $800 to $1000 based on what I was quoted when I asked about the out of contract costs of repair.

    It would be very wise for anyone keeping their Imps past the 3 year/36,000 mile warranty to get solid and comprehensive extended warranty coverage. I personally would not keep an Impala without an extended service contract. I do not distrust the engine/transmission and other parts of the car at all, but components such as the Intake Manifold and the ISS do seem to have questionnable durability and high repair costs over the life of the car.
  • What kind of pants are you wearing when you drive? In all the time I had my car, I don't recall slip sliding on the leather bucket seats. I drove it pretty aggressively, too. I'm generally clad in jeans.
  • drivinisfundrivinisfun Member Posts: 372
    Just received a call from the dealer. Veredict: the car is fine and it does not currently have any coolant leaks. They told me they had pressure tested the car (with engine cold) and the machine could not find any leaks in the system. Oil looks good (Again it was replaced 2 weeks ago) same as the recovery tank for the coolant.

    We are still puzzled about the coolant odor coming from the engine compartment. Could it be that the dealer techs spilled somnething inside the engine during the last service visit?

    So, I guess these are good news. If there is still a problem in the coolant system, it will just get worse overtime. I will keep checking on the coolant level every other day and generally keep an eye on things. Otherwise, I am getting ready to go and pick up my Imp in a few minutes.
  • charts2charts2 Member Posts: 618
    Thanks for the comprehensive update of this manifold problem and good news your Impala is OK !
  • Better keep an eye on it. Just because the dealer says it's OK, does not mean it is OK.
  • drivinisfundrivinisfun Member Posts: 372
    "Better keep an eye on it. Just because the dealer says it's OK, does not mean it is OK."

    You bet I will.
  • b4zb4z Member Posts: 3,372
    If you smell coolant you have a leak.
    That is all there is to it.

    I think they are replacing these intakes with the same ones.

    I found no leak in mine for a good 3-4 months the coolant recovery tank finally started going down and my temp gauge inched past the halfway point in a McDonald's drive thru after over 10 minutes of waiting.
    it had never gone past the halfway point since i owned it and i have never put additional coolant in.

    The only other thing it could be is a heater core and you DEFINITeLY don't want that to happen.

    Unfortunately with every iteration of the 3800 GM will take cost out of the engine. That means reliabilty/durability too.
  • hvan3hvan3 Member Posts: 630
    "I find it hard to hug the corners at high speed with my butt sliding all over the place."

    You must have a small butt! LOL Sorry, I couldn't resist.
  • Maybe it only happens on the way home from the proctologist.
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