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Honda Odyssey vs Dodge/Chrysler minivans



  • andrewtran71andrewtran71 Posts: 840
    Thank you, Lewis.
    I will disagree with a lot of people, but never disrespect.

    Yes, Tom, I would never disrespect anyone. Perhaps when I was younger and even more ignorant than now, I might never disrepected some people. But the older I get, the more I realize that I should never disrespect anyone.

    I'll be completely honest. If Chrysler owned qualitly cars like Toyota/Lexus or Honda/Acura, I would prefer to buy Chrysler. I do. I would much rather buy an "American" name brand, and I think most of us would too.
    But the truth hurts sometimes.
    For some reasons, the "American" cars just don't stand up to the quality of Toyota or Honda.

    If I'm paying $30K, I expect a reliable, high quality product, like the Odyssey.
    The D/C products have had such bad reliable records that even the KIA SEDONA ranks higher in Consumer Reports in terms of reliability than D/C.
  • uga91uga91 Metro AtlantaPosts: 1,065
    No more kids for us. Unless Divine Intervention steps in, of course!

    As far as hauling something big--I just don't have the need. I have removed both rows one time (about 16 months ago) to haul a breakfast room table--that's it. I removed the rear bench one other time to haul a chair. Maybe I'm wierd, but I don't haul many things that require the removal of the bench. So, no, if the folding bench is a one piece bench, the convenience would not be worth it to me. A split folding bench? Sure. But, what are the chances that Chrysler will do that?
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    Pay attention, don't let Andrew get you side-tracked on NAV in here :-)

    steve_ Jul 1, 2003 2:55am

    I don't think fold flat seats have to be uncomfortable by definition, but I'm not going to have to be the one sitting back there either. Nissan is getting a fold flat second and third row, so it'll be interesting to see real world reactions to them. None will split, afaik.

    Steve, Host
  • fezofezo Manahawkin, NJPosts: 10,330
    You'd be amazed how often you'd find your self using that if you had it.

    I've got 4 kids so if we're going somehere as a family the seats are up, but a big store trip, Homoe Depot, etc that flip seat is great.

    Of course the other thing is when the seat is up it creates a nice deep well - lots of storage room withthe seat up!
    2013 Mazda 5 Grand Touring, 2010 Toyota Prius IV. 2007 Toyota Camry XLE, 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999 Mazda Miata
  • larryintnlarryintn Posts: 103
    The reason we did not want a fold flat seat was road noise. The well tends to increase road noise which made our 2002 GC one of the quietest in the group we considered.

    Everyone has different priorities.
  • tomtomtomtomtomtom Posts: 491
    "Most people with "enough" money will buy something other than from the "Big 3"--I mean if money is no object. "

    I don't know the meaning of "enough" money but according to Mr. Andrew, most people who bought a car from the "Big 3" must be poor...
  • uga91uga91 Metro AtlantaPosts: 1,065
    If it is a solid seat, it is not something that appeals to me. I like my split folding/split removeable bench. If the fold flat seat is split folding, then I'd be in business.
  • tomtomtomtomtomtom Posts: 491
    I think some people do prefer the styling of the DC Van over the Ody. Or features that DC Vans have and the Ody don't.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 8,862
    Absolutely true. Personally I like the wedge shape of the Ody over the rounder style of the DC and Honda's Magic Seat. I did like the DC's more quiet interior and the tri zone HVAC as well as the DC red. I appreciated my Honda experiences and the greater exclusivity of the Ody at the time.

    In the end - it's what appeals to you.
  • uga91uga91 Metro AtlantaPosts: 1,065
    I like the way the Odyssey looks. My wife does not. We have a Chrysler. That's the way it goes around here, I guess.
  • uga91uga91 Metro AtlantaPosts: 1,065
    I see nothing wrong with either. We bought a Chrysler because of the looks, yes, but because of the discounts offered by Chrysler and the previous good experience we had with our Chrysler dealer. My brother, OTOH, is probably a very typical Odyssey owner. He did not buy an Odyssey because he tested out all the choices and decided the Honda gave the best value and feature content for the money. He bought an Odyssey because since he and his wife graduated from college, they have bought nothing but Hondas. They each had Civics, now they have an Accord and an Odyssey. I think a lot of Odyssey owners are like this. They think Hondas are the best and another brand won't even be considered. If that's the way you are, then fine by me--to each his own.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 8,862
    "They think Hondas are the best and another brand won't even be considered."

