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that should be interesting to see. i thought there was not enough space to fit an in dash dvd player in ody with navi.
do you think it would be possible to just buy the in dash ives dvd player without the screen. I already have ives vhs and wouldnt' want to pay another $1500 for the ives dvd.
srallen1,
you might as well look into an aftermarket system to compare prices. if shop on the internet you should be able to get ives cheaper than what the dealer would charge you. you can then get the dealer to match the internet price. problem right now is that there isn't even a part number for the ives-dvd so it can't be ordered yet.
It's probably going to cost you anywhere from $1500-$1700 installed. At those prices you might be able to get an aftermarket option that is better. just make sure that the dvd player can remember where it was playing once you turn the key. also, make sure they don't replace the factory radio because you will probably lose the audio functions of the steering wheel.
that is the problem i am having right now with my portable dvd player that i connected to my ives-vhs. if the kids are watching a dvd and you pull up to pump gas, you have to switch the igntion to accessory. dvd continues playing with no problems. the moment you turn the igntion switch back to on, all power is cut to the vehicle briefly and the dvd player has to start all over again. pain in the butt!!!!!
I couldn't transfer my Thule racks from my MBZ ML320 SUV to the Odyssey. I would of had to go buy new cross bars because the feet wouldn't slide in far enough. I went with the Odyssey cross bars since they provide a lower profile - you can still attach all your thule stuff to the honda cross bars, but you will need new clamp ons.
I've abandoned putting bikes on top and opted for the Thule rear mounted 4 bike rack. Life is so much easier now.
All the items you mentioned were grossly marked up by the dealer and all are easy enough to put on yourself - so just go to Handa.com.
We bought an Odyssey because we needed a usable third row. The 3rd seat in the MDX is OK but with 2 baby seats in the second row, we would need to remove one of the seats every time someone went in and out of the 3rd row. Also, with the 3rd row up, you have very little storage space. We got an EX-L which, I think, is very nice (not quite as luxurious as the MDX but still nice). Added benefits are better gas mileage and about $7k in my pocket.
I think the MDX is the best SUV on the market. I did not drive a Pilot (not out yet) but since it is based on the MDX platform I would think it is also a great choice. The BMW is very nice but much smaller. The Odyssey is the best van. Can't really go wrong with either one.
no, the i-ves system cannot be installed with a navi if it goes to DVD. look aftermarket...especially audiovox or, even better, clarion...the clarion system has an 8-inch screen, a TV tuner, and an FM modulator for not much more than the factory RES system.
I have an Accord which after it's 90K service sounded and worked like the day I bought it. Other than maintenance things, I have never brought that Accord in for anything! Knock on wood now. I'm betting on the fact that Ody will have the same reliability that Honda owners have come to expect, although I do see that "Ody problem" message board.
I love German cars but the reliability stinks too. That's why I lease my current X5. I've owned it since 2/02 and been in the shop 4 times already for a window that stop one-touching up. Luckily, I have 3 years free maintenance and after that, I'll go back to the reliability of the Hondas. One of those "need to get out of my system" thing.
no, the i-ves system cannot be installed with a navi if it goes to DVD. look aftermarket...especially audiovox or, even better, clarion...the clarion system has an 8-inch screen, a TV tuner, and an FM modulator for not much more than the factory RES system.
I have a 2000 LX with 32,000 miles. So far no problems but I want the warranty so I can sleep at night and not worry about the tranny going and having to fork over $3k+.
you can save money if you get an aftermarket warranty, but you take the chance of dealers not honoring it, and you may have a deductible.
the honda warranty may cost you more, but it may also give you the peace of mind you are looking for.
I know a lot of people complain about fuel efficiency not being up to snuff. I wonder if it is because the Odys have to fuel 2 A/C units instead of just one.
Along those lines - my gut feeling is that the A/C (in the front) is always running, regardless of temperature, semi-auto or full auto - unless you hit the "A/C off" button. The reason the default may be A/C on non-stop is that it is useful to dehumidify anytime and speeds up defrosting when you have the heat up.
Our Canadian government Natural Resources Department quotes an increased fuel consumption of up to 20% for 1 A/C unit in city driving.
?Is this the reason why some people's fuel efficiency is so much lower than EPA estimate???
billg7 Feb 8, 2001 7:27pm
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What is the suggested retail on the 7/100,000 mile Honda Care plan and what would be a good price to pay? I noticed the figure of $895 quoted from 3 dealers on the link that Steve mentioned. Is this for the 7/100,000 and is it a good price?
Honda's site indicates that the Honda Care plans can be purchased anytime during the cars warranty period. Do you pay more later on, say at 24,000 miles?
I’m also planning on getting some accessories. Can you enlighten me on what I should be paying for the installation of the following options:
Fog lights
Wood Grain Steering Wheel
CD Changer (under seat)
Subwoofer
Towing Package kit with ATF and Power Steering cooler
Also, if I purchase the parts from a place like HandA.com, will the dealer install? Will it be covered under warranty? If I buy the parts from HandA and install myself, will they be covered under the cars warranty?
I appreciate your posts on the Edmunds forums and have found your comments to be very informative.
Our 2001 Odyssey LX has not had a reliability issue in 20k miles. Granted, that is a sample of one, but even Consumer Reports' latest online survey data gives the 2000 and 2001 Odyssey the best rating in the transmission category (full red circle), while the 1999 received the second best (half red circle). Also, Carpoint ( http://carpoint.msn.com/vip/usedrelover.aspx?make=Honda&model=Odyssey ) did not identify any particular issues for the 1999 model.
If you are towing or hauling full loads, the cooler is certainly a good idea.
I have heard of one problem with an 02 tranny. I agree with Cavailler, tranny problems on 99-01 are blown out of proportion, especially if your source data is Edmunds Honda Problems board. My theory is that with the scarsity of Honda vans out there, especially in the first 2-3 years, consumers were forced to the web as a source of pricing and product availability information. This has resulted in Honda vans owners being more inclined to communicate and post problems on web chat sites than owners of other minivans. Oh well, sounds good anyway.
02 and 03 models incorporate a redesigned, 5 speed tranny.
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as for the accessories, i CAN help...
1. fog lights $699 installed
2.steering wheel $200-$300 installed
3.changer $699 installed
4.subwoofer $350-$500 installed
5.towing pkg $995 installed
price is the same whether you buy from honda.com or from the dealer. make sure you document prices from the net so the dealer doesnt gouge you though...never know what dealer you are dealing with.
no, dont install yourself...especially electronics. the part is warranteed, but if, say, the foglight comes loose...its all on you. if you get all this done by the dealer, then any issues are completely on honda...let them worry.
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dchopp: This was also the first time I had ever bought an extended warranty. I ended up also buying one for my 2001 Nissan Pathfinder (which has been absolutely bulletproof to date). It's just getting too expensive these days to fix vehicles, especially with power doors, traction control, ABS, all-wheel drive, etc., etc.
The article clarifies this - 1.6% replacement rate (16,000 of 1,000,000)for the problem Acura and Honda transmissions. Honda admits this is high.
We got our Ody 2 months ago. Wonder if it is part of the "problem-cured" series - anyone know which VIN numbers incorporate the fix?
Re. ext.warranty - I also have never purchased an ext. warr until this vehicle. This is highly ironic given the Honda name and the fact that I paid full MSRP here in Canada.
This proven Honda transmission problem is the reason why we went for the ext warr (7/160k - $1336 CDN)
I wish everybody good luck on their trannys. Cross your fingers.
Consumer Reports gives its best category reliability rating when problem rates are from 0 to 2%, a full red circle. The next best is a half-red circle, 2 to 5%. Granted, this would encompass more than failures, basically anything defined as serious by a CR subscriber.
This seems to give some support to my claim that while these problems are among the more typical of those found on the Odyssey, they are not as rampant as some people may conclude by reading owner complaint forums.
Presumably, if it does become a rampant problem, we will all be awarded an extended warranty to cover specific transmission problems related to the failures. Most vehicles suffer from at least a few typical problems, which are easily found on owner's complaint forums. Toyota minivans had their engine sludge issues, Chryco vans had chronic transmission complaints for years in the mid and late 90s and Windstar's had a bout of engine problems in the mid 90s. You makes your choice, you takes your chances- and though every model will have lemons, most new vehicles are pretty reliable.
