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What exactly do you want?
Are the seats that different? Can they be swapped out? Wonder why no complaints on the Pilot seats?
Whether true or not, I'd read that all those Hondas came equipped with receivers allowing remote unlocking, and any remote can be programmed to work following the sequence.
My remotes, by the way, aren't the ones on that page. I have no idea who manufactured them.
My 2000 Odyssey EX Transmission was replaced in January (2000 miles ago) by Honda. I think it is shifting hard again between first and second gears. On a rolling stop and go, it slams into first.
Since I didn't buy the car new, I am unsure if this is normal. My '03 Accord V6 shifts smoothly, so not all Hondas have hard shifts.
What is going to happen after 100k? Who will want a used Ody with no warranty after 100K and the repairs will fall on the owner?
Pay more and get less! Not the reason to buy a Honda product.
"So, if you build a vehicle that won't stand up,..."
just4fun2 - wouldn't it be more accurate to say might not stand up or are you stating with some degree of confidence that these vehicles will not stand up?
This isn't a game or words. Most, all or some doesn't amount to a hill of beans when it is not your problem.
Maybe you can contact Honda Of America and ask them to send you a stastical report conducted by an outside source concerning their transmissions problems. Would be worth a look.
1999 - 77,626
2000 - 126,686
2001 - 131,041
2002 - N/A
2003 - 154,063
2004 - 154,238
Let's not guess, ok. =-)
Wow. Going out on a major limb there aren't you? Could be said about ANYONE driving ANY car who has had ANY problem. I suppose it Honda had one transmission fail, then the owner of that Ody was driving a van that "won't stand up". No kidding.
As far as # of replacement transmissions: how many transmissions were abused and how many failed due to a defect? Do we know that number? I certainly don't; AFAIK, all you are doing is repeating anecdotal 'evidence' from ONE post. Two or three transmissions that failed due to a defect? If the defect was really that prevalent, then wouldn't virtually every Ody owner require a new tranny? Or do you think it is possible, just possible, that perhaps these transmissions may have been abused? Naaaaaaaaahhhhh, couldn't be....
I can give you some anecdotal evidence of my own: I'm the owner of an '00 model Celica GTS with a 6-spd manual. When this model was introduced, there was several reports of individuals attempting a downshift from 6th to 4th who were accidently going from 6th to 2nd instead. You can just imagine the results to the valvetrain when this is attempted at 80mph. This only happened however when trying to downshift exceptionally fast (ie: street-racing the kid in the next lane with the Integra GSR). Yet Toyota was fixing these trannys, and replacing engines, under warranty. The owners were claiming 'defect'; I call it owner abuse. Some of these owners experieced this 'defect' 2-3 times. I know; they crowed about it on some of the Celica forums, even admitting they were racing yet getting Toyota to pay for the replacement drivetrain. Because of a 'defect'.
Game of words? C'mon, you've been playing the word game for quite sometime; without any knowledge whatsoever regarding the actual numbers of failed transmissions ;due to a defect, you've been making broad, categorical generalizations like "WON'T STAND UP" when you don't know if the percentage is 2%, 1% or even 0.1%.
According to the valuable information provided by cartalk, Honda sold nearly 650,000 2nd generation Odyssey's with the data for 2002 unavailable. If we assume that 2002 was similar to 2003/2004, that's another 150k units for a total of nearly 800,000 units.
How many units were equipped with the older 4-speed transmissions? I certainly don't know, but I was under the impression that most of the problems were with the older unit. And since Honda has identified a weak point regarding oiling on 2nd gear in the 5sp-units (please correct me if I'm wrong), and taken steps to address this issue, doesn't it stand to reason that the number of failures in the current generation should be miniscule?
Sometimes you remind me of the Honda fanatics crowing about Toyota's sludge problem, years after the problem was addressed.
Great response though.
My take? Hey, if you are THAT anti Honda or that fearful, you should buy something else!
Sometime people here can't speak poorly of their Ody for fear it Might hurt their resale value, it has been mentioned before, I believe that person "OWNS" an Ody.
Have anything suggestions that might actually help the owner of an Ody that is experiencing trany problems? You are a good cheerleader for Ody, what a help you are to these poor soles having problems.
Yes. And you keep making sweeping generalities about the reliability of Honda transmissions. All I am pointing out is that you have no factual basis to rest your claims on. Thanks for pointing that out.
Cheerleader for Ody? Well, if poking holes in your arguments is "cheerleading" then 'rah rah rah'.
As far as the owner of the Odyssey with multiple transmission problems: has a determination been made, by either the dealer or an independent shop, regarding the cause of the failures? Hasn't Honda extended the warranty on these transmissions to 100k miles? If so, have the issue resolved and SELL. For your own peace of mind, you may want to look at Toyota. The Sienna is an excellent minivan in it's own right and SHOULD be very reliable.
Just out of curiousity, do you (just4fun2) own an Odyssey? Or is it just your altruistic nature to devote ALL of your posts to a forum devoted to problems and solutions for a vehicle you do not own?
