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Honda Odyssey vs Dodge/Chrysler minivans
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If yes, the choice is obvious. If no, i.e. you demand more like some others and I, the choice is also obvious.
The choice is yours...
I didn't think I needed a power hatch either, until I had one, and from now on, every car of mine will have one. My 2005 DCX GC SXT was purchased off the lot and had power hatch. Living in Detroit, with messy winters etc....not having to touch the hatch to open or close is a huge benefit!!
I would also think of what $5000 savings would do in a 401 account or bank in 10 years time? And factor in the additional interest on the $5000 you might have to finance for 4-5 years!
Just kidding, but...
Chill out, people. I love a debate, but this is getting silly. Resorting to bad humor and poking-fun is kinda childish on both sides of the debate...
Everyone take a deep breath!
BTW the amount for people under 50 went from 14k to 15K for 2006 made the changes in my 401K today!! Everyone should max out if they can!! Enjoy! How would he finance and save it at the same time LOL
It may be what is needed graduate.
I agree though, the "bad humor"(the jipster being the lone ray of sunshine) and poking fun is getting intolerable.
Let's try this small exercise to gain a better understanding of what minivan ownership is all about. Ody people....list 3 things you like about the DCX minivan. Then 3 things you would like changed, or improved in your Ody van. DCX people same thing(3 things you like about Ody and 3 things you'd like changed or improved in your DCX van)
If you can complete this exercise without any sarcasm or underhanded compliments, then congratulations! You are not a Ody or DCX basher, flamer, malcontent,or any other of the negative imagery frequently thrown around in this topic of discussion.
It may be what is needed graduate.
I agree though, the "bad humor"(the jipster being the lone ray of sunshine) and poking fun is getting intolerable.
Let's try this small exercise to gain a better understanding of what minivan ownership is all about. Ody people....list 3 things you like about the DCX minivan. Then 3 things you would like changed, or improved in your Ody van. DCX people same thing(3 things you like about Ody and 3 things you'd like changed or improved in your DCX van)
If you can complete this exercise without any sarcasm or underhanded compliments, then congratulations! You are not a Ody or DCX basher, flamer, malcontent,or any other of the negative imagery frequently thrown around in this topic of discussion.
Here goes...!
Caravan pros:
Stow and Go
Distinctive American Styling (not bland)
Massive Rebates keep it from breaking the bank!
Odyssey rants:
Hard interior plastics
Premium Price
Standard Run-Flats on Touring model(should be a stand-alone option)
There. How did I do? I put many miles on our Odyssey, and loved it (2000 model). I'm an Ody lover!
thegrad
The 42TE was an option on the 3.0 and after 1999 was the only transmission available with any V6.
Both the 3.5 and 3.8 engines received some changes along the way, the biggest is reised cylinder heads on the 3.5 and different crankshafts and connecting rods on both (from externally balanced to internally balanced). Check any engine swapping guide and you'll see the differences.
More fun to drive? That's subjective.
Other than that, I agree with what you said.
I was counting on Uncle Sam to totally provide for me!!! That way I can buy expensive Hondas with my own money - right?
Simple....he's saving at least $5,000 over price of Ody. If he purchased the Ody, it'd be $5,000 less in his pocket and the interest on financing that $5,000!!
Take the $5,000 additional cost and interest (say for 5 years) over 10 years.
And to quibble even further.....lets' consider the additional sales tax on that $5,000 he's not paying? There's potentially lower insurance costs for a lower priced vehicle?
Which way to the dementia board?
I think it depends what your going to do with your minivan. If your just hauling people around I think the Ody would be a great choice, if your willing to spend the thousands more to get the extra's that the Ody offers, like the VSC and five speed tranny.
On the other hand, if you have a bunch of kids and are hauling things like bikes, sports equipment, stroller, stuff for home improvement,etc., the Dodge/Chryslers with stow and go might suit you better. I think you need to decide what you'll use it for first and what features are more important to you for the price.
On the other hand, if you have a bunch of kids and are hauling things like bikes, sports equipment, stroller, stuff for home improvement,etc., the Dodge/Chryslers with stow and go might suit you better. I think you need to decide what you'll use it for first and what features are more important to you for the price.
