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I checked the online price for the glass and it wasn't much less, around $1600.
My advice to all is to protect that rear glass from any harm.
I had a guy hit my 94 Camaro and the cost to replace the windshield at the time was a similar price. Had a 95 Camaro that had the windshield busted out by a falling limb, cost just over $400 to replace. A few years later and 1/5 the cost. Yow.
The glass in our TB's is attached to that stupid painted plastic part of the roof so I would guess the whole assembly would also have to be replaced? with matching paint?
This is for behind the hub-cap style lock. Local tire shop should carry. retails for $18.00 to $20.00 per set.
Two weeks ago,I took it to the dealer to address a shifting problem from 1 to 2 and a surge at highway speeds. The service manager stated the vehicle needed several updates on the PCM. The vehicle had been in four earlier times for poor gas mileage, engine power loss, etc., and each time they loaded new PCM codes.
This time, it worked. The power is better, the gas mileage is slightly better; however, the display for average mpg has gone crazy. Originally, the difference between the display avg. mpg and actual mpg was about .5 mpg. Now it is off by 1.6 mpg. It made me think the mileage had really improved until I used my calculator to verify.
Has anyone else had new PCM codes loaded that did this? It is a step backwards. GM's new codes appear to overstate mpg to make the owner more satisfied. What a lousy way to handle legitimate complaints about poor gas mileage. Let me know if you have this problem and if you had it corrected.
I have noticed that if you drive 60-65 on interstate versus, 70-75, you'll get better Fuel economy, along with not hammering on the gas at green lights. So I usually get 350 Miles out of a tank, takes 18 gallons to fill up.
re DIC errors, how many miles are on your car, what are your driving habits? %city etc...
Elevatorguy
Regarding mileage: I drive mostly on the freeway and can't manage any better than 17.5-18.5 mpg. Even though I've got 26K on my '02 Envoy XL SLT it hasn't been on a trip yet to confirm higher mileage is possible but 19-20 mpg constant highway driving seems achievable. My DIC is never right, being 5-7% optimistic, but its a good indicator of expected mileage.
Happy Motoring,
Chris
If anyone does find a fix for this, I would be interested in hearing about it.
I'd rather the DIC be accurate irregardless of what the ugly truth might be.
Took a trip this weekend from Rochester NY to NW Pennsylvania with about 1700 lbs in tow.
It pulls the trailer literally like it is not there on the open roads. Still able to pass with no need for extraordinary distances, even driving the rolling hills of the Allegany Mnts.
The most satisfying experience however came when driving the unpaved "Forest Roads" of the National Forest. The truck is smooth as glass on dirt and gravel roads even pulling the trailer.
Never had the sense of less then complete sure footedness even on steep declines with curves.
Brakes never fade and engine never struggles.
My only disappointment is all the dust that settled in the door jambs. I'll take credit for that however.
BTW: Does this count as off road use???
No, but it sure sounds like you enjoyed your ride immensely!
tidester, host
I'm curious to know if there is a tangible performance improvement.
tidester, host
Later
Vince
What is your tire pressure?
If you do mostly highway, you should be getting 20-22 MPG easily, do you have a 4.10 rear-end?
2003 TB 3.42 4X4, LS
"TSB 02-09-40-005A
Subject:Availability of Rear Seat Shoulder Belt Comfort Guides
Models:
2003 Buick Century, Regal
2003 Pontiac Grand Prix
2003 Cadillac Escalade, Escalade EXT
2003 Chevrolet Avalanche, Silverado Extended Cab, Suburban,
Tahoe, TrailBlazer EXT
2003 GMC Envoy XL, Sierra Extended Cab, Yukon, Yukon XL
Some early 2003 production vehicles were manufactured without rear seat shoulder belt comfort guides. This comfort guide is a plastic guide attached to a short elastic tether that positions the shoulder belt away from the neck of short occupants, whether children or adults. A rear seat shoulder belt comfort guide may help improve the comfort of the shoulder portion of the safety belt for occupants sitting in the rear outboard seating positions.
While these vehicles comply with all Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards, some customers may request to have these comfort guides installed on their vehicle. Comfort guides are currently available from GMSPO
Upon customer request, dealers are authorized to install these rear seat shoulder belt comfort guides at no cost to the customers."
Just please move over when you see me coming up from behind you in the fast lane!
This has been an issue across all model lines using the side post delco batteries.
Oh well, maybe it will make the resale value higher if the buyer does not know about the error.
Mine seems to be off by 1.5-2 mpg where it used to be off by .5
With mixed hwy and city, I get about 17 avg. Sometimes better but never over 19 even with all freeway at ~75mph.
I use the cheapest gas I can since they all come out of the same pipeline anyway and I don't care to pay for the other station's advertizing budget. If we all voted with our pocketbooks and bought the cheapest gas around, maybe the rip-off stations would have to lower their prices. Around here there is a 15% difference in price. That saves me $200 a year!
Get it to the dealer right away as this problem will leave you stranded on the side of the road when the battery post break off!!
The dealer did a very poor job of cleaning the acid off. Spent an hour with baking soda and water cleaning up the mess. To answer you question the surface of my line are now corroded. I keep an eye on them for any problems, none so far. I does look like crap thought
Allen
Noticed the same thing on my 2 TBs. I got this from amazon (http://tinyurl.com/nfxf) and it cures the problem, stays on the belt which operates normally and almost matches my dark pewter interior.