The Owners of Odys with problems will be so greatful that want to chase away someone that wants to help them.
This is a problems and solution board. What are you doing here if you don't have any problems? Or would you like to tell us about them?
I as a question about Torque converts in a prior post. I guess you great knowledge doesn't lead in that direction.
In the future, Scoll. I don't think you know the answers to any of my questions.
Total 1999-2004 Odyssey unit sales are 797,121.
Wind Noise at high speeds - Due to cross bars. '
Wind noise at front of windshield - Misadjusted trim piece, apparently fixed.
Transmissions - Is this a current problem or is it limited to 99 - 00. Not sure I am hearing much on recent models like 03-04s.
Vibration after alignment and balance. "Road Force balance" whatever that is may fix it, no reports lately.
Seats uncomfortable - This appears to be the major problem left. Have yet to hear any definition of if it is leather or cloth only; LX, EX; EX-L, or Touring. Height and weight of person do not seem to matter. (May put Pilot seats in?). No status on fix at any level other than some have had seats successfully redone.
Can anybody provide better updates and status? It looks like if the seats issue could be resolved, the major issues would be fixed.
Thus the total = 335,353
'02 - '04 used the 5spd tranny with the 240 hp version of the 3.5 egnine.
With the availability of the '02 data, that would yield 461,768
Steve
My point was and remains...if someone is THAT worried about the remote possibility of a problem it may be just better to buy a different car.
" I would never purchase a V6 Honda vehicle"
Feeling the way you do, you probably shouldn't.
This was from the announcement affecting the 4spd unit used in the '99 - '01 Ody:
"October 2002 Automatic Transmission Warranty Extension
Dear Accord, Odyssey and Prelude Owners:
American Honda is announcing a warranty extension for the automatic transmission on all 2000-01 Accords, Odysseys, and Preludes. The automatic transmission and torque converter are now covered for a total of 7 years or 100,000 miles, whichever occurs first, from the date of original sale. We are providing this warranty extension because a higher than normal number of automatic transmissions in certain vehicles may have problems due to defects in material or workmanship beyond the 3-year, 36,000-mile new vehicle limited warranty."
I don't know this for sure, but from various reading it sounds like a manufacturing tolerance issue that eventually leads to shaft play and accelerated wear. Others have reported that at a later date some '99's were included, but again, I don't know if this was broadly applied, or on a case by case basis.
From the May 28th 2004 edition of "CanadianDriver":
"Washington, D.C. - Honda is recalling approximately 600,000 Odyssey minivans, Pilot SUVs, and Acura MDX SUVs, model years 2001-2004, to inspect the automatic transmission for possible wear or damage. The company says certain operating conditions can result in heat build-up between the countershaft and secondary shaft second gears in the automatic transmission, eventually leading to gear tooth chipping or gear breakage. Gear failure could result in transmission lockup, increasing the risk of a crash. On vehicles with 15,000 miles or less, the dealer will update the transmission with a revision to the oil cooler return line to increase lubrication to the second gear. On vehicles with more than 15,000 miles, the dealer will inspect the transmission to identify gears that have already experienced discoloration due to overheating. If discoloration exists, the transmission will be replaced. If discoloration is not present, the dealer will install the change to the oil cooler return line."
So it is clear that there are two very different and very separate situations affecting the transmission models. If you scan back thru this board, there has been a number of people stating that their 4spd units gave them problems. But again, this is a "problems" board, and the place where you would expect to hear people register their complaints. There are fewer complaints about the 5spd, but that might reflect that Honda stepped up to the problem sooner and prevented it from becoming a fiasco.
For the record, mine was replaced (well cooked) this past summer with 35k miles. I have asked a few local owners, but only know of one other person that needed replacement. Interestingly enough, they also own an '02 with slightly more miles, live just up the road from me and regularly climb the same steep grade hill.
Steve
If that is true, then that problem will negatively affect empirical quality data (not anecdotal data, I mean large statistical analyses) and Honda will no longer have that rep for quality, and fewer people will buy a Honda, and the situation self-corrects. If instead this is a statistically small problem, then for whatever reason the poor folks who do get a bad tranny will continue to try to get it fixed, while the vast majority of owners do fine and Honda maintains its quality rep. It is pretty straight forward.
10# instead of 21, guess that is in lbs. ft., not torqued tight enough and is allowing transmission fluid to get by the banjo seal. Someone messed up on the torque setting.
Tighten up the banjo bolt and leak should stop.
Since I don't own a Ody, this is what I think the dealer is talking about. Maybe Isell could ask someone from his team.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Things happen. They fixed it.
Just move on and enjoy your new Sienna!
Any new car can have an isolated problem. This is why they have warranties. They replaced the transmission and the car should be fine from now on.
Life is short...
Thanks!
A remanufactured transmission is the same as a new one. All wear items have ben replaced.
And, where does it end? what if a wheel bearing failed or a water pump started leaking? do you really think the entire car should be replaced?