Ladies and gentlemen, we have a DCX lover/non-basher of other makes! (APPLAUSE ENSUES)
I agree, that the decision comes down to what the features and overall van is worth to you. If you look at it as a Home Depot hauler, then the car with Stow and Go is the best choice for you, most likely. If you want your van to gandle and accelerate like a sedan with extra room, the Odyssey is your choice.
We chose the Odyssey to replace our 1993 Accord (this was in 2000). My mom loved her Accord, and didn't want to give up the driving experience just to get two extra seats, so the Odyssey was definitely the better choice for her.
Three things to improve my 02 T&C LX: More comfortable driver's seat, 5 speed AT, 2nd row seats move fore and aft to include the "Plus One" seat of Odyssey in the 2nd row.
Random thought of the day?
I'm just struggling to see where this came from. Just pointing out that you didn't like your 79 Honda? That doesen't quite tie in here, in my opinion, but maybe I missed something. We are all allowed a little randomness.
YES!
1. That damn flip up center thing. Boy I'd love a huge center console!
2. No telescopic steering wheel
3. Only a few replacement tires available in the original size.
DCX things I like: Regardless of weather I'd use them
1. Stow and go!
2. Selling price
3. Many available options
4. lighted signals when sliding doors open
5. Roof storage system
6. Different models(SWB LWB)for different price points
7. Batterey saver
I;m sure theres more just a little tired this morning
What about the rest of you guys? Just can't get yourself to say something nice about the competition? It's very easy you know. Socalawd was "tired"...and he STILL came up with 7 things he liked about DCX. Just think what he could have come up with if he hadn't stayed up all night watching those bowl games and partying. :sick:
Come on nonparticipators...this little test can be very benefical to those trying to decide which way to go....Ody or DCX. As the bayou dude said in "The Waterboy"..."YOU CAN DO IT"
Yep went to see tha KINGs last night they won in overtime. Ready for another year of spirited debate! :shades:
Standard Safety: side air bags/VSC
More and better designed cupholders
3rd row access/side door design is vertical vs. angled in DCX
Better standard instrument cluster/lighting
Nicer door trim
Double glove box
9" LCD for RES models
6-disc changer on EX+ models
T&C Touring improvements:
Better cross wind resistance
2nd/3rd row cupholders
Better navigation unit
Heated 2nd row seats like Pacifica
less brake dust
easier access to 2nd row storage (improved for 2006)
HID headlamps
The bland interior.
No lights in glove box
No light around ignition
No GPS
No standard side airbags
Four speed tranny
Ody,
Very nice interior
Very nice GPS
Standard side airbags
Five speed tranny
VSC
(I was surprised how well the University of Utah Utes football team played in their bowl game...AND am anxious to see how well Reggie Bush plays in the Rose Bowl.
The last and largest first generation hemis from Chrysler, the 392, was issued in the 1959 Chrysler Imperial. From the 1960 through '63 model years Chrysler did not put a hemi of any kind in a North American production car.
The famous 426, second generation Hemi was first available as a limited quantity race option in 1964 B-bodied Plymouths and Dodges (In 1964 the "B" body Savoy & Fury I, II, and IIIs was the largest car platform from Plymouth. The Polara, Coronet 440 and 500 were the Dodge "B" bodies.)
The 426 Hemi became available in production B-bodied Plymouths and Dodges from 1966 to 1971 model years. Parts from the first and second generation hemis are not interchangeable.
What you may have thinking about -- and this is a very common and understandable mistake -- is the 426 wedge motor. Chrysler replaced the 392 in 1960 with the 413 wedge, and in '63 the 426 wedge replaced that motor. These engines are descendants of the 350, 361 and in the later evolving family of 383, 400, 440 cid engines.
In 1962 the largest engine in any Chrysler product would have been the 413, however. I think it was Jan & Dean who did a song about the 413.
Dusty
For some, the Odyssey may be the best minivan...and they have no argument from me. :shades:
It was the Beach Boys who mentioned the 413.