Frank
My guess is they changed the algorithm they use to estimate gas usage. My bet is this is based on several sensors that are each weighted differently to get a fuel consumption rate. Depending on how this is done and averaging methods used, it can swing by quite a bit.
As for the gap, I did 5 tanks full to empty and using the trip number, hand calc'ed the MPG for each tank. I then compared it to the DIC AVG reading. It averaged out to a 1.73 MPG error. I did the same thing for the first 6 months of ownership and it was 0.5 off then. So, they definitely changed something.
I called Oldsmobile and a rep called the dealership and confirmed what I was told. Basically, they can't fix it and can give me no timeframe as to when a bulletin might be issued.
I'm pretty upset at the attitude of GM in this matter, which is "we agree you're vehicle has a serious problem that we can't fix, but you just have to put up with it until we figure out how to fix it." Whenever that is.
I did some checking today and could probably successfully sue for buy-back under my state's (VA) lemon law. The remedies are good, requiring total refund except for a small mileage deduction. However, I really like the truck otherwise, and it seems a shame that GM can't (or won't) find and fix the problem with the drivetrain.
The issue is not slight, and it is not something any reasonable person would put up with. The bumping and jerking feels like there is something mechanically wrong, as it the transmission or rear end were damaged.
Oldsmobile and my dealer made it clear to me that there is nothing further to discuss -- pretty much, either live with it or get a lawyer.
I guess I can either wait around for a fix, put up with it, or pursue my rights under the lemon law.
My highway mileage (all at 70 mph) is 19.7 and the DIC shows 21.3.
My 2002 TB LTZ has the 3.42 rear axle and just turned 20,000 miles.
By the way, I used Pennzoil 5w30 for 10,000 miles and then switched to Mobile 1. I check actual gas mileage between the two and there is less than .1 mpg difference in combined and/or highway mpg between the two. So much for claims.
I take the TB back to the dealer tomorrow to work on the 1-2 shifting and the DIC errors. Anyone want to give odds on if either will be corrected?
With this crude method I did a mile at 60 in about 61 seconds so it seemed pretty good.
It definately does not over inflate miles driven or else the calculator would verify the performance as well
We've had ours into the dealer 8 times, escalated all the way up the local management chain. TAC keeps telling dealer not to do anything. GM Customer Service upped our tranny warranty and considered the case closed. BBB arbitration (waste of time) agreed we had a problem that GM should fix, but they only do resolutions of "buy back" or "no buy back". Our problem isn't serious enough (in their opinion) for a buy back.
We may try another dealer, a lawyer, or a tree.
jr45 I had a similar problem. Eventually the truck would shift from fourth to second. Where is that red line anyway? Thats when they fixed it. Good thing I had 7,000 km left on the warranty. I'm not as mechanically inclined as some of you but The techy said the inside of the trany was scored heavily and that he added some extra bands to the new one? I now have a warranty for the new transmission. Excellent timing! How is it that your dealers jerk you around so much? I know where there is a good dealer but your trany might not make it here.
bradrx7, Thanks for the suggestion- I will get one. That should take care the edge of the belt rubbing against my neck anyway.
pepper50, a decent battery should last 4 years or so. After that you are on borrowed time. That is, unless you have a leaker.
In the past, before I got the TB, I have had two ACD side terminal batt's leak at the + terminal. They were both still functioning fine. Looking at the Trailblazer if the battery leaks, the acid will go straight down onto the power steering cooler metal lines! BAD design! There should be a plastic shield there to keep any battery acid leaks off and divert the leak to the ground.
Allen
I had the unfortunate experience of having the A/C blow hot air on a short 200 mile trip 2 months
later. I had it repaired - they knew exactly what it was (the cycling switch) 4 days
before leaving on a 2 week trip to Key West for a 3000 mile round trip. It worked perfectly for the whole trip in 95-100 degree humid weather.
I am hoping that GM replaced the original cycling
switches with a revamped version so this is not a reoccuring problem over the years.
My reasoning is:
A) Replacing a brake line can be a major pain. I wouldn't make somebody do that unless the brake line damage was more than just surface damage.
I haven't looked at the line, so maybe it's not such a big deal.
Also, a factor under our lemon law is whether the defect impairs the value of the vehicle. Clearly, the resale value of my truck is impaired. Who wants to buy a vehicle that feels like it has a serious mechanical problem in the transmission or rearend?
I wouldn't consider doing BBB arbitration. There is no reason for me to go to the trouble and expense of arbitration. Our lemon law does not require the consumer to arbitrate before pursuing a claim in court, and the remedies are much, much better than can be expected in arbitration.
To me it comes down to an ecomonic decision. I have to decide whether to keep a vehicle with an unrepairable defect or force GM to buy it ack. Makes me wonder whether GM will put up that much of fight given the documentation I have and their admission that the problem exists and that they can't repair it. Given that the law in my state suggests I can get almost all my money back, it's hard to decide to tough it out and keep the vehicle.
GM' attitude doesn't help either. It's disappointing how unconcerned they are at my problems. When I told the customer service rep at Olds that GM was leaving me no choice but to get an attorney, I could almost hear the shrug on the other end of the phone.
'02 Envoy XL SLT with 3.42 axle ratio.
Chris
plus the TB has more Horses, and Torque, gotta luv GM for that!!!