    That is brand loyalty and is the holy grail of companies no matter the product. It explains why my FIL has owned 1 Elite, 1 Mustang, 1 Taurus, 3 Crown Vics, and 1 Windstar since sometime in the late 70's. He won't even look at another brand - not even within the Ford family. It explains why people are Pepsi or Coke drinkers (nothing explains Dr. Pepper drinkers IMHO) and why I will only buy Q-Tips and Hebrew National franks.
  • uga91uga91 Metro AtlantaPosts: 1,065
    You are absolutely correct. I have never owned a Dodge or Chrysler car, but our current van is our 3rd Chrysler (ok, the first was a Dodge). The last couple of times we got a new van, I looked at others, but bought the Chrysler. We also have a Saturn--it is our 3rd Saturn as well. But, are not stuck on these two brands only like some Honda owners are. Over the last 12 years, I've had cars from 5 other companies as well. But, I am loyal to some things--like Coca Cola.
  • hayneldanhayneldan Posts: 657
    I wonder if the cronic compainers on this board have ever had a bad meal or an appliance that didn't work right(be it made in the US or Asia). I have, and I've been able to deal with it. Some posters post like the only bad experience they have had is with one of the brands in this thread. If so, they are very lucky to have had no problems with Friends, School, Relatives, Jobs, Children, Wives or Husbands, any Homes, Food or Appliances, Except for the ONE van they choose to rag on even though it's a several year old model.I am certain that each of the manufacturers try to improve their products from year to year while trying to hold the line on price. Every employee US, Canadian and Asian would like to get a raise every year. How would the CC handle this if they were the CEO of that company? Steve, I'm trying not to flame anyone,but,the CC's are not getting the big picture.
  • Huh? What are you talking about? Take a Xanax man....

    I am a CC (Chrylser Complainer!) only because I have had a very, very bad experience with a Chrysler Van and have found, from both data and anecdotal reports, that my experience is fairly common for DC van owners.

    While the van is an older model now (1996), it started out bad with a new head gasket a 500 miles and has continued to be bad throughout my ownership of the van.

    I wish someone had warned me about the very poor quality of DC vans before I purchased mine!

    As for other problems--see my posts under "Daughters vs. Sons--Which are better?"
  • impact01impact01 Posts: 95
    Its not the people per se. Magazines like consumer reports time and again bad mouths the so called american brands based on their data.
    For those who've had bad experiences with the domestics, this only reinforces their opinion.

    As a owner of a reasonably reliable T&C at 90000 miles (has cost less to maintain than the Toyota I have), I also think Chrysler dropped the ball with their latest 01 redesign. T&C Limited was (note "was", not anymore, that title goes to 04 Sienna Limited IMO) the most luxurious van, but guess what, the second row seats are still FIXED!!!. A Ody EX-L is way too plain for my tastes, but the seats move fore and aft. At this stage this is a must for me. On top of it, things about the Ody that are more attractive are (1) Turning Radius (2) 5 Speed Tranny and (3) longer life coolant etc. A BIG negative IMO for the ODY is that, it really rides rough and noisy too, compared to the T&C. Added with the Honda reputation for reliability, I was willing to put up with the lack of comfort!. Thank God, 04 Sienna is here with all the features and comfort too! I wish Chrysler would get rid of some of the gimmicky features like the white faced gauges, jewelled tail lights (LOL) etc and concentrate on distinctive quality features such as their power sliders, lift gate etc. For a van that is so smooth with upscale interior, they certainly could do better than what they're doing now.
  • lfikelfike Posts: 38
    about the above post....Stinkin Dell computer froze up.
    Bet it wouldn't have done that if it had been a
    Honda/Dell computer!

    If it had been a Chrysler/Dell ....well...It probably wouldn't have started period!

    You guys need to relax.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    I just finished a Hebrew National hotdog for lunch :-) When I get fountain drinks I stick to my Diet Cokes, but I do tend to put an inch of Dr. Pepper in there.

    I personally think the DC vans look better than most any other van out there. My brother's Caravan is certainly a comfortable cruiser and it's been reliable. My '89 Voyager was great on trips (did one 12,000 miler in it), but it wasn't as reliable as it should have been.

    I only have 30 minutes in an Odyssey and I thought it offered a lot of bang for the buck. My wife doesn't care for them and thinks she'd get cramped riding shotgun on our road trips in one, but that's based on the showroom, not real life.

    Different strokes. It does sound like the Odyssey will get some revamping to make it "spiffier", at least at home: Honda on a roll with US-market SUVs, needs new models in Japan (

    Steve, Host
  • andrewtran71andrewtran71 Posts: 840
    Just kidding :-)
    The Odyssey looks the best, especially with chrome fender trims and chrome rocker panels and wood trims :-)
    But really, though, we all have different tastes.

    Now as far as the statement "most people who buy the Big 3 are poor", that did not come from me.
    But I do think in general that most people who buy a D/C van do not buy a T&C Limited. They buy vans that cost about $16-18K, and we know the Odyssey or Sienna vans are not under $24K.
  • uga91uga91 Metro AtlantaPosts: 1,065
    Actually, Kia's sales of its Sedona are up 44% so far this year. Honda Odyssey sales are up about 1% and DC sales are down about 5% so far. Somebody must like the way Sedona looks. Of course, DC still outsells Honda, Kia, Mazda, and Ford combined--with room to spare. Also, you are not going to buy a Town & Country or Grand Caravan for the $16-$18k figure you mention. Those start (read: stripped) around $20k and quickly move up from there. Caravans and Voyagers, yes; Town & Country and Grand Caravans, no way. Local dealers here (Atlanta) advertise Odyssey LX for about $22,500 and EX for about $24,500.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    I think people like the looks of that Sedona warranty a lot!

    Steve, Host
  • tomtomtomtomtomtom Posts: 491
    "Most people with "enough" money will buy something other than from the "Big 3"

    Ok, we DC Vans owners are not poor just didn't have "enough" money to buy an Ody...

    When money is no object people don't care if the car can last 10 years or not because when money is no oject they can change car every year.

    By the way, do you know why some people prefer a Corvette instead of a Boxster?
  • lfikelfike Posts: 38
    pre 67 corvette, I agree. Thereafter...I'd go with the Boxster anyday.
    Tom I notice you drive a Ford. DO you also own a DC?
    My better half drives a 2003 Odyssey. I ordered a cheap Ford Ranger (2003)...I couldn't pass it up...I prefer a Toyota or to wait for the Honda truck next year but my pocketbook says "watch it buddy!" know what I mean?
    Ford is offering $3000 back...they will match the 1,000 I put down and being a military type additional 750!= 4750 in rebates!!!!
    I also qualify for the Ford x plan which sales them at or close to invoice....and you wonder why there is no resale in domestics? But hey...I'll just run this truck into the ground at this price...I just hope it this price it's worth the gamble.
    I saw in a previous post where one person said they wouldn't buy the Odyssey because of the magic seat??????????????????????????????????????
    They prefer to "remove their seats" when they need to??? I guess we all do different things for exercise.
    Last..tomtomtom ....yea I know I'm long winded....I still think your taking Andrew the wrong way...He's a class guy that simply likes/loves the Odyssey!...We love ours too.
    Steve....I agree...that warranty from Kia is a really big selling point! question is what happens down the road should the vans start falling apart and the company can no longer afford to fix them and they go out of business....
    That's one of the few things that scare me about the Korean makers...though it can happen to any of them.
  • uga91uga91 Metro AtlantaPosts: 1,065
    Steve--I agree that the warranty has been a big selling tool. However, the warranty has been around as long as the van has. Therefore, if sales are up 44% over last year, then it must be more than the warranty selling them--because the folks who bought last year got the same warranty.

    lfike--You must be referring to me and not wanting the fold away seat and preferring to remove the seat when I need room. Either I did not explain myself fully or you misunderstood. I said I have 3 kids. I use the rear seat every day. I always need my rear seat. It is rare when I need to remove it. My point was that a single piece--i.e, fold all of it or fold none of it--is worthless to me as I will need some rear seat. My Chrysler has the split folding/split removable rear bench. Meaning on trips, I can remove half of my seat for more storage and have half of the seat for seating a child. A wholly fold away seat is worthless to ME. Now, if I could fold away half of the seat, then fine--I would love it. Bring it on. I believe the new Sienna has this. Chrysler vans in 2004 will have fold away third rows. If it is not split folding, then it will be useless to me and I would not want the van--just as I don't want the Odyssey the way the seat is now. It's not what I do for exercise.

    Finally, I'm not here to defend Kia; but, you obviously know nothing about them. They are going nowhere. Each of the last few years have been new record sales years. Through May 2003, Kia had sold over 93,000 vehicles. Compare that to this time last year when they only sold about 82,000 vehicles and you will see they are stronger than ever when most automakers are struggling to stay even. Sales of Sedona are up 44%, sales of Odyssey are up 1%, sales of Sienna are down slightly and sales of DC brand vans are down about 5%. Add that the 2004 Sportage will be based on the award-winning Elantra and the next Spectra will also be based on the Elantra and quality of the whole line should go up a good deal. But enough about Kia.
  • lfikelfike Posts: 38
    uga91 said about the magic seat:
    I guess Honda has fooled enough people into thinking it is a good feature, though.

    Fooled enough people?

    you said:
    Finally, I'm not here to defend Kia; but, you obviously know nothing about them. They are going nowhere.

    "They are going nowhere" said that, not me!

    Maybe the problem we have here is that you don't re-read your post prior to posting and it confuses some of us. I've done that!

    Your comment above concerning the "split seat" is now understood...I do appreciate your explaining that one.
    I don't think Honda was fooling anyone with their magic seat.....if so, why are all of the auto makers following and expanding on the great idea?

    I also think that Edmunds rating the Sedona as a runner up to the Odyssey has also helped their sales. I bet if you took a look at how many "hits" Edmunds takes on it's site it has to be in the quadzillions! How many hits do they receive a month Steve?
    A good while ago on TV a executive from GM was asked who they feared the most concerning competition from Toyota and Honda...his reply was: "neither, we fear Hyundai".
    Hyundai is really taking a toll on the 8k - 12k price range.

    Who would you say has the highest resale value of those mentioned above.
  • tomtomtomtomtomtom Posts: 491
    Yes, I had a 1990 Lebaron a few years ago that reached 120K without any problem but sold it before I moved to CA and now I have a 2001 T&C Ltd.
  • tomtomtomtomtomtom Posts: 491
    I agree with uga91, a bench magic seat is useless if you need to carry 5 people all the time. I think the reason why magic seat is so popular is that a lot of people don't really need the magic seat to carry people. That's other reason why SUV is taking away minivan's overall sales.
  • uga91uga91 Metro AtlantaPosts: 1,065
    [you said:
    Finally, I'm not here to defend Kia; but, you obviously know nothing about them. They are going nowhere.

    "They are going nowhere" said that, not me!]

    You're right. What I should have said was "Kia is not going away" instead of "going nowhere." Sorry.

     [don't think Honda was fooling anyone with their magic seat.....if so, why are all of the auto makers following and expanding on the great idea]

    Honda did not invent this feature. Look at any full size GM station wagon of the 1970's and you will find a magic folding rear seat that disappears into the floor.
  • lfikelfike Posts: 38
    I didn't say Honda invented it! I was around in those days...I for one know they were in the station wagons of yesteryear (I sat on them!).
    I must say that Honda made it more comfortable and safer.

    Well everyone,,,,tis my last post. God Bless everyone here.

  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    Last I heard we were running around 2 million unique visitors a month around here. Don't know how that translates into "hits." More interesting though, is that our visitors spend lots more time here than elsewhere.

    Good point about the Sedona, Uga91. Pricing/bang for the buck has to be moving Kia's sales too. 44% sales growth is huge and Kia must be giving the other van manufacturers heartburn.

    Steve, Host
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