The song was Shut Down.
" It happened on the strip where the road is wide..two cool shorts sitting side by side, a fuel injected Sting Ray and a 413...etc...
Many a 409 Chevy got shut down by a 413!
But if I never get in any accident in with this vehicle in the next 1.5 years (and I haven't in my 15 years of driving), then side air bags are a waste. The type of real world accident (not specific engineered tests) that would benefit from side curtain air bags has a very small chance of occurring. Everything in life has risk/reward trade offs.
I wanted a small car payment for my family vehicle in order to soften the hit when we move this summer to a larger/more costly house for my family. There is no way I could get any Ody 18k mile/yr lease for anywhere near our cost.
Though it would have been pretty cool for you to have purchased the Ody. Then you could have come to this discussion and debate yourself on the pros and cons of each vehicle.
Ody hans, "No DCX hans...the Ody has more comfortable seating and a quieter ride"
DCX hans, "You must be coo coo Ody hans...the DCX has more comfort and the windshield does not whistle like a choo choo train"
Just kidding. Enjoy your new van. :shades:
Which is also the reason I bought the Dodge. I really wanted the convenience of the Stow-n-Go.
The wife was a little upset I bought the minivan. She said "Your going to pay the extra cost of insuring it."(Over what I was paying on our truck that I traded in for it) She and I were both surprised to learn that the insurance was cheaper than it was on her Honda Civic or my truck.
My brother parked his minivan in my sister's driveway when we took our trip to Europe. She lives just two blocks away, in a retirement community. It was stolen on the second day we were gone. (Police found it a week later.) It had about 1,700.00 worth of damage. Some of it was stolen parts. The funny thing about it, is that my brother lives in the same retirement community and has parked his in his driveway for years and never had any problems with it being taken.
Of course we know that Civics are wanted more than minivans.
Whoever is paying lots more is likely enabling the rich lifestyle of his/her insurance company/agent!
My price I listed above is with State Farm, $500 deductible. Been with them for 18 years, no complaints. Not many claims either. Small cars are expensive to insure. My '00 VW Jetta diesel is very high. Even being 5 years old and only costing $16,000 new, it is currently only $20 less per year than my Ody. And it's cheaper now than it's ever been.
I just bought a 2006 Odyssey EX-L. I would have loved to buy a Town and Country to go along with my Pacifica, Intrepid and 69 LeBaron. Saving a few thousand dollars (very debatable how many) could not convince me. The Odyssey is just a better vehicle.
I am not sure why this is in this thread, but:
1) The 413 came out in 1959.
2) The 426 wedge did not repalce the 413, but was sold in addition to it. The 426 Max Wedge replaced the 413 Max wedge.
3) The 440 replaced the 413 and the 426 wedge in 1966.
In our town, we had a mouthy punk with a 409 Impala. He thought he was hot stuff until he made the mistake of taking on a "hillbilly" 'Dodge with a 413.
Made that 409 look like a six cylinder! I was there.
I know...back on topic...
One of our sons had a deer encounter 3 years ago with his car and Erie repaired the $3500 damage quickly. Same fast repair payment service by Erie when the pizza delivery guy decided to deliver the pizza to our home packaged AC/Heat unit instead of our front door 8 years ago. His car rolled down our inclined driveway and got intimate with the packaged unit to the tune of a $4000 new replacement.
A friend of mine, moving from CA to MI for job is seeing his insurance double!
It's all a SCAM!!!
Hmmmm....Crappy weather, crappy roads, and high insurance....why do I stay
Sounds like it. But rates are based on regions where there are more statistical risks due to thefts, accidents, repair costs, other claims, etc.
The annual insurance premiums on our M-B SL500 and BMW 550i are under $900 for each. Vehicle's value and cost to repair are signifciant contributors, besides driver's records.
But then every kid and their visiting friends in my block has asked me when am I selling the accord (it's a stick) and told me the stuff they will do to the car. I eventually sold it to a 40 yr old guy who commutes 80 miles to work everyday(it gets 35mpg on the hwy).
Happy New Year...and keep up the good work. :shades: