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It is only available in Washington DC, Maryland, and Virginia.
too bad, i've heard people get the Ody at just over invoice (that's invoice not MSRP).
Some LA dealers are taking orders at MSRP.
I can't believe Honda isn't even giving a hint about what to expect.....
Laz
MSRP is MSRP, it is what the Monroney label says it is.
Jerry
This is my first posting on the board and I want to say thank-you to all the faithful ODY owners. I have been following the board for a long time and have done my homework on the vans. Now its time for a story.
One day my wife said we needed a van so she says just go buy one. I said "What ?" with no research ? HA !
It was about a year later we took three vans for a ride. The first was a 2001 Chrysler. Nice ride but the mechanic and dealer owner said at 100,000 miles I would need $1900.00 for a new transmission ! Good-bye !
The second test ride was the Toyota Sienna from Allegheny Toyota in Reno, PA. Great ride, handling was okay but the inside was a bit small. The salesman Dan was super to deal with and he did his best on the price. It wasn't his fault Toyota started out way above the Honda !
Our third and final test ride came from the one and only Honda dealer in Erie, PA. What a nightmare !!
I have seen postings on bad dealerships but this one takes the cake !. Three hours AFTER the test ride they decide to talk to us (my family of five and one on the way). What would you like to do they said ?. I will tell you I said, " Good-bye "
( I wanted to say something else but my wife held my tongue).
Now its time to shop for a GOOD Honda dealer. 14 phone calls and 5 states later we found one. Of all the dealers I contacted, everyone was MSRP.
But we really wanted to stick close to home and found COUNTRY MOTORS in Butler, PA. Salesman was Bernie and he was excellent to deal with. I sent him 2 more customers and they ordered Ody's also.
We talked about an LX but ended up ordering a 2002 GG EX for MSRP (whatever that will be ). Since everyone was MSRP I did my best to wheel and deal and they ended up throwing in fog lights, roof rack and splash guards for MSRP. I was a happy camper !
Now the waiting game starts. I have spoke with Bernie and our van will be made in September. I let him know that I wanted one from Canada and not one from the new assembly line thats just starting up. We still don't know what MSRP will be yet but Bernie seems to think that it will be $500.00 up from last year.
We are glad we waited for the 2002 with all the new changes. Honda changed exactly the things I had in mind !
Hard to say but we can hardly wait for our new ODY !!
How much was the total in extra's you received for free?
I am helping a sister buy a 2002 and wanted to try and get something free since were paying sticker.
Thanks in advance. Good luck with your new car.
Jim
When we were shopping at other dealerships for our Ody, we were quoted different prices on the fog lamps, roof rack and splash guards.
Just to refresh my memory, I dug out my vehicle purchase agreement that we signed at the dealership when we ordered our Ody on 06/29/01. We put $500.00 down on the purchase price and then I found a little surprise I forgot about.
It was fog lights, mud guards, AND a bug shield !. Not the roof rack. As I think back now, we wanted the LX with the rack but the EX comes with it already.
Bernie didn't give us a total price on all the options but from what I gathered from info. on the net and other dealerships, I believe we are getting approx. $700.00 in OEM parts. Of course that figure doesn't include the labor from the dealership to put the options on.
I had thought of the LX like I read from some other folks and then putting the options on myself but the EX had some extras we liked. Whatever model we bought I had still wanted fog lights, bug shield and mud guards and a roof rack.
Our Ody is scheduled to be built in Sept. Bernie will call us when he receives a VIN number from Honda.
Sounds like TN might have a good deal for people who would travel some. If we can't haggle on the price then they (dealers) could throw in some options for spending that kind of money !
Good luck on finding a great deal for your sister.
What does UBS stand for?
As for everything else, well its sucks. The big three American auto maker's lack quality and resale value.
How can you offers customers value when the car is re-sold 4-5 years later and its falling apart.
0.9 financing offers and rebates kill resale.
1. Most car buyers want to be able to go to the car dealer and buy the car that day. They don't want to wait a number of months.
2. Most car buyers want a deal and want to be able to bargain on a car, which they often can't, on an Odyssey. Buying at MSRP, and especially above, turns them off. The other auto dealers also offer special low interest financing plans.
3. In the past the Odyssey did not come with a fancy interior option or entertainment TV option, but will as I understand it, in 2002.
4. Some car buyers will only buy American Cars. I see the US Post Office is using some mini vans in my area, to deliver the mail, and the US government buys American vehicles only.
American mini vans have plenty of neat features, styling, performance, safety and great incentives.
Most important to many people are:
Safety
Quality/maitience
Styling
Resale
Reputation
Several people I know who own windstar and Caravan wish they had a better made automobile and were disappointed buy low resale values.
Honda has been in the mini van business a few years, and in that short amount of time they have done a great job.
Going forward you will see more bells and whistles on there cars, but quality will continue to be at the core of Honda's business model.
Padded arm rest, child safety seat and dual control temp controls are not issue of quality but consumer demand.
Ford, GM and Dodge can dump as much product down the pipe and loyal customers will buy American regardless of any of the above reasons(i.e. Explorer).
I was not able to find a Odyssey for rent anywhere, when I wanted to rent one to test drive.
Honda sells every Odyssey they can make and how can you sell more Odysseys then you make?
It would be illegal for one thing.
As an example. At my dealership we receive 20-25 Odys per month...we dont play games and put people on lists nor do we mark up anything over MSRP or do add-ons. In the 3 years that we have taken this policy and strategy we have not had ONE Odyssey hit our dealership that is unsold. Now we aill on occaison get a cancellation, but before the end of that day that van is sold.
There isn't another manufacturer that can say the same thing. We also have in our group a Chrysler store...they are awash in Voyagers and T&C's. Even at the .9% interest rate.
So, why is this? Plain and simple...quality and value.
Maybe its just my perception. Honda is the leader in quality and value but it always seems to be playing catchup in safety. If they really wanted to blow the competition out of the water, they should have offered side impact head protection airbags. That's where Toyota will pass them up again with their 2003 model year Sienna.
Now for those of you who are going to site the quadruple 5 star in government crash tests, I have this to say. The governments crash tests are designed to verify compliance not quality. The NHTSA's crash test dummies are ancient and the height of the side impact barrier too low to give a result that would reflect a real life side impact crash. I want NHTSA to raise the side impact testing height to tell me tell me how the Ody will do if hit by an SUV from the side. I want to be able to buy the Odyssey without any reservations. I don't want to have to think about buying a ML320 or a Sequoia to protect my family from all the loonies out there. I care about the environment and I care if I hit a small car and cause severe damage to it and its occupants.
So, good job Honda, but try to be a little more bold and imaginative, instead of always playing catchup.
I think you are misinformed about the Odyssey.
I had both doors on the passenger side and the center and side door pillars damaged in a low speed accident. From that I can tell you that if you take it to the Honda dealer to fix they will fix it like new and the power doors will work like new. Because of the power doors I would take it to the Honda dealer only, or you might have a problem with the power doors. The dealer had to put in an extra effort on the doors he told me.
On what Honda should add to the Odyssey. We all have a wish list and most of our wish lists will never be fulfilled on any car. They seem to be working off a wish list for the 2002's.
I have a simple wish list for the Odyssey. Add a rear air deflector like there are on so many American mini vans and SUV's. They work a lot better then the rear wiper/washer does. I know because I had them on my other cars for over 20 years. My other wish is for a warning indicator for objects in the rear, also like they put on some American mini vans.
Just got our Ody about 3 weeks ago and really like it. One thing I haven't figured out, but probably just haven't tried the right permutation:
When using the climate control system in "manual" mode (e.g., in vent mode), I cannot seem to select the fan speed, even by turning the fan knob. Is the fan speed controllable in manual mode, or only when in "auto" mode?
Thanks much,
Roger
Yes, the NHTSA uses only a 3015 pound deformable ram that simulates a car. Since it is car height, van and SUV occupants have an advantage since they sit higher than the impact point. That's why even SUVs and minivans without side impact airbags manage to get 5 stars. In the real world when you collide with another minivan, an SUV, pickup truck, or full-size van, this advantage height disappears. If the NHTSA changes its battering ram to one which is SUV height and weight, you will see SUVs and minivans with no side impact airbags faring worse than their current 5 stars in the side impact crash. Note that the NHTSA's rather old dummies currently do not measure head injuries in side impacts, only thorax forces.
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Jerry
thanks,
Richard
arbabc-
The NHTSA side impact tests are not ideal. Many are asking for improvements. As far as I know, they are NOT compliance tests. They are supplemental to the governments basic pass/fail compliance program. Side impacts are usually very deadly, given the lack of crush space. On the other hand, only one vehicle is usually moving toward the other in a side impact. The vehicle that is struck is usually pushed back and that absorbs some energy and gives a little more time for passengers to ride down a crash in comparison to a frontal crash where both vehicles stop suddenly, or where the lighter one changes direction.
Billg7-
Real life death an injury data do have a component of crashworthiness in them. Unfortunately, they also have a large component of driver profile in them. "Twin" vehicles often get very different ratings. I wouldn't tend to use the death or injury data isolated from all the other crash and rollover ratings. The data can be found at iihs.org.
Odyssey's new side airbags are an improvement for safety. I wish they had added an inflatable curtain side airbag, stability control and runflat tires as well.
Side impact airbags are a good thing, but keep in mind that many curtain and other systems also affect the rear. Interactions of side airbags with kids are not well known. Perhaps this is part of the reasons that these airbags have been slower to appear in minivans?
In any case, this was a topic of great interest at a recent conference on Child Passenger Safety. I expect there will be a lot more information and innovation in the next few years. Don't expect Honda or any other company to be too far behind in safety, especially in the minivan category.
1.Turn off the engine.
2.Press and hold the select/reset button in the instrument panel, then turn the ignition switch ON (II). The select/reset button is at the bottom between the speedometer gauge and the fuel/temperature gauge and it is clearly labeled.
3. Hold the button for about ten seconds, until the indicator resets.
I have not had good luck having my oil change and lube done at other then a dealer. On the car I owned before my Odyssey there were only 4 grease fittings and all in front. The dealer would always grease these fittings. About 60% of the time the service stations and discount lube places would miss the top two for some reason. Also about 25% of the time they would put 10-40 instead of 10-30 oil in. About 10% of the time they would add to much oil and overflow it. Also I doubt if they did the maintenance checks they are suppose to do. They usually hire very young, untrained, and poorly paid personnel to do the job.
I am probably one of the few people who would check them on these things. Most of the people who use a non dealer never check and therefore never know. They end up having a higher cost for maintenance on their vehicles then I do.
New colors (red dots) - Evergreen Pearl, Redrock Pearl, Havasu Blue Metallic
Exterior/Interior Leather color combinations (left to right):
Granite Green Metallic/Fern Leather
Evergreen Pearl/Ivory Leather
Mesa Beige Metallic/Ivory Leather
Starlight Silver Metallic/Quartz Leather
Tafetta White/Fern Leather
Redrock Pearl/Quartz Leather
Havasu Blue Metallic/Fern Leather