What does the future hold when the mileage begins to accumulate on these transmission, and warranties have expired. I think the resale value of these vehicles may be less than hoped for as these cars age.
What does the future hold when the mileage begins to accumulate on these transmission, and warranties have expired. I think the resale value of these vehicles may be less than hoped for as these cars age."
If, as you claim, many of these failures are early life failures at low mileage, then the future may not be as bad as you suggest.
Most manufactured parts and assemblies tend tend to exhibit many failures early in life, perhaps from sub-standard parts, materials, etc. This often corresponds to the first phase of warranties on most products, often 90 days on electronics or 12/12k on vehicles where almost everything is covered.
This is followed by a long period of relatively few failures, which is sometimes correlated to the remaining warranty, perhaps the extra year on parts for electronics or the bumper to bumper warranty on vehicles which may go to 36k, 50k or more.
Then the failure rate goes up again as parts wear out from accumulated stress due to heat cycles or other means at the end of life, usually not covered by most warranties.
While this "Bathtub Curve" doesn't apply to all systems, it does apply to a wide variety of mechanical and electrical products.
If, as the article suggests, some sub standard bearings or clutch packs were used, then it is quite likely that the faulty parts will shake out as failures in the infant mortality period. The remaining majority will remain fairly reliable until mechanical wear causes end of life failures.
These issues concerned me enough to change my transmission fluid at 20k, at a cost of about $10 and an hour of time. I did the same with our '95 Chrysler Cirrus which had the notoriously unreliable 41TE/42LE transmission (though ours never had a problem in the 50k+ we owned it). Unless the failure rates are above 10%, I'm not going to be too concerned about it. Granted, I don't usually buy vehicles based on perceived reliability or resale value. Safety and convenience are more important to me.
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With both an '02 Accord V6 and an '01 CL-S in our household I'm just a wee bit nervous right about now!
This is the **reported** failure rate.
One thing I've noticed on some of the boards (OdyClub included)is how subtle some of the symptoms are of transmission problems that ultimately lead to replacement.
Obviously, there are a lot of owners who are much more mechanically inclined than I who can pick up these signs and have them tended to.
On the other hand, I'm sure that there are a large number of owners who are unaware of this issue entirely and/or lack the mechanical savvy to pick them out.
Also re. wear and tear / time issues, we'll have to see if this rate of 1.6% holds, increases or decreases.
? Anybody know what VIN's have had the clutchpack fixed, or where this info could be found?
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Imagine a family tooling down the freeway when this happens. Freeway speeds are much higher than street speeds, and colissions are much more fatal. If a family were to be destroyed by such an accident, Honda might as well pack up their bags and discontinue the Odyssey from all the negative press.
Yes, 1.6% is a low probability, but I bought my minivan knowing it was the best and safest minivan on the road (for 2000) for my family. Honda should at the very least have a program in place to test or check for these potential tranny problems before it fails completely and real people die from this.
On the economic side to this, Honda should also step up their production for replacement trannys. I've heard downtimes of over a month for some tranny replacements. That's a ludicrously long time to wait for a $25+K vehicle!
Odyssey leather and color restraint...62% for EXL, EXL/RES and EXL/NAV. Havasu is not to be included in this allocation. Availability of Havasu Blue will improve in January when Alabama begins to paint it.
Hope this helps.
Jerry
Of course, the Explorer and Firestone Wilderness tires still exist, despite the real dangers of that issue. SUV rollovers kill people every day, yet people still snap them up in the showrooms with hardly a thought to the risk of death or injury which could be avoided with another vehicle choice.
Personally, the remote odds of a transmission failing unexpectedly on the road and possibly leading to a sudden downshift don't bother me. Proven problems with tires and brakes and steering problems that have high rates of failure would bother me...
If you see a rash of news stories regarding fatalities or injuries from this scenario, then maybe it's time to start a panic. Until then, I won't be losing any sleep over it, and I buckle my kids in our Odyssey every day...